Camby's Out There

[JCSunsfan]

Contrary to all the sabre rattling in Denver about Camby resigning there, an article in todays Denver Post says that Camby is planning to visit other
teams.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%7E90%7E2241045,00.html

I do believe the Suns have Camby on their radar. Anyone else remember the Nugs game last winter where Marion and JJ were joking with Camby about recruiting him this summer?

Here's a thought. Pull the Eisley for Nash sign and trade (see the Nash thread). Sign Camby for 8 million. Sign Dice for 3 million. You still have 3.5 million under the cap. Maybe use that to pick up a shooter--Barry?

Nash, Barbosa
JJ, Casey, Brent Barry
Marion, Zarko
Amare, Dice, Vroman
Camby, Lampe, Jake

On a team like that, you don't sub, you reload. BTW, I know this is pie in the sky optimism. I just enjoy looking at best-case, incredible scenario type things. It does my blood pressure alot better than gloom and doom.

 

[George O'Brien]

Nash, Barry, Camby, and Dice? Even if Eisley were offloaded, I'm still not sure there would be enough money.

I'm figuring $5.5 for Barry, $6 for Nash, and $3 for Dice MIGHT get it done, but that would $14.5. Camby is walking away from $7.5 (not guaranteed) and is asking for six years of $60 million.

Even at $47 million, there is not nearly enough left to even pretend to get Camby.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Nash, Barry, Camby, and Dice? Even if Eisley were offloaded, I'm still not sure there would be enough money.

I'm figuring $5.5 for Barry, $6 for Nash, and $3 for Dice MIGHT get it done, but that would $14.5. Camby is walking away from $7.5 (not guaranteed) and is asking for six years of $60 million.

Even at $47 million, there is not nearly enough left to even pretend to get Camby.

Let's see, 3.5 (Barry), 8 (Nash), 3 (Dice), 8 (Camby). Thats 22.5 million. Offload Eisley's 6.5 and that's 16 million against the cap, which is what we have (16.2) at this moment, I believe.

If you start Camby at 8 you could still give him a 6 year 60 million deal, which would be fine as long as there is a team opt-out clause after 3 or 4.

There will be some shooter available for 3.5 or so, if Barry's not.

 

[Goldfield]

Camby would be UNFREAKIN believeable...


He is well worth the risk. I just dont see Denver letting him go.

 

[George O'Brien]

Let's see, 3.5 (Barry), 8 (Nash), 3 (Dice), 8 (Camby). Thats 22.5 million. Offload Eisley's 6.5 and that's 16 million against the cap, which is what we have (16.2) at this moment, I believe.

If you start Camby at 8 you could still give him a 6 year 60 million deal, which would be fine as long as there is a team opt-out clause after 3 or 4.

There will be some shooter available for 3.5 or so, if Barry's not.

Barry WILL get the full MLE and probably a bit more.

Getting rid of Eisley would be huge, but I would not hold my breath.

 

[coloradosun]

It's Nash or Barry, if one signs here the other won't want to. If Camby signs here I would think McDyess would go elsewhere. The scenerio put together is very utopian, where everyone of these guys would want to be on the team and share all of the minutes equally, not going to happen.

Also if we will have Vujanic is coming over next year, Barry becomes a better pick up because he can play mulitple positions, Nash is just another point guard.

We are not going to get rid of Eisley until mid way through the season, he will be better trade bait at that time. Again another reason to target Barry instead of Nash or Hudson or anyother point guard, a mutiple position player makes more sense.

I live in Denver and always thought that Camby was a lock to resign but finding out that Kiki and Kenyon Martin worked together in LA leads me to believe that he may leave. Nene and Martin make a better combo than Martin and Camby. Although they had proposed moving Carmelo to shooting guard and having all three as their front line.

 

[elindholm]

Camby would be a big risk, but better him than Okur. I'd much rather give Camby four years starting at $9 million than Okur five years starting at $6 million. No comparison, really.

 

[Goldfield]

Camby would be a big risk, but better him than Okur. I'd much rather give Camby four years starting at $9 million than Okur five years starting at $6 million. No comparison, really.

