Booker Upset with Front Office?

[Mainstreet]

Because it's a money game MS. It's business. Teams lose out if they can't afford anymore. The suns gain nothing by maxing out 100% right now. They have to anticipate future signings. Ayton was a game changer. If Booker walks we still have Ayton to attract talent. Booker will want to stay because of Ayton.

Ayton hasn't even played in an NBA game. Booker is proven.

Have you ever bought an item from someone who gives you a fair price right off the bat but decide not to haggle with them for the fear of insulting them? This is the same type of situation. Sure the money is higher but the principles are the same.

 

[Mainstreet]

We really need a dislike button. I just don't see any way we'd lowball Booker.

We'd wear it out.

 

[Hoop Head]

He's locked in regardless. I'm not going to worry about him being pissed off five years down the line. That's a long time and a lot of scenarios . For him to leave later he'd have to abandon Ayton and maybe play for a crappy team strictly for money.

By not paying him now, you risk pissing him off immediately and allowing him to start positioning himself to leave ASAP. We won't get much back because he's only under contract for 1 more season. This isn't about 5 years from now, it's about this year and beyond. Being restricted or not doesn't mean nearly as much as you think. If he starts bad mouthing the Suns in the press NOW then you really think we'll match a max offer for him next offseason? Somehow that will repair the relationship also? You're completely delusional if you think so.

Why are Ayton and Jackson and other players going to sit by and want to stay here when they see how badly the team is treating the face of the team? Like I said before, you really are coming off like McD here by not taking the human element into account. You're treated players as property instead of players. Saying we'll just trap him into a contract won't happen. He'll sign the QO next offseason and then he's basically free.

There is no guarantee we'll have him beyond this season. Playing hardball with superstars is part of what put the Suns in this position initially. If we burn down the bridge with Booker then we're screwed far beyond just Booker. No one will want to be here, including our young talent that you think is so valuable but they still haven't proven anything.

 

[AzStevenCal]

We'd wear it out.

Ha. Ain't that the truth.

 

[Hoop Head]

Because it's a money game MS. It's business. Teams lose out if they can't afford anymore. The suns gain nothing by maxing out 100% right now. They have to anticipate future signings. Ayton was a game changer. If Booker walks we still have Ayton to attract talent. Booker will want to stay because of Ayton.

You really think Ayton would want to stay here after we forced Booker out?

Who is a player that hasn't played a minute in the NBA going to bring in anyways? Why would anyone want to come here after we treat Booker like that? That would honestly be the dumbest thing the Suns could do, by far. Forcing Booker out over a couple million would be the biggest franchise blunder ever, and that's really not over exaggerating.

 

[pokerface]

Let's see what happens. When Booker doesn't get max are you guys going to admit you were wrong ? I'm saying he's not getting absolute max. If he was the only stud we have I could see maxing him out.

 

[Hoop Head]

Let's see what happens. When Booker doesn't get max are you guys going to admit you were wrong ? I'm saying he's not getting absolute max. If he was the only stud we have I could see maxing him out.

That won't happen. Will you admit you were wrong when it's announced he signs a max extension? If he signs less than the max, sure I'll apologize but that won't happen. If he doesn't sign for the max then he's not signing. I feel 100% confident in that and I'm sure others agree. The only way he's not getting the max is because he plans on leaving.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Let's see what happens. When Booker doesn't get max are you guys going to admit you were wrong ? I'm saying he's not getting absolute max. If he was the only stud we have I could see maxing him out.

You do realize that we are talking about the mini max right? Max for him wouldn’t be John Wall money or anything. The mini max is meant for guys of Booker’s caliber that are on their rookie contract. Booker will be getting that mini max.

Also are you going to admit you are wrong if Booker gets a max or if he forces his way out in a couple years because he was low balled?

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

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[pokerface]

You really think Ayton would want to stay here after we forced Booker out?

