Bulls @ Suns game thread 11-19-17

[SirStefan32]

2 pretty nice wins in a row. .500 under Triano, I think?

Suns better watch out, pick might end up being a little later in the lottery than expected.

Hush! You'll give Poker, Ouchie, and the rest of the tank crew heart attacks.

 

[Mainstreet]

Great to see. The Suns bench contributes 50 points tonight.

 

[BC867]

Nice win, especially considering Booker couldn't make shots he usually makes with ease. They did an excellent job passing/ moving the ball, and they tightened up their defense nicely a couple of times.

I've been concerned about just that, with the talk of giving DBook minutes at the Point. How much can you ask of the young man?

Leave him at Shooting Guard and end any talk of him covering Point Guard or Small Forward. If management doesn't use their heads, they are going to burn him out and complain about his disappointment. Then watch Devin reach his potential on another team and look for another phenom to ruin.

Suns management is so naive. And desperate. Every move is a shot in the dark. A reaction to their ineptitude to cover each position properly.

Plan/delegate/follow-up. The foundation of good management. Will we ever see it on the Phoenix Suns?

 

[mjb21aztd]

Great win by the suns! Good to see least one team showed up today....

Good to see Jackson get a few rebounds wish he would improve his fteethrow shooting though...

 

[JCSunsfan]

I've been concerned about just that, with the talk of giving DBook minutes at the Point. How much can you ask of the young man?

Leave him at Shooting Guard and end any talk of him covering Point Guard or Small Forward. If management doesn't use their heads, they are going to burn him out and complain about his disappointment. Then watch Devin reach his potential on another team and look for another phenom to ruin.

Suns management is so naive. And desperate. Every move is a shot in the dark. A reaction to their ineptitude to cover each position properly.

Plan/delegate/follow-up. The foundation of good management. Will we ever see it on the Phoenix Suns?

Good grief. He only spent a short time at pg and that was at the end of the game. He struggled as much at SG as PG in this game. I guarantee you Booker wants the ball in his hands as much as possible. He was double teamed the entire game. So he passed more and effectively.

Its really funny when a poster on a message board calls a guy like McD with years of experience coming up through the ranks naive. Its really a...well...naive comment.

 

[JS22]

Fun fact, the Suns are 1.5 games out of the playoffs.

 

[sdscard4]

Told you all.....Moose is a great addition

 

[JCSunsfan]

Fun fact, the Suns are 1.5 games out of the playoffs.

The Miami pick is 11. Milwaukee is 17 (only transfers if it is between 11-16).

 

[GatorAZ]

I've been concerned about just that, with the talk of giving DBook minutes at the Point. How much can you ask of the young man?

Leave him at Shooting Guard and end any talk of him covering Point Guard or Small Forward. If management doesn't use their heads, they are going to burn him out and complain about his disappointment. Then watch Devin reach his potential on another team and look for another phenom to ruin.

Suns management is so naive. And desperate. Every move is a shot in the dark. A reaction to their ineptitude to cover each position properly.

Plan/delegate/follow-up. The foundation of good management. Will we ever see it on the Phoenix Suns?

Agree completely. Booker is a SG thru and thru. It's good he's unselfish enough to distribute when needed but we need him to reach his potential as an elite scorer.

I'm pro-tank but I'm ready to give up an asset(s) for a PG. Not necessarily pass first but someone legit.

 

[BC867]

Good grief. He only spent a short time at pg and that was at the end of the game. He struggled as much at SG as PG in this game. I guarantee you Booker wants the ball in his hands as much as possible. He was double teamed the entire game. So he passed more and effectively.

Its really funny when a poster on a message board calls a guy like McD with years of experience coming up through the ranks naive. Its really a...well...naive comment.

(A) We do not have a starting calibre Point Guard on the roster. (B) This, following the other extreme -- the earlier experiment of three starting Point Guards, and tweeners at that.

(A) It would be dangerous to lull everyone into the false security that, well, we can always use Booker to run the Point.
(B) McD's years of experience coming up through the ranks resulted in the unhappy overabundance of Point Guards. Related experience helps success but, as we are seeing, it doesn't guarantee it.