I agree totally. Camby makes us a contender, Okur does not IMO...

 

[hafey2]

I agree totally. Camby makes us a contender, Okur does not IMO...

Camby is not the answer. At 235 with Nene around, Camby played more 4 than 5. His number were great in a contract year. Last year was the first time Camby had ever played more than 63 games in his career. In fact the previous two years he played a total of 58 games. Marcus Camby is not the guy to throw big money at.

 

[Dr. Dumas]

Camby is not the answer. At 235 with Nene around, Camby played more 4 than 5. His number were great in a contract year. Last year was the first time Camby had ever played more than 63 games in his career. In fact the previous two years he played a total of 58 games. Marcus Camby is not the guy to throw big money at.

Well, the Suns might not have a choice. If Camby is on the bottom of their wish list and nothing works out with the rest, they might throw some money his way.

I get sick of hearing about money this and money that. I want to see a quality product on the floor. I guess I don't really care if they are over the cap or under. I just want to see an exciting team again.

 

[George O'Brien]

Camby is not the answer. At 235 with Nene around, Camby played more 4 than 5. His number were great in a contract year. Last year was the first time Camby had ever played more than 63 games in his career. In fact the previous two years he played a total of 58 games. Marcus Camby is not the guy to throw big money at.

Welcome aboard Hafey.

I agree. I think the only reason Camby has not done a deal with the Nuggets is that his demands are out of line.

 

[Chaplin]

IMO, a HEALTHY Marcus Camby is the best Free Agent center for us.

 

[JCSunsfan]

IMO, a HEALTHY Marcus Camby is the best Free Agent center for us.

Yup. Shot blocking, rebounding, interior D. Perfect complement to Amare.

Yes, there is an injury risk. Can't help that. He's still the player with the skills we need.

 

[Joe Mama]

Yup. Shot blocking, rebounding, interior D. Perfect complement to Amare.

Yes, there is an injury risk. Can't help that. He's still the player with the skills we need.

I agree that Marcus Camby would be a perfect fit with this team. If there was a way to guarantee his health I would take him and $6-7 million left to spend in free agency over Kobe Bryant and $1-2 million left to spend. The problem is that health. I just don't believe the Phoenix Suns are going to take that risk of offering him a big contract. I mean you risk injury with any player, but this would be like playing Russian roulette with three bullets in a six shooter.

Even if I thought it was a great idea to go out and get Marcus Camby I don't believe Bryan Colangelo does. Every time I've seen him over the last week or two he has talked about how they will be careful and wise with the money they spend because they don't want to get back into the situation they were just in with Penny Hardaway and Tom Gugliotta.

I won't be terribly upset if they go out and sign Marcus Camby. I'll just cross my fingers and hope for the best.

Joe Mama

 

[elindholm]

Seriously, I wonder what the Suns' backup plan is if they don't get Bryant? The papers keep saying Nash and Okur over and over, but I can't believe that -- it's just too stupid.

So, regardless of who we think they should be targeting, who do you think they are thinking about? I guess there was that little sentence sort of pointing to Brent Barry, but that still leaves a lot of money left over. And someone posted something here a while back suggesting that they had no interest in Dampier.

 

[Chaplin]

Seriously, I wonder what the Suns' backup plan is if they don't get Bryant? The papers keep saying Nash and Okur over and over, but I can't believe that -- it's just too stupid.

So, regardless of who we think they should be targeting, who do you think they are thinking about? I guess there was that little sentence sort of pointing to Brent Barry, but that still leaves a lot of money left over. And someone posted something here a while back suggesting that they had no interest in Dampier.

I think Nash is as realistic an option as anything. Not sold on Okur though.

 

[sunsfn]

Seriously, I wonder what the Suns' backup plan is if they don't get Bryant? The papers keep saying Nash and Okur over and over, but I can't believe that -- it's just too stupid.

So, regardless of who we think they should be targeting, who do you think they are thinking about? I guess there was that little sentence sort of pointing to Brent Barry, but that still leaves a lot of money left over. And someone posted something here a while back suggesting that they had no interest in Dampier.

