Bidwills rake it in with little in return

[NEZCardsfan]

You paid nothing unless you are an AZ tourist.

If you are...then THANKS!!!

If not, then stop staying in hotels and renting cars.

If you aren't doing any of that, then you can stop moaning because you didn't pay a dime.

I stayed in a hotel recently.....questionable hook up.

 

[D-Dogg]

I would not be surprised if it turned out to be more along the lines of the Apollo Stadium.

That is my thought, and I actually really do like that name.

 

[D-Dogg]

I stayed in a hotel recently.....questionable hook up.

Do elaborate.

 

[JeffGollin]

Hey, Bick! I don't care!

Whatever happened to the game on the field? We've got a game to compete in on Sunday. This, in itself, is a pretty full table for media folks to write about or fans to be concerned with.

I've had it with the sturm and drang concerning all the non-football issues. I'm sure all the ins and outs about naming rights, cap balances and revenue streams are really thrilling. But, since, I don't get any of the money, for me it's a non-issue. I just want to know what we're doing to get ready for Dunn, Crumpler, Vick & Co.

 

[Rivercard]

I stayed in a hotel recently.....questionable hook up.

The University of Phoenix Stadium brought to you in part by NEZ's love life.

 

[clif]

I agree completely, well said.

Does anyone think that Glendale is really going to get any less exposure, money, or notoriety with the stadium being named U of Phoenix as opposed to Toyota, Pink Taco, or even Pat Tillman Stadium? It is still located in Glendale, all the revenue steams it created are still there; all the development is still going on. Nothing has changed but the name. Bickley and MJ went on all morning about this but never had one guess on from Glendale to back them up. As a Cardinal fan everyone should be ecstatic that they got 7.7 mil a year for the naming rights. We should have been upset if they sold them for 3 mil a year or got no sponsorship at all.

I am sure it wasn’t the favorite name that Glendale would have wanted but you have to applaud the Bidwills for getting the most they could out of the deal.

PS. As Joe said the name is not finalized yet. It has to be approved by the TSA. I would not be surprised if it turned out to be more along the lines of the Apollo Stadium.

I agree. That was what I in a round about way was alluding to in the other thread. The name is dumb.. UofP is accused of questionable tactics, but no one can deny that they ponied up and the Bidwills got top dollar.

FWIW the people of the Apollo Group even stated that UofP was not even named after the city.. it is after the bird but you never even heard that from our news outlets.

 

[Scott MS]

I love the Cardinals, but the Bidwill's are not very good in handling public relations . . .

and the 11 syllable "University of Phoenix Stadium" has to go. Please Glendale, vote it down. Get somebody in there with a known brand -- Southwest Airlines, Toyota, etc.

 

[MadCardDisease]

and the 11 syllable "University of Phoenix Stadium" has to go. Please Glendale, vote it down. Get somebody in there with a known brand -- Southwest Airlines, Toyota, etc.

Sci-Fi Stadium.

That would work with the mother ship look if it.

 

[clif]

I love the Cardinals, but the Bidwill's are not very good in handling public relations . . .

Is it that though? I have really given this thought lately. Is it that they are so inept at media relations or is it the fact given their conservative approach that speculation just runs rampant?

You never hear the team really go out and combat the statements made about them. That is what really gets me. I for one would sure as hell defend my name as evidenced by my increased posting lately (shame on me) The Bidwills just don't seem to want to. You can look at it as an uncaring situation or you can say it is a sound business approach to not address blatant cheap shots. Either way it is frustrating for folks like me.

 

[Russ Smith]

I love the Cardinals, but the Bidwill's are not very good in handling public relations . . .

and the 11 syllable "University of Phoenix Stadium" has to go. Please Glendale, vote it down. Get somebody in there with a known brand -- Southwest Airlines, Toyota, etc.

University of Phoenix Stadium... or UPS.

 

[Scott MS]

Is it that though? I have really given this thought lately. Is it that they are so inept at media relations or is it the fact given their conservative approach that speculation just runs rampant?

You never hear the team really go out and combat the statements made about them. That is what really gets me. I for one would sure as hell defend my name as evidenced by my increased posting lately (shame on me) The Bidwills just don't seem to want to. You can look at it as an uncaring situation or you can say it is a sound business approach to not address blatant cheap shots. Either way it is frustrating for folks like me.

I think deep down within the Cardinals organization, there are still accountants who are making sure that the Cardinals don't lose money. Comments come from Dennis Green and others that maybe the purse string were a little tight back in March. I don't know the answer, but I know that the Cards are making money.

Unfortunately, given the family business nature of the Cardinals, if you had to prioritize their goals it would be 1) make money and 2) win the Super Bowl. They will always position the team to be profitable first and then try to field a winner within that situation. It's the result of being a family business.

Guys like Paul Allen, who is the 3rd richest American, has billions in net worth. He doesn't need to turn a profit on the Seahawks.

 

[clif]

I think deep down within the Cardinals organization, there are still accountants who are making sure that the Cardinals don't lose money. Comments come from Dennis Green and others that maybe the purse string were a little tight back in March. I don't know the answer, but I know that the Cards are making money.