Please tell me how you consider those two points to be considered naive. Have you been pleased with either (extreme) Point Guard situation? Both of them fall on the inexperienced GM.

There is a large range between complex and naive. I would like to see a sound fundamental NBA basketball team for a change.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Hush! You'll give Poker, Ouchie, and the rest of the tank crew heart attacks.

While elating the “We Love being in purgatory” crew.

 

[pokerface]

While elating the “We Love being in purgatory” crew.

Their chant is.."status quo here we go!"

 

[Cheesebeef]

Their chant is.."status quo here we go!"

Jeez... that’s perfect.

 

[BC867]

While elating the “We Love being in purgatory” crew.

Their chant is.."status quo here we go!"

And the reasonable answer, as with most things in life, is neither extreme.

A well run Front Office would find the balance.

 

[elindholm]

Its really funny when a poster on a message board calls a guy like McD with years of experience coming up through the ranks naive. Its really a...well...naive comment.

How do you figure? Do I need to be a good free-throw shooter to be able to say that, relative to his peers, DeAndre Jordan sucks at free-throw shooting?

 

[JCSunsfan]

How do you figure? Do I need to be a good free-throw shooter to be able to say that, relative to his peers, DeAndre Jordan sucks at free-throw shooting?

Naive was the word used. DJ might be a bad free throw shooter, but I would not call him inexperienced or naive.

 

[elindholm]

Naive was the word used. DJ might be a bad free throw shooter, but I would not call him inexperienced or naive.

The significance of the split hair eludes me. Would it be better to say, "McDonough makes a lot of mistakes that are consistent with naivete"?

 

[Cheesebeef]

Naive was the word used. DJ might be a bad free throw shooter, but I would not call him inexperienced or naive.

The idea that experience in any walk of life automatically negates naïveté is laughable.

Based on that standard, Rod Graves’ incredibly ******* should have Never been questioned when he was running the Cardinals further into the ground... you know... cuz of experience.

 

[Mainstreet]

And the reasonable answer, as with most things in life, is neither extreme.

A well run Front Office would find the balance.

I think you are right BC. The Suns best hope is a well run front office.

 

[pokerface]

I think you are right BC. The Suns best hope is a well run front office.

Sounds like the force.

 

[BC867]

Sounds like the force.

LOL, poker. The Force is fantasy. Needing a well run Front Office is reality.

Maybe you've put your finger on it. The approach of our Front Office is little more than, "Use the Force." Perhaps the Suns should enlist Inspector Clouseau to take over from the foam finger.

 

[Phrazbit]

It would be utter lunacy to view the youngest team in the NBA pushing .500 as some sort of wasted season.

That said... I don't want to use assets to bring in a competent PG right now. If we actually get to .500 and the playoffs seem like more than a pipe dream, do it then, but we shouldn't use up value to get a stop gap PG in a season that is developmental.

 

[JCSunsfan]

The idea that experience in any walk of life automatically negates naïveté is laughable.

Based on that standard, Rod Graves’ incredibly ******* should have Never been questioned when he was running the Cardinals further into the ground... you know... cuz of experience.

Ok one last try. There is a difference between being wrong or bad at your job and being naive. Naive means being inexperienced or having a lack of knowledge. GM's can be bad because they take too many risks, are bad communicators, refuse to take risks, are cheap, have too much of an ego, and many more--all having nothing to do with being naive. OK. I am sure it will not convince anyone. Feel free to ignore this post if you like. Now its out of my system.

 

[JCSunsfan]

It would be utter lunacy to view the youngest team in the NBA pushing .500 as some sort of wasted season.

That said... I don't want to use assets to bring in a competent PG right now. If we actually get to .500 and the playoffs seem like more than a pipe dream, do it then, but we shouldn't use up value to get a stop gap PG in a season that is developmental.

I agree with this. I don't see a deal out there that will help. It will just be more of the same. Booker is probably going to be happiest playing next to his buddy Tyler Ulis for now.

 

[pokerface]

LOL, poker. The Force is fantasy. Needing a well run Front Office is reality.

Maybe you've put your finger on it. The approach of our Front Office is little more than, "Use the Force." Perhaps the Suns should enlist Inspector Clouseau to take over from the foam finger.

What is the front office supposed to be doing? Be specific.