Who is a player that hasn't played a minute in the NBA going to bring in anyways? Why would anyone want to come here after we treat Booker like that? That would honestly be the dumbest thing the Suns could do, by far. Forcing Booker out over a couple million would be the biggest franchise blunder ever, and that's really not over exaggerating.

If it's all about max money the why is Lebron leaving? Players want to play with talent. If Booker wants to hold a grudge five years later and play for crap team then he gets dealt prior to his expiration.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

If it's all about max money the why is Lebron leaving? Players want to play with talent. If Booker wants to hold a grudge five years later and play for crap team then he gets dealt prior to his expiration.

LeBron wants to play in Los Angeles and has already made an obscene amount of money. These are guys who would be getting their first big contract. In your first contract extension the money is absolutely more important than winning.

 

[AzStevenCal]

If it's all about max money the why is Lebron leaving? Players want to play with talent. If Booker wants to hold a grudge five years later and play for crap team then he gets dealt prior to his expiration.

Because frogs don't like elephants? Couldn't you mis-direct better than dragging Lebron into this?

 

[SirStefan32]

The team isn't all about Booker anymore. We have multiple talents. They are going to want to get paid too.

Actually, it IS all about Booker. Booker is the only proven All-Star level player on this roster. I know we are all high on Ayton, but he hasn't played a single game in the NBA. We all like Jackson, but he has not shown anything remotely close to Booker's level.
You sign Booker to the absolute max, roll out the red carpet for him, and Sarver, MCD, Jones, etc all line up, pucker up, and kiss his ass.

 

[Hoop Head]

If it's all about max money the why is Lebron leaving? Players want to play with talent. If Booker wants to hold a grudge five years later and play for crap team then he gets dealt prior to his expiration.

This isn't Lebron, everyone has said Lebron isn't going to LA for basketball reasons. If he wanted to win he would have gone elsewhere. So it's pointless to try and equate this to that.

It's not about him holding a grudge for 5 years either. He will leave MUCH sooner than that. Quit thinking he's property. If we don't give him a max extension then he'll ask to leave. If the Suns don't accommodate him then he'll sign the QO next summer and be an Unrestricted free agent the following year. Then what do the Suns do? They either trade him or let him walk for nothing. It's really not hard to grasp. It's been done before, Greg Monroe did it in Detroit.

It won't take that long though. If they don't offer him max money then he'll start angling for a trade immediately. If the Suns don't deal him, then they're only digging their hole deeper. He will be dealt within a year of going to the press and making his trade demand known. No player has gone to the press saying he wants out of his current situation and then not been accommodated. To think we'll somehow sign him for 4 more years after he's asked out though is ridiculous. That won't happen, I guarantee it.

 

[pokerface]

Because frogs don't like elephants? Couldn't you mis-direct better than dragging Lebron into this?

If Irving wouldn't have left Lebron might have at least been tempted to stay .


We have Ayton. Jackson and Bridges could also help in keeping Booker around. Yes they are unproven but I'm not going to worry about Booker leaving years down the road . Many things could happen. The suns could be contenders is three or four year. He may not want to leave then.

 

[Hoop Head]

If Irving wouldn't have left Lebron might have at least been tempted to stay .


We have Ayton. Jackson and Bridges could also help in keeping Booker around. Yes they are unproven but I'm not going to worry about Booker leaving years down the road . Many things could happen. The suns could be contenders is three or four year. He may not want to leave then.

He won't be here in 3-4 years. What don't you get about that?

 

[SirStefan32]

If Irving wouldn't have left Lebron might have at least been tempted to stay .


We have Ayton. Jackson and Bridges could also help in keeping Booker around. Yes they are unproven but I'm not going to worry about Booker leaving years down the road . Many things could happen. The suns could be contenders is three or four year. He may not want to leave then.

"MAY NOT" is not good enough.

 

[pokerface]

The biggest draw to keeping Booker around and happy is having him surrounded with talent. Talent attracts talent. There are crap teams with money available that can't sniff stars. Does Booker want to join a cellar team if the suns are on the rise?

