Boldin Trade Talks Heating Up

[Shogun]

How's this?

Cards get:
Suggs, LB
Clayton, WR
2010 1st and 6th

Ravens get:
Dansby
Boldin

I don't think we'll get a first and a 3rd from anyone. Dansby for Suggs is slightly a better deal for us, IMO. And Clayton allows us to keep a deep corps of WRs (Fitz, Breaston, Clayton, Doucet).

Terrible.

 

[Pariah]

Terrible.

Maybe...but I think a great deal more realistic then a lot of stuff thrown against the wall so far. JMHO

I wish we would have just taken a second for him in the 09 draft and been done with it.

 

[joeshmo]

How's this?

Cards get:
Suggs, LB
Clayton, WR
2010 1st and 6th

Ravens get:
Dansby
Boldin

I don't think we'll get a first and a 3rd from anyone. Dansby for Suggs is slightly a better deal for us, IMO. And Clayton allows us to keep a deep corps of WRs (Fitz, Breaston, Clayton, Doucet).

Honestly the Ravens are getting ripped off in that scenerio IMO. A pass rusher is worth more then a WR, Suggs > Boldin. And Clayton + 1st + 6th >>> Dansby.

 

[football karma]

its now truly the depths of the offseason

if the Ravens are having a hard time paying Suggs -- why would they have an easier time paying BOTH Boldin and Dansby? Of course -- this doesnt even begin to contemplate the thought that Dansby is almost the complete opposite of what the Ravens like in inside LBs -- physical, punishing guys rather than Dansby who tends toward the run and chase, finesse type LB.

And please dont say they would move him to OLB in the 3-4. Karlos is absolutely not the kind of guy you want walking up to the LOS and having to take a tackle on and hold the edge. He makes plays when he is uncovered and can flow to the ball --

 

[Arizona's Finest]

How's this?

Cards get:
Suggs, LB
Clayton, WR
2010 1st and 6th

Ravens get:
Dansby
Boldin

I don't think we'll get a first and a 3rd from anyone. Dansby for Suggs is slightly a better deal for us, IMO. And Clayton allows us to keep a deep corps of WRs (Fitz, Breaston, Clayton, Doucet).

Done.

But I would think thats too much money for B-more to throw down in one offseason. I think this is more palatable.

Boldin
2010 2nd round pick
Cody Brown

Suggs
Clayton

Baltimore gets another young pass rushing OLB who is cheap to throw in the mix with Kruger, they get Q of course, and also a 3rd rounder.

We get Suggs as our long term solution at OLB, the always injured Clayton, AND we keep Dansby for his contract year and have him ball out only to let him go next year.

 

[CardShark]

Done.

But I would think thats too much money for B-more to throw down in one offseason. I think this is more palatable.

Boldin
2010 2nd round pick
Cody Brown

Suggs
Clayton

Baltimore gets another young pass rushing OLB who is cheap to throw in the mix with Kruger, they get Q of course, and also a 3rd rounder.

We get Suggs as our long term solution at OLB, the always injured Clayton, AND we keep Dansby for his contract year and have him ball out only to let him go next year.

You're NUTS!

There is no way the Cards will give up Cody Brown and a 2nd round pick for Clayton. They don't even need another WR if they trade Boldin.

 

[Mulli]

Done.

But I would think thats too much money for B-more to throw down in one offseason. I think this is more palatable.

Boldin
2010 2nd round pick
Cody Brown

Suggs
Clayton

Baltimore gets another young pass rushing OLB who is cheap to throw in the mix with Kruger, they get Q of course, and also a 3rd rounder.

We get Suggs as our long term solution at OLB, the always injured Clayton, AND we keep Dansby for his contract year and have him ball out only to let him go next year.

 

[CardShark]

What's all of the talk about trading franchise tagged players? Am I wrong in the understanding that you can't trade a tagged player without signing him to a new contract in order to remove the tag? At that point, wouldn't the team signing him be on the hook for the signing bonus? Why would a team take that hit to trade a player for a player that wants his contract restructured? They don't have the cap room.

