Calling my shot: Rubio Will be a PHX Sun

[Arizona's Finest]

Grizz want to trade the pick and need a PF. Amare might be a one year rental for them but didn't he almost end up at Memphis for college. Maybe he likes the city.


Amare
Chris Dudley
#14

Rudy Gay
#2

Maybe Barbosa has to be added? You guys doing this to blow it up and get the PGOF?

I like Rudy Gay for D'antoni/Gentry's offense.

But if I did this deal I would just go all the way and trade Shaq to Cleveland for expiring contracts and Nash to Portland for Martell Webster, Jerryd Bayless, and Steve Blake.

Who's coming with me?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Where's the picture of the guy taking a bong rip?

First off, I'm guessing you mean Jared Dudley, Chris hasn't played in about 10 years.

I'm fine with the idea of blowing it all up, but Shaq and Nash go first.

In addition, it looks more likely that Brandon Jennings could fall to 14, who I like almost as much as I like Rubio.

If I were Kerr, I'd try to get as much value out of Shaq or Nash before the draft, if not, then see what happens up to the trade deadline, and see who's desperate. There are about a million different things that could happen with this current group, the worst of which would be staying status quo.

 

[elindholm]

Dudley is the best player age 25 or younger that the Suns have. The franchise doesn't have appear to have much of a future at this point, but to the extent they have one at all, Dudley has to be part of it. Trading him for a spin on the roulette wheel, which is all Rubio is at this point, would be foolhardy.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Where's the picture of the guy taking a bong rip?

First off, I'm guessing you mean Jared Dudley, Chris hasn't played in about 10 years.

I'm fine with the idea of blowing it all up, but Shaq and Nash go first.

In addition, it looks more likely that Brandon Jennings could fall to 14, who I like almost as much as I like Rubio.

If I were Kerr, I'd try to get as much value out of Shaq or Nash before the draft, if not, then see what happens up to the trade deadline, and see who's desperate. There are about a million different things that could happen with this current group, the worst of which would be staying status quo.

You are right I meant Jared Dudley. I always like Chris Dudley's goofy looking azz though

I read an article today about how Memphis is trying to get rid of the pick and how they desperately need a PF. I would think the Suns would have a very high level of interest in Rubio with the offense the play.

And I don't think Amare is currying any favor with all his radio interviews so the Suns might be looking for the best possible deal.

All indications are that Rubio can be a Pistol Pete type player in the NBA. Keep in mind how he looked in the Olympics.

Comparing him and Jennings and saying you "like him just as much" is pretty insane really. The reality is you haven't really seen too much of either player play unless you have satelitte feeds of European play and are going off of what others are saying. And if you are going off of HS tape on Jennings you are going to be sorely disappointed. I didn't read one good thing from his time in Europe.

On the other hand Rubio is an ELITE prospect. Been playing against old men for some time and more then holding his own. He's going to be a star.

Basically I think we will look back at that comment from yourself and our side will hurt from laughing.

Rubio >>>> Jennings

Not that the above trade is going to happen. I am interested to see what fans are as keen on Rubio as I am. And if you want him in a Suns uniform.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

Dudley is the best player age 25 or younger that the Suns have. The franchise doesn't have appear to have much of a future at this point, but to the extent they have one at all, Dudley has to be part of it. Trading him for a spin on the roulette wheel, which is all Rubio is at this point, would be foolhardy.

Agreed on Dudley.

I just thought him and Gay would be redundant.

Again Gay >>>>>> Dudley.

 

[AsUdUdE]

While I would LOVE to get Rubio, I don't think Memphis would do that trade, mainly because I don't think there is ANY way Amare stays, so trading Rubio/Gay for him, would set that franchise back even futher than they are now... (and that is tough to do)

If Amare was undert contract for 3-4 more years I could totally see this deal happending... but not right now...

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Comparing him and Jennings and saying you "like him just as much" is pretty insane really. The reality is you haven't really seen too much of either player play unless you have satelitte feeds of European play and are going off of what others are saying. And if you are going off of HS tape on Jennings you are going to be sorely disappointed. I didn't read one good thing from his time in Europe.

