Cardinals are drafting a QB

[Krangodnzr]

I'm of the school of thought that this is a very good QB draft, but there isn't that prospect with small downside.

The ones I don't like? I don't like Kizer much but he has a huge upside. I REALLY don't like Kaaya, I think his limitations are huge and he has a microscopic chance at being good. Kaaya absolutely folds under pressure.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

I don't think so, but Elway sucked until his last couple of years, so who knows?

What is your definition if sucking? Not winning a Super Bowl? Did Marino suck?

 

[juza76]

i am for drafting mahomes, if not trade back and getting an extra 3th, with that pick we can draft dobbs or peterman

 

[Snakester]

I do think we will take a QB at 13 if Trubisky or Mahomes is there.

 

[JeffGollin]

Kyle Odegard‏ @Kyle_Odegard
Bruce Arians a big fan of this quarterback class. Best in the last four or five years, he said.

If you're SK or BA, do you let Kyle Odegard reveal to the sports world what you're thinking - (unless, of course, you want him to divulge info that helps manipulate a trade)?

What I heard Keim say (but not necessarily mean) was that there might (I repeat "might") be a player (he said "player"/not "QB") worth trading up to #9 for, someone representing a better value at #22 + another pick or "just right" at #13.

Sounded to me like a team not giving any info away while shaping the non-news to deliver a desired message (i.e. "We're open to a trade" or "better deal with us or we may take the QB you want")

 

[JeffGollin]

Kent Somers‏ @kentsomers
BA says when it comes to QBs there are "more arms"in this draft than in previous 4,5 years

BA also went on to say that "arms" don't necessarily translate into other necessary traits like football smarts.

 

[Yuma]

What is your definition if sucking? Not winning a Super Bowl? Did Marino suck?

Easy, don't get your dander up. I was a Bolt fan before. We did our fair share of busting Elway's chops. Just saying, he didn't always play that great. If I had to rate the two QBs you mentioned, I would put Marino above Elway despite the Super Bowl wins.

Also, there is the little matter of Elway never having won a Super Bowlwithout T.D. in the backfield. (SB XXXII stats: Davis 157 yards, three touchdowns; Elway 123 yards passing and an interception.)

 

[Jetstream Green]

Easy, don't get your dander up. I was a Bolt fan before. We did our fair share of busting Elway's chops. Just saying, he didn't always play that great. If I had to rate the two QBs you mentioned, I would put Marino above Elway despite the Super Bowl wins.

I would put Marino over them Terrell Davis Superbowl wins too

 

[Yuma]

BA also went on to say that "arms" don't necessarily translate into other necessary traits like football smarts.

Definitely agree with that. If you could build a simulator with plays at NFL speed and put these undrafted QBs in it before the draft and test their brains and reactions, that is way more than arms. No one ever accused Tom Brady of having a rifle. Yet he knows when and where to throw the ball.

One guy I remember well is Dan McGuire, brother of baseballer Mark McGuire. Dan was strong as an OX, and I remember NFL defensive linemen that could not bring him down on a sack, it would be an in the grasp whistle blow sack. He had an arm like a proverbial cannon. I saw him warming up one time throwing ropes 70 yards downfield. Literally almost no arch to the ball flight traveling that far. Guy would get that deer in the headlights look on 3rd and longs and couldn't pick out who was going to be open. Physically probably one of the strongest QBs ever to play in the NFL.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I'm of the school of thought that this is a very good QB draft, but there isn't that prospect with small downside.

The ones I don't like? I don't like Kizer much but he has a huge upside. I REALLY don't like Kaaya, I think his limitations are huge and he has a microscopic chance at being good. Kaaya absolutely folds under pressure.

We better not draft Krapya lol

 

[Krangodnzr]

If you're SK or BA, do you let Kyle Odegard reveal to the sports world what you're thinking - (unless, of course, you want him to divulge info that helps manipulate a trade)?

What I heard Keim say (but not necessarily mean) was that there might (I repeat "might") be a player (he said "player"/not "QB") worth trading up to #9 for, someone representing a better value at #22 + another pick or "just right" at #13.

Sounded to me like a team not giving any info away while shaping the non-news to deliver a desired message (i.e. "We're open to a trade" or "better deal with us or we may take the QB you want")

I don't know. It seems like the Cardinals have been fairly straightforward in the past when they talk about the draft.

 

[JeffGollin]

I don't know. It seems like the Cardinals have been fairly straightforward in the past when they talk about the draft.

Trust no one.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't know. It seems like the Cardinals have been fairly straightforward in the past when they talk about the draft.

It is my belief that if Mahomes is there at 13, they are drafting him judging by this Front Office's actions in past drafts and I do not expect them to get fancy... for better or worse they appear to really really really like him, and any talk after initially letting the cat out of the bag and Michael saying crap like they could go the vet route again is just damage control for making their admiration obvious early lol

 

[Yuma]

I don't know about Michael NOT doing the vet thing. More than a couple times they keep talking about what a unique experience it is in AZ with Palmer not being there long, with Palmer taking Wednesdays off so the new guy gets to run the first team, etc. Really, a rookie gets drafted and he's stuck on your team. You don't have to sell him why it's such a good deal to be in AZ. Who do you have to sell? A veteran who his agent said his player wants to start right away. I mean they keep repeatedly talking about how the next QB will be really lucky here in AZ under the guise of it being a rookie QB. I keep wondering, why are they trying to sell a guy who they haven't even drafted yet, if the next QB is a rookie? Makes no sense to me.

