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Bordow: Angry Leinart Running Out Of Chances
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Gambit
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good read. headline is a little misleading, because while Leinart no doubt has a chip on his shoulder, it shows he is saying the right things to the media.
some of us still believe in you Matt.
some of us still believe in you Matt.
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Its not like Matt isn't playing because he sucks. he happens to be on the team with the best QB in the league the second half of the season last year. I would be playing Warner over V Young in a heartbeat. (I would probably play St. Pierre over him to, but whatever---bad example) Matt will have the job soon enough, and I predict he runs away with it this time.
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although the comments after the article are horrible
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Boy that Jaf1982 guy sounds familiar.
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It's inevitable that -
- The media will harp on the Leinart promotion early and often until they get the controversial comment they're looking for from Matt.
- Matt may very possibly (perhapsafter a particularly frustrating practice or game appearance) may be suckered into saying the wrong thing.
In the past 2 preseason games, Leinart played poorly enough to be demoted and then good enough to start. Meanwhile Warner continued to perform at a consistently high level.
My guess is that (assuming no injury to Warner), before Matt is, once again, handed the keys to the proverbial car, he too will have to demonstrate more consistently high level of play. Until then he will have to accept the fact that there's an older guy on the roster who's outplaying him.
He'll get his chance, but it won't (and shouldn't) be handed to him on a silver platter. He will have to overcome any understandable feeling that he's being treated unfairly and just do what's necessary to earn the starting nod. The key here is that he will have to make it happen - no one's going to hand him any presents. (Welcome to the NFL)!
- The media will harp on the Leinart promotion early and often until they get the controversial comment they're looking for from Matt.
- Matt may very possibly (perhapsafter a particularly frustrating practice or game appearance) may be suckered into saying the wrong thing.
In the past 2 preseason games, Leinart played poorly enough to be demoted and then good enough to start. Meanwhile Warner continued to perform at a consistently high level.
My guess is that (assuming no injury to Warner), before Matt is, once again, handed the keys to the proverbial car, he too will have to demonstrate more consistently high level of play. Until then he will have to accept the fact that there's an older guy on the roster who's outplaying him.
He'll get his chance, but it won't (and shouldn't) be handed to him on a silver platter. He will have to overcome any understandable feeling that he's being treated unfairly and just do what's necessary to earn the starting nod. The key here is that he will have to make it happen - no one's going to hand him any presents. (Welcome to the NFL)!
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While I can find some commonality in the opinion, I can assure you Russ Jaf1982 me are most definitely not one in the same...
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Man I would have bet ASFN money that was you because of the Hollywood mentions.
Mea culpa.
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This is a GROSS assumption:
"He's no longer the next big thing, the quarterback who would rescue the Cardinals from their miserable existence. Now there are more questions than exclamation points, more cynics than believers. If he has another game like he did against the Oakland Raiders in the preseason - when he finished with a 2.8 quarterback rating - he will be written off for good here."
Talk about an over-exaggerated, chicken little comment. So, Leinart is never allowed to have a bad game again....ever.
What BS.
"OK, we'll grant him that. But he has to understand something, too.
Whenever that 17th start comes, there won't be any more excuses"
He should have added " Du Du Duuuuuuuuuuuu" at the end to add to his dramatics.
That article is PURE shock value, assumption laden BS.
Thank Goodness the coaches on this team don't have the patience level of this Bordow shmuck ,and some other like him. Cause Arizona will never have a young QB in town if the had this kind of impatience.
He is making backup money for 2 more years. With Warner starting I do not understand the lack of patience.
"He's no longer the next big thing, the quarterback who would rescue the Cardinals from their miserable existence. Now there are more questions than exclamation points, more cynics than believers. If he has another game like he did against the Oakland Raiders in the preseason - when he finished with a 2.8 quarterback rating - he will be written off for good here."
Talk about an over-exaggerated, chicken little comment. So, Leinart is never allowed to have a bad game again....ever.
What BS.
"OK, we'll grant him that. But he has to understand something, too.
Whenever that 17th start comes, there won't be any more excuses"
He should have added " Du Du Duuuuuuuuuuuu" at the end to add to his dramatics.
That article is PURE shock value, assumption laden BS.
Thank Goodness the coaches on this team don't have the patience level of this Bordow shmuck ,and some other like him. Cause Arizona will never have a young QB in town if the had this kind of impatience.
He is making backup money for 2 more years. With Warner starting I do not understand the lack of patience.
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Well thought and insightful post.
On second thought; as a 49er fan and having experienced the bust Alex Smith you may be onto something.......Or not.
Well thought and insightful post.
On second thought; as a 49er fan and having experienced the bust Alex Smith you may be onto something.......Or not.
You're definitely right. I have experienced the inability from a lot of fans to admit their first round QB is a Bust and watch them come up with a bunch of excuses to defend the player. Leinart is one of them because of his bad work ethic and poor arm strength.
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Games played:
Alex Smith - 32
Matt Leinart - 16
Sorry, Matt Leinart has a long way to go. He hasn't been in a tit for tat war of words with his coach. He has a organization that has the patience to wait for him to develop. He has some stability behind him with the QB coach, and offensive coordinator.
Completely different situation, and the Cardinals organization is far from labeling Leinart a bust. The arm strength/work ethic rumors have been squashed, and is nothing but ESPN/national media looking for a story, and in ESPN's case tying to cover thier butts for printing a untruthfull story.