 

[pokerface]

He won't be here in 3-4 years. What don't you get about that?

Tell me the team he is going to

 

[Hoop Head]

Tell me the team he is going to

Anywhere but here!

Next you're going to say we can always tank another season to find someone to fill Booker's place. Are you trolling us, seriously? That's the only thing that might make sense.

Pay Booker now, lock him into his MAX extension. That gives us 5 years beyond next season. That only happens with max money though. If we don't give him the max, he's not signing anything. Then he requests a trade. The Suns need to accommodate that, if they don't they risk killing team chemistry completely and pissing off more than just Booker.

If they try keeping him, then he signs the QO and is not a restricted free agent anymore. He needs to play out 1 season to leave the Suns in the rearview completely. Basically game over. He's got 1 year left, the Suns can't trade him for anything of value, at that point Jackson and Ayton hate this organization and start demanding to be traded also.

Expect the players association to get involved also because no team has EVER tried telling a player to shut and play for 1 full season after they've asked out. The Suns won't be the first. Meanwhile fans turn on the SUns completely, they set record lows in attendance and the team is worthless as a whole.

That takes 2 years, tops. All because you wanted to save a couple million. You'd make a fantastic GM.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Tell me the team he is going to

Here's the list of NBA teams that would be interested in Booker if he decides he wants out of Phoenix:

Atlanta Hawks
Boston Celtics
Brooklyn Nets
Charlotte Bobcats
Chicago Bulls
Cleveland Cavaliers
Dallas Mavericks
Denver Nuggets
Detroit Pistons
Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
Memphis Grizzlies
Miami Heat
Milwaukee Bucks
Minnesota Timberwolves
New Orleans Hornets
New York Knicks
Oklahoma City Thunder
Orlando Magic
Philadelphia Sixers
Portland Trail Blazers
Sacramento Kings
San Antonio Spurs
Toronto Raptors
Utah Jazz
Washington Wizards

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

The biggest draw to keeping Booker around and happy is having him surrounded with talent. Talent attracts talent. There are crap teams with money available that can't sniff stars. Does Booker want to join a cellar team if the suns are on the rise?

The biggest draw on that first contract is getting paid. For a player of Booker’s caliber that is a max contract.

 

[Hoop Head]

Tell me the team he is going to

Now, you tell us how the Suns keep him for more than 1 year if they don't give him his extension. How will they keep him for 4-5 years. Also, how do Ayton, Jackson, Bridges, etc feel about how we've treated Booker.

 

[pokerface]

So let me get this straight. The story you guys are weaving is if Booker doesnt get absolute max he will hold this grudge for years and bolt to pretty much anywhere but here. He won't care if JJ is a borderline allstar or Ayton is a generational big. He won't care if he has "friends" on the team or the fact that Arizona isn't a bad place to live. He won't care if the suns are on the cusp of something great. He will just dwell and dwell and dwell on the fact he didn't get max. He won't consider this a business and that other players need to be signed. He will be petty and just leave to anywhere because he felt slighted years prior and go to some other team where everything will be perfect.


Uh huh

 

[devilalum]

Here's the list of NBA teams that would be interested in Booker if he decides he wants out of Phoenix:

Atlanta Hawks
Boston Celtics
Brooklyn Nets
Charlotte Bobcats
Chicago Bulls
Cleveland Cavaliers
Dallas Mavericks
Denver Nuggets
Detroit Pistons
Golden State Warriors
Houston Rockets
Indiana Pacers
LA Clippers
LA Lakers
Memphis Grizzlies
Miami Heat
Milwaukee Bucks
Minnesota Timberwolves
New Orleans Hornets
New York Knicks
Oklahoma City Thunder
Orlando Magic
Philadelphia Sixers
Portland Trail Blazers
Sacramento Kings
San Antonio Spurs
Toronto Raptors
Utah Jazz
Washington Wizards

Melodramatic much?