The Cards can't even remove the tag from Dansby since he was very quick in signing it. Their only hope is that he agrees to a long term contract. He already said he's looking to be a free agent next year in order to hit it big. The only hope the Cards have in getting Dansby to agree to a new contract is that a new CBA appears imminent, which it doesn't. Remember they only have until June to agree to a new contract or the Cards are stuck with it. Forget about including Dansby in any trades.

As far as a deal for Suggs? I think the Ravens would have to allow the Cards to work out a deal with him and then remove the tag so they they could sign him. The only way they would do that is with an agreement with the Cards to trade Boldin. That would allow them the space to restructure Boldins contract, but are the Cards in a position to sign Suggs long term? Again Dansby rears his ugly head with the cap he's eating up, not to mention that the Cards want to extend Wilson.


Am I wrong with this?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

...and he will get a serious dose of reality, unless he has a monster year next year. Zero pro bowls and he is demanding top 5 LB money?? Unlikely.

considering the deals that calvin pace and antonio smith signed, he WILL UNDOUBTEDLY get it. he's widely acknowledged as better than both of those players who hit jackpots. it's the nature of the beast.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

considering the deals that calvin pace and antonio smith signed, he WILL UNDOUBTEDLY get it. he's widely acknowledged as better than both of those players who hit jackpots. it's the nature of the beast.

Exactly...you only need to find one team willing to overpay.

 

[joeshmo]

Am I wrong with this?

You cant trade a tagged player who hasnt signed his deal yet, that is true. But once they sign the tender the player is now on a 1 year contract and can be traded just as easily as any other player under contract except for the fact the team would be trading for a player with a 9 mill cap hit and would like to have a deal in place before they make a trade, meaning Dansby is just as easy to trade as Boldin would be. Only reason you would need to do a sign and trade is in Suggs case who hasnt signed his tender yet.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

You're NUTS!

There is no way the Cards will give up Cody Brown and a 2nd round pick for Clayton. They don't even need another WR if they trade Boldin.

Guys you gotta give up alot to get 27 year old established Pro Bowl pass rushers. Anyone who thinks a Boldin for Suggs trade is going to get done is kidding themselves.

And by the way - Cody Brown becomes expendable once you get Suggs. We are hoping that Brown develops into 1/4 the player Terrell already is. I think Clayton would be nice insurance in case Doucet doesn't develop and he has put up good numbers.

We can't wear the Cardinal colored glasses on this one. The fact is young franchise QB's and Pass Rushers don't become available often. When they do you have to pay through the nose (see Cutler, Jay)

Think about the team we would have for next year with that. We would have the best LB corp in the league and still have the offense that went to the Super Bowl last year.

Pass rush is the missing link between us and a ring IMO.

 

[CardShark]

Guys you gotta give up alot to get 27 year old established Pro Bowl pass rushers. Anyone who thinks a Boldin for Suggs trade is going to get done is kidding themselves.

And by the way - Cody Brown becomes expendable once you get Suggs. We are hoping that Brown develops into 1/4 the player Terrell already is. I think Clayton would be nice insurance in case Doucet doesn't develop and he has put up good numbers.

We can't wear the Cardinal colored glasses on this one. The fact is young franchise QB's and Pass Rushers don't become available often. When they do you have to pay through the nose (see Cutler, Jay)

Think about the team we would have for next year with that. We would have the best LB corp in the league and still have the offense that went to the Super Bowl last year.

Pass rush is the missing link between us and a ring IMO.

In terms of value, I don't know how you rate Suggs higher than Boldin. I think Boldin grades out better than Suggs in their respective positions. Boldin is a team leader, although he's probably taken a hit on that.

As far as their team needs, I think the Ravens are hurting for a top flight WR more than the Cards are hurting for a pass rusher, although the Cards are in great need. If the Cards were as desperate for a pass rusher as the Ravens are for a WR, I think they would have kept Pace or Laboy.