Edited for another thought: I mean I am just conjecturing out my A$$, but what if the Cardinals tried to trade for Garappolo or another QB, and that QB said he wouldn't report to that team if traded, or whatever leverage he had, and the team told AZ sorry our guy wants to stay put. Then maybe you do this constant explaining why the QB spot here would be good.

Maybe I am overreaching, but why in the hell do you have to sell rookie QBs before the draft how good the situation here is? You draft them, end of story. They cannot choose where they are picked anyway.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I don't know about Michael NOT doing the vet thing. More than a couple times they keep talking about what a unique experience it is in AZ with Palmer not being there long, with Palmer taking Wednesdays off so the new guy gets to run the first team, etc. Really, a rookie gets drafted and he's stuck on your team. You don't have to sell him why it's such a good deal to be in AZ. Who do you have to sell? A veteran who his agent said his player wants to start right away. I mean they keep repeatedly talking about how the next QB will be really lucky here in AZ under the guise of it being a rookie QB. I keep wondering, why are they trying to sell a guy who they haven't even drafted yet, if the next QB is a rookie? Makes no sense to me.

Edited for another thought: I mean I am just conjecturing out my A$$, but what if the Cardinals tried to trade for Garappolo or another QB, and that QB said he wouldn't report to that team if traded, or whatever leverage he had, and the team told AZ sorry our guy wants to stay put. Then maybe you do this constant explaining why the QB spot here would be good.

Maybe I am overreaching, but why in the hell do you have to sell rookie QBs before the draft how good the situation here is? You draft them, end of story. They cannot choose where they are picked anyway.

I think Yuma at this time of the year we are all overreaching and your opinion holds as much validity as anyone else not named Keim or Arians

 

[Cardiac]

I don't know about Michael NOT doing the vet thing. More than a couple times they keep talking about what a unique experience it is in AZ with Palmer not being there long, with Palmer taking Wednesdays off so the new guy gets to run the first team, etc. Really, a rookie gets drafted and he's stuck on your team. You don't have to sell him why it's such a good deal to be in AZ. Who do you have to sell? A veteran who his agent said his player wants to start right away. I mean they keep repeatedly talking about how the next QB will be really lucky here in AZ under the guise of it being a rookie QB. I keep wondering, why are they trying to sell a guy who they haven't even drafted yet, if the next QB is a rookie? Makes no sense to me.

Edited for another thought: I mean I am just conjecturing out my A$$, but what if the Cardinals tried to trade for Garappolo or another QB, and that QB said he wouldn't report to that team if traded, or whatever leverage he had, and the team told AZ sorry our guy wants to stay put. Then maybe you do this constant explaining why the QB spot here would be good.

Maybe I am overreaching, but why in the hell do you have to sell rookie QBs before the draft how good the situation here is? You draft them, end of story. They cannot choose where they are picked anyway.

It behooves any employer to motivate and get all their employees motivated to do their best and be happy they work for said employer. Plus it is positive thoughts for the fan base. Nothing more and nothing less IMO.

 

[Ronin]

ProFootballTalk‏Verified account@ProFootballTalk
From @PFT_Live, Nathan Peterman says he's drawing interest from Cardinals, Chargers, and Jaguars

 

[JeffGollin]

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From @PFT_Live, Nathan Peterman says he's drawing interest from Cardinals, Chargers, and Jaguars

(I just buried a related comment in another thread):

Does it make sense to have two separate QB job descriptions - one for a starter/the other for the #2 backup?

Do the starter and backup roles require the same skill sets? Stanton is our #2 for a reason. Should Carson Palmer or another starter go down, do you want his replacement to be someone equally as athletic but shaky under pressure? Or do you want someone a bit less athletic but cooler under pressure to pick up the reins?

When you pick up a backup in the FA market, you usually have to eat part of a hefty contract. But if you draft one, you pay a rookie price.

If it's felt that Stanton will never rise above #2 and is beginning to show wear, tear and priceiness, I'm wondering out loud whether the Cards will be in the market for a game-manager like Peterman or Beathard.

 

[WisconsinCard]

I think Yuma at this time of the year we are all overreaching and your opinion holds as much validity as anyone else not named Keim or Arians

Agreed, I still believe that the Cards are looking to trade down. They are selling the QBs so someone wants to get up there to get there guy and offers us a kings ransom.

 

[Solar7]

Agreed, I still believe that the Cards are looking to trade down. They are selling the QBs so someone wants to get up there to get there guy and offers us a kings ransom.

I don't think anyone's going to trade to our spot to pick a QB. Ahead of us? Sure. But after we're off the board, there's a solid ten picks before another QB needy team goes.

I could see it for one of the RBs potentially before the Eagles though.

 

[Stout]

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From @PFT_Live, Nathan Peterman says he's drawing interest from Cardinals, Chargers, and Jaguars

 

[WildBB]

Ok, it's a week out and I'm getting that 1st round vibe again.

 

[Jetstream Green]

Agreed, I still believe that the Cards are looking to trade down. They are selling the QBs so someone wants to get up there to get there guy and offers us a kings ransom.

If someone trades with us at our spot, it will hardly be a king's ransom but it may afford to get 'our' QB and enable the Cards to still use two early picks on the depth of this draft... hence have three picks instead of two

 

[WisconsinCard]

If someone trades with us at our spot, it will hardly be a king's ransom but it may afford to get 'our' QB and enable the Cards to still use two early picks on the depth of this draft... hence have three picks instead of two

I was thinking more about Houston or KC. If they wasn't us to move back 13 to 15 places, they'll have to pay a kings ransom.

 

[DutchmanAZ]

I think we take Kelly late or as an UDFA.