The Cardinals may not be perfect but at least they are smart enough not to have knee jerk reactions like starting Brian St. Pierre over Warner and Leinart because of a good preseason. I hope the Niners have more patience with J.T. Sullivan and his 4 games played and zero starts because IMO they are going to need it.
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Matt Leinart had the luxury of having two number one Wide Receiver's. I'm sorry but if you can't even keep your starting job with Fitzgerald and Boldin, their is very little hope for you in this league.
The arm strength issue was never a rumor, it was a fact. Leinart doesn't get enough velocity on most of his throws and tries to compensate by putting too much air under his throws. The Poor work ethic issues will never go away until Leinart gets rid of his Hollywood image like he had at USC.
BTW starting O'Sullivan over Smith is hardly a knee jerk reaction when Mike Martz personally preferred O'Sullivan over Smith. No offense but I'll take Martz's judgment on a QB 100% over your opinion.
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First my opinions, Smith is a bust I've been saying that since his rookie year when he played like a scared rabbit. It's one thing to get happy feet in the pocket lots of rookies do that, quite another to get so scared you just drop the ball and have people speculating about how small your hands are as a result.
Alex seems to be a nice kid and I don't wish him ill but he doesn't currently have the mental makeup to be an NFL QB and it's not smarts because we both know he's plenty smart. He is just missing that something that it takes to stand in there and find the open man.
Matt doesn't seem to have the fear issue he seems to have issues of staying healthy and I agree doesn't have a strong arm and never did.
We've been told repeatedly his work ethic has improved greatly so I believe that's the truth.
The limiting factor on Matt's career will be health IMHO.
I don't get the part about 2 good Wr's, the guy Matt is battling for the QB position gets to throw to the same 2 guys so where's the advantage?
The big excuse with Smith has been 4 years 4 coordinators but people overlook he helped get last years guy fired. Can't blame McCarthy or Turner on him they left for good reason, but Hostler was fired in part because Smith was so ineffective in his offense.
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Ridiculous. You mean like Kitna, and O'Sullivan with what they had in Detriot? Or Carson Palmer and the wonderful stats he put up in Cincy last year?
Kinda like the arm strength issue Montana and Young had.
The kid has been working his butt of since his injury last season. I trust my front office, and coaches word on that.
Exactly what I think of Whiz's judgement on our QB situation over your opinion that seems to be cut and pasted from ESPN.
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Fine but you didn't address any of my comments about Leinart?
Why does it matter about the Wr's since Warner has the same Wr's?
Why don't you comment on all the stuff from Whisenhunt talking about how hard Matt has worked to improve. I think it's clear he didn't use to think Matt worked hard enough, he's made it clear he no longer thinks that way.
I think the limiting factor on Matt will be health, if he can stay healthy he has a chance to be a good NFL Qb, if he can't he won't.
Carson Palmer are you serious, at least he led the Bengals to the playoffs. When has Leinart achieved that?
Even Kitna threw for 4,000 yards last year, Leinart hasn't done that either. The two QB's are clearly ranked above Leinart, terrible comparisons.
These guys had work ethic. Leinart will never even in the same sentence as those two.
Seriously what are you talking about? I agreed with Whiz's judgment on your QB situation with starting Warner over Leinart. May I suggest reading comprehension?
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Hopper,
Personally, I think you made some valid points. Most opposing teams' fans get banned here quickly because we insult them, then when they respond they get banned. I like an outsider's point of view, and I have yet to find you overly homerish. Hope you get to stick around for a while.
Personally, I think you made some valid points. Most opposing teams' fans get banned here quickly because we insult them, then when they respond they get banned. I like an outsider's point of view, and I have yet to find you overly homerish. Hope you get to stick around for a while.
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Kitna didn't lead the Lions anywhere.
If you read carefully, you can see I mentioned Palmer last year......oh, and the year before. When they didn't make the playoffs.
Leinart has only played in 16 games as well. I understand the concept of patience is hard to apprehend as your organization runs your young QB out of town
Yet, I was talking about arm strength in that comparision.
Once again I am talking about Leinart, and the QB situation with him. You think, think he is a bust. Whiz and company think otherwise.
Still with me, or should I break it down further for you ?
It is a challenge, since I can comprehend what you are writing, yet the challenge is that you are trying to skew your original comments to fit your reasoning. Unfortunately I am going to make your stick to your original points.
Which are you don't know what you are talking about more than a cut and paste opinion of what is going on with Matt Leinart.
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Obviously that Warner is taking full advantage of the weapons around him more then Leinart. Even the last eight games and the fact that Warner won the job this year proves that.
Bottom line is that Leinart is not the starter and all the hard work he supposedly put in the offseason didn't pay off.
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MD,
He is more than welcome to hang out. But my beef with this Leinart being called a bust is not just with Niner fans, but with our own fans.
You expect me to lay down on this because he is a Niner fan?
Sorry not gonna happen.
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Sorry but what the heck does Hopper know about Leinart? What he's seen on espn? Whats so hard to understand Warner a former MVP won the job, its their some shame Leinart should feel because he got beat out by a good QB? Come on man don't come in here spewing ridiculous comments on how Leinarts a bust, I bet your team would trade ALL of their QB's for Leinart right now! Just because Warner gets to start the first game doesn't mean he will be the starter all year either. Leinart is 7-9 in his very few starts and will only get better, you don't need a rocket arm to succeed in the NFL. I think you just have some sour grapes since your teams 1st pick QB SUCKS so badly he got beat out by a world leaguer, and your season already appears to be headed downward!