I believe whoever they sign it will be on the first day they can sign someone, like the Chambers deal. (that is, the one they target, there will probably be others)

As far as center, I do not think it will be Camby or Dampier. The injury thing is something they will not take a chance on after all the problems with Hardaway.

Okur being 25 is still a possibility. They may think he shows the things that it takes to be a good center in this league soon. He has youth, he has size, he can score, and he can play some defense, and they may think they can teach him to be a better defensive center with time.
In some games I watched during the year he looked pretty good, scored and blocked a couple shots.
He did not look good in the playoffs, but that may be because of his youth and time in the league, and the erratic minutes he played because of Larry Brown wanting experience in the game.

Foyle & Blount are good signs for a couple years while lampe gets going.

As far as guards, I really hope they do not sign Nash. I like him but think he is an injury waiting to happen, and they would not want to commit to the length of cantract he wants. Same with Barry.
It would seem to me that there is someone that they could sign for a veteran backup.

I am thinking there may be a trade for a center or point guard with another team involving Marion. Not sure who, but it could happen.

I really do not think Kobe is coming here. L.A. is going to throw the bank at him and try to do what he wants to keep him.

 

[elindholm]

I am thinking there may be a trade for a center or point guard with another team involving Marion. Not sure who, but it could happen.

I think so too.

Foyle & Blount are good signs for a couple years while lampe gets going.

Something tells me they aren't going to target Blount. I don't know why; it's just a hunch. It would be nice if Foyle is on their radar.

 

[hafey2]

IMO, a HEALTHY Marcus Camby is the best Free Agent center for us.

I will readily aknowledge that, when healthy, Marcus Camby is a good player. The problem I have, besides injuries, is this: Is he really center? Can you count on him to hold down the pivot for 35 mins a night? I don't think you can. Given his presumed cost, I would stay away from him.

 

[slinslin]

Camby is definately a center.

He is not thick but he is quite strong and not think like he used to be. And he is definately at least 7'.

Camby and Nash/Barry/Crawford should be our plan B probably.

I don't think Okur will even be an option because he is a player that probably wouldn't mind going to Utah and the Jazz will overpay for him imo.

 

[coloradosun]

Camby was not given enough credit in helping turn the Nuggets around, everyone gave all the praise to Carmelo. Camby was a vocal leader and an emotional leader. He was as effective on defense as he was on offense. He consistently hit 15 ft shots and opened the lane for Melo and Nene. A perfect fit to what we want to accomplish on offense. He also could fill the lanes on the breaks.

 

[Joe Mama]

Camby was not given enough credit in helping turn the Nuggets around, everyone gave all the praise to Carmelo. Camby was a vocal leader and an emotional leader. He was as effective on defense as he was on offense. He consistently hit 15 ft shots and opened the lane for Melo and Nene. A perfect fit to what we want to accomplish on offense. He also could fill the lanes on the breaks.

I definitely concur. I honestly believe he was the key to the turnaround. I remember when he was healthy and in the lineup with the New York Knicks they were one of the best teams in the NBA. His numbers aren't anything spectacular, but his presence is very important. If he gets away from Denver I would be surprised to see them slide out of the playoff picture next season.

Joe Mama

 

[JCSunsfan]

I definitely concur. I honestly believe he was the key to the turnaround. I remember when he was healthy and in the lineup with the New York Knicks they were one of the best teams in the NBA. His numbers aren't anything spectacular, but his presence is very important. If he gets away from Denver I would be surprised to see them slide out of the playoff picture next season.

Joe Mama

I think we underestimate the value of a shot blocking center (or forward) to a team's success. Take a look at the league leaders in this category this year.

 

[Chaplin]

I definitely concur. I honestly believe he was the key to the turnaround. I remember when he was healthy and in the lineup with the New York Knicks they were one of the best teams in the NBA.

Joe Mama

I think that's stretching a little bit, but I see what you mean.

 

[Joe Mama]

I think that's stretching a little bit, but I see what you mean.

they made it to the NBA finals with a healthy Marcus Camby and without Patrick Ewing even as the eighth seed.

Joe Mama