Budda Baker getting paid

[phillycard]

The only thing stopping Budda from being the best is Budda himself. The physical talent is there. He's an easy guy to root for, but dammit, the Niners game at home and the Giants game last year were 2 blatant exercises in hat throwing for me, and I'm praying that l won't see that type of play from him now that he's been paid.

 

[Jasper]

I was wondering at this price wouldn't it have been better to just keep TM? How does Budda's game compare to TM?

 

[BritCard]

I was wondering at this price wouldn't it have been better to just keep TM? How does Budda's game compare to TM?

People often compare them but I don't see it.

Badger is better in coverage. Budda is quicker and a much better tackler. Budda prefers FS. Badger is very much a box/slot guy.

 

[juza76]

People often compare them but I don't see it.

Badger is better in coverage. Budda is quicker and a much better tackler. Budda prefers FS. Badger is very much a box/slot guy.

Badger if it wasn't for the 2acl tear was the best player of our defense, was simply amazing
I still remember the play were he saved a touchdown at 1yard line forcing the fumble with a punch while running at full speed

 

[BritCard]

Badger if it wasn't for the 2acl tear was the best player of our defense, was simply amazing
I still remember the play were he saved a touchdown at 1yard line forcing the fumble with a punch while running at full speed

He was amazing. He still is to some degree. I just don't see them as similar players unless you count size and position.

Every talking head says "he's like Tyrann Matthieu" for every safety that can play in the box, cover and move round a bit. As if Tyrann Matthieu invented playing like that.

 

[kerouac9]

People often compare them but I don't see it.

Badger is better in coverage. Budda is quicker and a much better tackler. Budda prefers FS. Badger is very much a box/slot guy.

Budda stinks in coverage. If he prefers FS, he’s playing to his weakness. He’s a more physical TM who is better playing close to the line but doesn’t make game-changing plays.
TM was and is a great tackler who specialized in going for the strip because it changes games. Budda is a better tackler on the guys who received a pass over him for the first down.

 

[BigRedRage]

I was wondering at this price wouldn't it have been better to just keep TM? How does Budda's game compare to TM?

TM was hurt throughout his contract and we offered him more money than Houston STILL and he left. Doesn't matter.

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[BullheadCardFan]

Budda stinks in coverage. If he prefers FS, he’s playing to his weakness. He’s a more physical TM who is better playing close to the line but doesn’t make game-changing plays.
TM was and is a great tackler who specialized in going for the strip because it changes games. Budda is a better tackler on the guys who received a pass over him for the first down.

This.

 

[cardncubfan]

Budda stinks in coverage. If he prefers FS, he’s playing to his weakness. He’s a more physical TM who is better playing close to the line but doesn’t make game-changing plays.
TM was and is a great tackler who specialized in going for the strip because it changes games. Budda is a better tackler on the guys who received a pass over him for the first down.

It's weird that the coaches & players & even the team for that matter think he's a damn good player but some on the board think he's average at best.

 

[ajcardfan]

It's weird that the coaches & players & even the team for that matter think he's a damn good player but some on the board think he's average at best.

The coaches, other players in the league, clearly don't have the knowledge and critical thinking skills of fans on message boards.

 

[Shane]

It's weird that the coaches & players & even the team for that matter think he's a damn good player but some on the board think he's average at best.

His ability to cover and make plays in pass defense and create TOs speaks for itself. If you can’t see it you choose to be blind. he’s simply awful at it and the stats back it up. Watching him regularly get burned and have a QB rating when throwing his way league wide of 115 is all you need to know...

 

[BullheadCardFan]

His ability to cover and make plays in pass defense and create TOs speaks for itself. If you can’t see it you choose to be blind. he’s simply awful at it and the stats back it up. Watching him regularly get burned and have a QB rating when throwing his way league wide of 115 is all you need to know...

This.

 

[Jetstream Green]

TM was hurt throughout his contract and we offered him more money than Houston STILL and he left. Doesn't matter.

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There is something else about Tyrann Mathieu, which always baffled me. In the beginning, he was the best tackler this team ever had, his technique was perfect and then his last few seasons with us he became one of our worst tacklers I have ever seen (of course Mitch blamed Peterson which is crap because even Peterson was tackling better than him). Tyrann now I did believe had a shoulder injury which might have effected him but still when out there he failed to wrap up or even hit with any force to stop a guy... Tyrann luvs to play the victim which makes no sense because he went against all odds being responsible to get where he is now

 

[BritCard]

There is something else about Tyrann Mathieu, which always baffled me. In the beginning, he was the best tackler this team ever had, his technique was perfect and then his last few seasons with us he became one of our worst tacklers I have ever seen (of course Mitch blamed Peterson which is crap because even Peterson was tackling better than him). Tyrann now I did believe had a shoulder injury which might have effected him but still when out there he failed to wrap up or even hit with any force to stop a guy... Tyrann luvs to play the victim which makes no sense because he went against all odds being responsible to get where he is now

Yeah P2 didn't tackle so Badger stopped is Mitch's go to conspiracy

 

[ASUCHRIS]

The coaches, other players in the league, clearly don't have the knowledge and critical thinking skills of fans on message boards.