I don't know why you think Cody Brown is expendable if we get Suggs. Brown wasn't brought in so much for this year as the future. If anyone is expendable, I would say Berry or Okeafor.

 

[Savage58]

Pass rusher is much more valuable than a WR in today's NFL, I think alot of you are overvaluing Bolding still thinking we're going to get the farm for him. I just don't see it.

If any Suggs for Boldin deal went down, it's the Cardinals who will have to chip in picks, not the other way around.

Suggs is much >>>>>>>> Boldin in terms of value to a team, no way the Ravens do it, this is a bogus story again from idiot media types, making up news to get you to read their sites, tweeting crap.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

In terms of value, I don't know how you rate Suggs higher than Boldin. I think Boldin grades out better than Suggs in their respective positions. Boldin is a team leader, although he's probably taken a hit on that.

Its about position. Adam Vinateri is better at his position then Suggs is at his. Do you think they are trading Adam for Suggs? Not going to happen. You have to look at this from an asset perspective. Suggs is younger, plays a more important position, and never gets hurt. Boldin for Suggs isn't going to happen.

As far as their team needs, I think the Ravens are hurting for a top flight WR more than the Cards are hurting for a pass rusher, although the Cards are in great need. If the Cards were as desperate for a pass rusher as the Ravens are for a WR, I think they would have kept Pace or Laboy.

Okaay. But they seemed to do okay with out one last year. A top flight guy would put them over the top. But even though the Cardinals made the Super Bowl last year there best sacker had like 6 sacks and that was from one of our oldest players. That isn't going to cut it long term and is likley the reason we lost the SB. If we had Suggs you think Big Ben is shaking guys off in that last minute drive like that? The defense made the run it did because it was able to cause turnovers. Asking that to be replicated again is a recipe for disaster. I am positive Wiz and the coaching staff are aware of this and thats why OLB was such a priority going into the draft.

I don't know why you think Cody Brown is expendable if we get Suggs. Brown wasn't brought in so much for this year as the future. If anyone is expendable, I would say Berry or Okeafor.

If Brown is the difference between getting Suggs or not then you trade him. You gotta believe he wasn't the highest rated guy on our board with the run on OLB's (that Mitch has pointed out so succiently) in the middle of the 2nd round and that was as much of a "need" pick as any. I like Brown and its for the same reason the Ravens would. He is young, cheap, and talented. But its going to take him time to adjust and if you think he is going to be a playmaker on a Super Bowl team at the level of a Suggs we will just have to disagree.

And Okeafor and Berry have NO trade value whatsoever so bringing them up is pointless. They are much more valued here in AZ then they would be anywhere else.

But lets say you don't want to trade Brown. So take out the Clayton piece to the deal and make it Boldin and a 2nd or 3rd rounder. I just figured the Ravens would be hedging their bets around letting one of the corner stones of their defense go and want to get some young talent back at that position. My main point is (and remains) the Ravens aren't doing Q for Suggs straight up.

Joe feel free to interject at any time here if you think I am off base.

 

[ARZCardinals]

Suggs + Heap...!!! If they are hurting so badly for a WR and Boldin is it then we should get nothing less. End of Discussion...!!! Now that is how you wheel and Deal...!!! Case Closed...!!!

BOBCAT

BOOM!!! NOW THAT'S A DONE DEAL!!!

 

[TJ]

Heap won't happen and rightfully so. This offense is not in need of a pro-bowl caliber tight end. Heap would inevitably disappear, and probably to I.R. IMO.

If you guys are talking trade w/ Baltimore; Suggs and a pick for Boldin.

But I reiterate to you all; do not let yourselves get caught up with the BSPN reports. Drew is going to spin this all offseason and into the regular season for as long as he can.

 

[perivolaki]

Its about position. Adam Vinateri is better at his position then Suggs is at his. Do you think they are trading Adam for Suggs? Not going to happen. You have to look at this from an asset perspective. Suggs is younger, plays a more important position, and never gets hurt. Boldin for Suggs isn't going to happen.