On the other hand Rubio is an ELITE prospect. Been playing against old men for some time and more then holding his own. He's going to be a star.

Basically I think we will look back at that comment from yourself and our side will hurt from laughing.

Rubio >>>> Jennings

Not that the above trade is going to happen. I am interested to see what fans are as keen on Rubio as I am. And if you want him in a Suns uniform.

Oh certainly, I really haven't watched much of either Rubio or Jennings, but I would guess it's tough to really project how either will play at the NBA level. I did read an insider article by Chad Ford about scouts, coaches and others who have been really impressed by Jennings ability, and his handling of his situation. While Rubio is a better prospect at this point, the draft is always a crap shoot. Check out the article if you have insider at ESPN, lots of stuff to like about Jennings at 14. (If he is available)

 

[JS22]

Grizz want to trade the pick and need a PF. Amare might be a one year rental for them but didn't he almost end up at Memphis for college. Maybe he likes the city.


Amare
Chris Dudley
#14

Rudy Gay
#2

Maybe Barbosa has to be added? You guys doing this to blow it up and get the PGOF?

I like Rudy Gay for D'antoni/Gentry's offense.

But if I did this deal I would just go all the way and trade Shaq to Cleveland for expiring contracts and Nash to Portland for Martell Webster, Jerryd Bayless, and Steve Blake.

Who's coming with me?

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[overseascardfan]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/scott_howard-cooper/06/12/jennings.rubio/index.html

Looks like Jennings isn't a Rubio fan. I agree with Jennings as Rubio isn't that great of a shooter and his stats aren't that impressive. However, he does remind me of Jason Kidd who coincidently was the #2 pick in the '94 draft.

I like the WAS deal, and it looks like WAS is looking at Manu Ginobili but the package seems terrible take a look at the rumored deal.



http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/106273-wizards-spurs-deal-in-works?eref=fromSI

 

[cly2tw]

To say Dudley and Gay were redundant is like to say Kobe and Ariza be redundant. But it's a moot point, as neither team would do the deal.
Rubio has a chance to be top-10 PG in the league for the next 10 years. But you don't win championship building a franchise on PG, well it's hard to do. You could have title contenders with PGs like Rondo, MoWilliams, Jameer Nelson, Derek Fisher.
The only reason for obsession with Rubio would be to have a run-n-gun team with a Nash/Kidd like PG. But do the Suns really want that? With the among the best PG of their era in KJ, Kidd, Marbury, Nash, we have failed for the last 20 years already. How long do you want it to continue?

 

[mojorizen7]

No thanks on Rubio.
If I'm the SUNS and find myself with the #2 pick I'm taking Thabeet assuming Griffin goes #1.
I agree with Cly, elite PG's aren't vital to winning championships.

 

[HooverDam]

^You'd take a guy who is being projected as a Samuel Dalembert type over a guy being touted as a potential future multi time All Star? I know Center is the most difficult and important position to fill, but Ill take a star PG over a serviceable big man any day. PG is the 2nd most difficult and important position to fill* in my estimation so if you can get a potential star at that slot, I think its worth doing.

Not that it matters anyway since that deal won't happen and Rubio wont be playing in Phoenix.

*Id rank the positions in order of importance/difficulty to fill as: 1 C, 2. PG, 3. PF, 4. SF, 5.SG

 

[slinslin]

Since it is starting to look as if Jennings might even be available at #14, I would rather trade up 3-4 spots to get Jennings than give up so much to get Rubio at #2.

Hill looks like he might be avaiable just short of our pick as well and DeRozan also between 7-10.

 

[elindholm]

^You'd take a guy who is being projected as a Samuel Dalembert type over a guy being touted as a potential future multi time All Star?

"Touted as" being the operative words. No one has any idea how good Rubio is going to be. He might be great or he might be a bust. From what I've read, there are serious questions about whether he has the athleticism and offensive diversity to be a force in the NBA.

Thabeet hasn't been playing long and has made impressive progress so far. He could wind up a Mutombo type.

That said, I'm glad it isn't my decision to make the #2 pick. I'd need a heck of a lot more information than is available online.