We get it - he's good because other people say he's good. Clearly you and others haven't come up with any argument to break the bank on a guy who hasn't done anything to show he's a top safety. (oh wait, other legitimate star safeties will be paid more soon...that's the argument)

If I'm paying top dollar, I'd expect all the numbers to indicate that he's a top player. With Budda, both between the numbers and the eye test, the only thing he's proven adept at is securing tackles 8 yards down the field, on a terrible D - I'd love for someone to show ANYTHING to prove he's even adequate in coverage.

 

[GuernseyCard]

We get it - he's good because other people say he's good. Clearly you and others haven't come up with any argument to break the bank on a guy who hasn't done anything to show he's a top safety. (oh wait, other legitimate star safeties will be paid more soon...that's the argument)

If I'm paying top dollar, I'd expect all the numbers to indicate that he's a top player. With Budda, both between the numbers and the eye test, the only thing he's proven adept at is securing tackles 8 yards down the field, on a terrible D - I'd love for someone to show ANYTHING to prove he's even adequate in coverage.

Yup! All we have is the assessment made by management, his peers and those selecting the best performers at their position at end of year.

Sorry!

 

[JeffGollin]

Nice Budda inetrview with Kurt W and Baldi on NFL Network.

Not only does he get paid/ he also gets some nifty face time before the cameras.

 

[Shane]

Yup! All we have is the assessment made by management, his peers and those selecting the best performers at their position at end of year.

Sorry!

Does he cover TEs Well?

Does he have the ability to lockdown and cover a RB who goes out in the passing game?

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

How many pass break ups does he get annually? What’s the completion % against him and The QB rating when throwing his way?

We get it. He can tackle and plays tough. He’s a good person and plays hard.

But he’s not a great well rounded player or anything of the sort. Saying he is is the epitome of cardinal homerism.

He didn’t deserve his contract and when others pass him he will still be overpaid. You don’t pay the Ronald Mckinnon of the safety position Ed Reed money it’s just dumb....

 

[GuernseyCard]

Does he cover TEs Well?

Does he have the ability to lockdown and cover a RB who goes out in the passing game?

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

How many pass break ups does he get annually? What’s the completion % against him and The QB rating when throwing his way?

We get it. He can tackle and plays tough. He’s a good person and plays hard.

But he’s not a great well rounded player or anything of the sort. Saying he is is the epitome of cardinal homerism.

He didn’t deserve his contract and when others pass him he will still be overpaid. You don’t pay the Ronald Mckinnon of the safety position Ed Reed money it’s just dumb....

Ok. F0 are idiots!

And, Reed, a Hall of Fame FS - would make more in today's market.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Ok. F0 are idiots!

gaslighting. he asked legitimate questions. he didn't slam you or make childish comments. why not just answer his questions?

here they are again:

Does he cover TEs Well?

Does he have the ability to lockdown and cover a RB who goes out in the passing game?

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

How many pass break ups does he get annually? What’s the completion % against him and The QB rating when throwing his way?

Personally, I think it's a massive overpay for a one-dimensional S who was one amongst many issues in our pass defense last year. and we've never seen him be good in pass defense the previous couple years either. in a pass-happy league, I just don't think he's worth what we're paying him.

 

[Shane]

Ok. F0 are idiots!

And, Reed, a Hall of Fame FS - would make more in today's market.

yes they are... and your right he would be the highest paid safety in the nfl because he would deserve it

 

[Chopper0080]

Mmmmm... I like the Baker contract on OTC if it proves accurate.

Bumped his salary about 2 mil this year.

7.775 in 2021 (for those who are cap concerned re: next year)
14.755 in 2022 (when the S market will blow up)
16.871 in 2023 (7.55 in dead money if cut and this will be Kyler's 5th year option)
17.975 in 2024 (3.775 in dead money if cut so mostly funny money)

 

[Chopper0080]

So, from 2020 to 2024 (5 seasons) Budda will be paid 61,173,172. That breaks down to a 12.23 per year average.

 

[Chopper0080]

You can play with the number all you want but the fact is for cap purposes, it's 4 yrs/$59MM or $14.745MM per year.

Contract numbers are out...apparently I am not just playing with numbers all I want...

 

[MadCardDisease]

gaslighting. he asked legitimate questions. he didn't slam you or make childish comments. why not just answer his questions?

here they are again:

Does he cover TEs Well?

Does he have the ability to lockdown and cover a RB who goes out in the passing game?

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

How many pass break ups does he get annually? What’s the completion % against him and The QB rating when throwing his way?

Personally, I think it's a massive overpay for a one-dimensional S who was one amongst many issues in our pass defense last year. and we've never seen him be good in pass defense the previous couple years either. in a pass-happy league, I just don't think he's worth what we're paying him.

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Does he cover TEs Well?

• at the 0:25 mark vs George Kittle

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

• at the 0:48 mark vs Emanuel Sanders
• at the 1:14 mark vs Chris Godwin

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Does he cover TEs Well?

• at the 0:49 mark vs George Kittle

Does he have the ability to lockdown and cover a RB who goes out in the passing game?

• 0:35 mark vs Christian McCaffery

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

• at the 1:11 mark vs Tyler Lockett

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Does he cover TEs Well?

• at the 1:00 mark vs Gerald Everett
• at the 2:01 mark vs James O'Shaughnessy

Can he cover a WR in a pinch? Or be counted on to break a pass on a long ball down the middle?

• at the 1:30 mark vs Cowboys