For the most part I agree with you. The only thing that makes it a possibility is that I think both the Cardinals and Ravens are in the spot of wanting to rebalance their pay and focus on offense vs. defense.

The Cardinals have most of their salary tied up on the offensive side of the ball and rumor and logic says they would rather have a 50/50 balance. I think the Ravens have most of their salary on defense and would also like a better balance.

I don't think this will happen but I do think both teams would like to smooth out the bumps in salary disparity between offense and defense.

I also think the Cards would like to prepare for a life without Warner and a better balance would suit them once hes gone. The Ravens have a young quarterback and I think they would like to transition to a more of an offensive focus.

 

[Goldfield]

For the most part I agree with you. The only thing that makes it a possibility is that I think both the Cardinals and Ravens are in the spot of wanting to rebalance their pay and focus on offense vs. defense.

The Cardinals have most of their salary tied up on the offensive side of the ball and rumor and logic says they would rather have a 50/50 balance. I think the Ravens have most of their salary on defense and would also like a better balance.

I don't think this will happen but I do think both teams would like to smooth out the bumps in salary disparity between offense and defense.

I also think the Cards would like to prepare for a life without Warner and a better balance would suit them once hes gone. The Ravens have a young quarterback and I think they would like to transition to a more of an offensive focus.

I agree, if there was a trade I think Suggs for Boldin is pretty fair for both teams.

I would do that trade.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In terms of value, I don't know how you rate Suggs higher than Boldin. I think Boldin grades out better than Suggs in their respective positions. Boldin is a team leader, although he's probably taken a hit on that. WRONG.

As far as their team needs, I think the Ravens are hurting for a top flight WR more than the Cards are hurting for a pass rusher, although the Cards are in great need. If the Cards were as desperate for a pass rusher as the Ravens are for a WR, I think they would have kept Pace or Laboy. WRONG. For all intents and purposes we had similar seasons last year. we got one game further, but they had a much better regular season. we're an offensively minded team and they defensively minded. our passrush is atrocious and their passing game is subpar (not quite atrocious).

I don't know why you think Cody Brown is expendable if we get Suggs. Brown wasn't brought in so much for this year as the future. If anyone is expendable, I would say Berry or Okeafor. this i agree with.

eh, you're wrong on a number of counts here.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

It is "Comic Sans MS" More of an Architectural type of font.


BOBCAT

Yeah, I've always liked that font, but there has been a highly publicized effort to have the font banned by a bunch of losers.

Hence, my sig...

 

[Skkorpion]

Aaargh. Stop the madness. TJUofA and joeshmo are right. Read Urban and Somers. Please. The Cards (The Bidwills) and Rod Graves are not trading Boldin. Not now.

For many reasons.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Aaargh. Stop the madness. TJUofA and joeshmo are right. Read Urban and Somers. Please. The Cards (The Bidwills) and Rod Graves are not trading Boldin. Not now.

For many reasons.

Geez Skkorp. Then start a thread entitled " Boldin's not getting traded " or "How good is our offense going to be next year with Q?"

You might be right but this is what MB's are for. Wild speculation

 

[Skkorpion]

Arizona's Finest, I have no problem with the thread. Those loonies at Channel 10 are to blame. They reported a lie. I'm jumping in to remind people to check more credible sources.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Arizona's Finest, I have no problem with the thread. Those loonies at Channel 10 are to blame. They reported a lie. I'm jumping in to remind people to check more credible sources.

I agree. Jude Lacava ranks right ahead of the illustrious Gambo and Ash in terms of reliable sources.

I am not sure LaCava can be considered a reliable source on what he had for breakfast this morning.

When oh when is Phoenix going to get a reliable informative reporter with all around sports knowledge and that covers all PHX based sports? I say with a completely straight face that Bickley is the best and thats like saying Blair from "The Facts of Life" was the most successful actress to come from that show.

I know you read this Dan so no offense