Unfortunately, given the family business nature of the Cardinals, if you had to prioritize their goals it would be 1) make money and 2) win the Super Bowl. They will always position the team to be profitable first and then try to field a winner within that situation. It's the result of being a family business.

Guys like Paul Allen, who is the 3rd richest American, has billions in net worth. He doesn't need to turn a profit on the Seahawks.

I agree with that and that is what any competent business owner would do. Make sure you are making a profit. Protect the bottom line. Why can't reporters convey that? Why does it always have to be a bad thing? Making money is not wrong. Wanting to make more money is not a crime. Why would Bickley try to portray it that way?

With that said the cardinals have to do a better job of showing that they want to win along with making money. That is IMO the better story. Honestly once this naming rights thing is finally settled then IMO all the excuses will be finally put to bed. Then the team will finally be on an even playing field. Very close but not quite there yet.

 

[joeshmo]

In the one paragraph you say the Cards have already made their investment back because of the land deal and the naming rights. Then in the very next paragraph, you say the stadium naming rights haven't been approved yet.

Not very consistant.

Come on 40. You know exactly what I was at.

Here I will rewrite it for you,

"So although they used 125 Mill of their own money that will make up for 3-4 fold in land deals, naming rights, and NFL new stadium Kickbacks".

The land deal alone will more then make up for it.

I already know what you will say next. "But they havent made that money yet they are out 125 Mill until then". Well In the G3 NFL loan program they dont start making interest payments and interest is not accumulated on only half of that loan for another 2 years. Of which by that time a naming rights and completed land deals on their prime land that Glendale gave to them will have been completed. So as of today, the Cards havent paid a single cent to build this stadium because it is only a debt at this time. And when they do pay it they will be able to 3-4 fold.

Now this isn’t a stadium bash or anything of the likes so that isn’t my issue. I would still vote for it today and would even pay taxes for it as well.

I am also all for them making as much money as they possibly can. Just spend to the cap and give me a good product.

My issue is with people using what the Cards “WILL” (and pay from what they will make 3-4 fold from the naming rights, NFL new stadium kickbacks, loan incentives, and sweet land deals) for the stadium as an argument for not spending to the cap or part of their arguments for the “woe is the Bidwills why are people picking on them” arguments.

 

[Card Trader]

I seriously think some of you would only be happy if the Bidwills were as poor as you and were losing money. It's assinine.

For us it's entertainment, for them, it's a business....their goal is to make money.

 

[clif]

Come on 40. You know exactly what I was at.

Here I will rewrite it for you,

"So although they used 125 Mill of their own money that will make up for 3-4 fold in land deals, naming rights, and NFL new stadium Kickbacks".

The land deal alone will more then make up for it.

I already know what you will say next. "But they haven't made that money yet they are out 125 Mill until then". Well In the G NFL loan program they dont start making interest payments and interest is not accumulated on only half of that loan for another 2 years. Of which by that time a naming rights and completed land deals on their prime land that Glendale gave to them will have been completed. So as of today, the Cards havent paid a single cent to build this stadium because it is only a debt at this time. And when they do pay it they will be able to 3-4 fold.

Now this isn’t a stadium bash or anything of the likes so that isn’t my issue. I would still vote for it today and would even pay taxes for it as well.

I am also all for them making as much money as they possibly can. Just spend to the cap and give me a good product.

My issue is with people using what the Cards “WILL” (and pay from what they will make 3-4 fold from the naming rights, NFL new stadium kickbacks, loan incentives, and sweet land deals) for the stadium as an argument for not spending to the cap or part of their arguments for the “woe is the Bidwills why are people picking on them” arguments.

I'll respond to this. I don't know if it was directed at me but hey I'm bored. I personally don't feel I fall in the "woe is the Bidwills" camp.

I frankly think they are living off the hard work and investment of Charles Bidwill and kinda lucked out in that the NFL as a product has soared over the years.

I'm sure they still make money, but that has never been my issue. My stance on that is how much money and how does it compare to others in the industry. We all know they are not making the kinds of money that Washington or Dallas or New England makes because they are not in those markets. So it would only make sense that they cannot and have not been able to compete until they are able to draw additional revenue from other streams.

People keep referencing the statement that MB made about how he would spend money once they got their stadium. For all practical purposes he has done that. IE new uniforms, upgraded stadium design, signing Edge, drafting Matt Leinart... etc. The debate rages on whether or not they did enough. I would say that unfortunately based on results so far it does not appear that they did.

I really think that the question of whether or not MB and the Cards are truely going to spend the money won't be answered for another year. Once they have had at a chance to cash the 7.7 million check from UofP, secured a second year of a stadium sellout complete with all the signage and what not.. then will it be fair to say one way or the other.

 

[Scott MS]

I seriously think some of you would only be happy if the Bidwills were as poor as you and were losing money. It's assinine.

For us it's entertainment, for them, it's a business....their goal is to make money.

"Some of you" must mean Bickley. He's the one proclaiming a "raking" with little return. I don't have a problem with them making money, but the majority of the criticism by the press of the Bidwill's is focused on them turning a profit and not spending.

 

[Derm]

they haven't received a penny yet and the complaints are already rolling in...

"are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?..."