 

[The Commish]

Love Rubio. We should do everything in our power to get him. Like him a LOT more than Griffen (he will be a major bust). Thabeet is weak. Typical player you fall in love with because of size, but his college production was subpar and inconsistent. Think Jennings will be a good pro, but I worry about the headcase factor.

 

[slinslin]

If Jennings had an attitude problem he would have never played a minute in Europe.

He is just cocky like Kobe, Amare, Arenas you name them.

 

[PDXChris]

If Jennings had an attitude problem he would have never played a minute in Europe.

He is just cocky like Kobe, Amare, Arenas you name them.

Then benched him in the playoffs for his attitude. There was a Euro camp he was suppose to attend for scouts to see him and he was so butt hurt over the benching, he took the first flight home and pissed a bunch of scout off. He needs a Scott Skiles type to coach him.

 

[The Commish]

If Jennings had an attitude problem he would have never played a minute in Europe.

He is just cocky like Kobe, Amare, Arenas you name them.

There's a difference between cockiness and whiny little punk. Jennings falls into the latter.

PG, much like a QB, is a position that requires selflessness. Guys with "me-first" attitudes don't get teams very far.

Now would I be happy if the Suns landed Jennings at 14? Yes, he's a tremendous talent worth the risk. I just hope he matures enough to be the player he's capable of being. Up to this point I've been very unimpressed with his pre-madonna attitude.

 

[cly2tw]

I'd do Nash + #14 for Rubio in a heart beat.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

There's a difference between cockiness and whiny little punk. Jennings falls into the latter.

PG, much like a QB, is a position that requires selflessness. Guys with "me-first" attitudes don't get teams very far.

Now would I be happy if the Suns landed Jennings at 14? Yes, he's a tremendous talent worth the risk. I just hope he matures enough to be the player he's capable of being. Up to this point I've been very unimpressed with his pre-madonna attitude.

prima donna

 

[HooverDam]

"Touted as" being the operative words. No one has any idea how good Rubio is going to be. He might be great or he might be a bust. From what I've read, there are serious questions about whether he has the athleticism and offensive diversity to be a force in the NBA.

Thabeet hasn't been playing long and has made impressive progress so far. He could wind up a Mutombo type.

That said, I'm glad it isn't my decision to make the #2 pick. I'd need a heck of a lot more information than is available online.

Right my point is, if Im a lottery team Id roll the dice on a guy who has the potential to be a superstar. I dont think Thabeet has that, at the very high end he'll be Mutombo but more likely he'll be Dalembert. I dont really think thats the kind of guy you pick to turn a franchise around.

 

[CaptainInsano]

I would roll the dice too, this current team ain't going nowhere so it is time to start gambling.

With the horrific defense problems Amare has as well as knee injury history, this to me is actually not even that much of a gamble.

 

[mojorizen7]

Right my point is, if Im a lottery team Id roll the dice on a guy who has the potential to be a superstar. I dont think Thabeet has that, at the very high end he'll be Mutombo but more likely he'll be Dalembert. I dont really think thats the kind of guy you pick to turn a franchise around.

Whats wrong with Dalembert? The guys averaged 8ppg,8rpg and 2bpg over his career thus far. If thats the low-end of your Thabeet projection I'll take that. Hell, i'll even take a theo ratliff projection.
I understand your view on taking Rubio, for me i'd rather roll the dice on a big, rather than a PG.

 

[elindholm]

Right my point is, if Im a lottery team Id roll the dice on a guy who has the potential to be a superstar.

It depends on how realistic that potential is. If you had a choice between a 99% Mutombo and a 0.0001% superstar, obviously you'd go with the (almost) safe bet. This case isn't as skewed, but I'm very skeptical about Rubio, again based only on what I've read. Part of the reason he has so much "potential" is that very few NBA executives know much about him. Rubio is a bigger mystery, but that doesn't necessarily mean he has a higher ceiling.

 

[AnotherHOMER]

I'd do Nash + #14 for Rubio in a heart beat.

Sign me up..

I'd rather see Nash go before Shaq.