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By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
March 26, 2005, 8:21PM
NFL NOTEBOOK

Cardinals high on Benson

Texas running back Cedric Benson has always been at his best with the ball in his hands running between the tackles. As he showed at the Longhorns' pro day last week, Benson isn't an outstanding athlete.

Benson's time in the 40-yard dash averaged in the 4.6s. Bench pressing 225 pounds 18 times wasn't all that impressive for a power back. Neither were his vertical jump (33 inches) or his long jump (9 feet, 8 1/2 inches).

Most teams have Benson rated third behind Auburn's Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Arizona has the eighth pick in the first round and needs a back desperately.

"There are things greater than a 40 time," said Rod Graves, the Cardinals vice president of football operations. "Emmitt Smith didn't run all that fast when he came out. Neither did (Ravens outside linebacker) Terrell Suggs. And there are so many others.

"The bottom line is that Benson was very, very productive for four years, and that can't be overlooked."

Coach Dennis Green will decide what player the Cardinals select.

"What it probably showed more than anything was that Benson didn't take advantage of what a lot of other guys have done," Green said. "I'm not advocating that guys leave school and go to these workout places, but, clearly, the guys that have done that, their combine numbers are up."

Longhorns' outside linebacker Derrick Johnson worked out with Houston's Danny Arnold at Plex and blew away everyone with his size, speed and athleticism. He's the highest-rated linebacker in the draft.

"It still comes down to a guy playing football," Green said. "When you look at video, that's the No. 1 thing, and that's what Cedric Benson does very well."
 
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Didn't see it posted, I would rather get DJ at 8, then CB in round 2 if we can get the Henry deal done.
 

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CardinalLaw said:
By JOHN McCLAIN
Copyright 2005 Houston Chronicle
March 26, 2005, 8:21PM
NFL NOTEBOOK

Cardinals high on Benson

"There are things greater than a 40 time," said Rod Graves, the Cardinals vice president of football operations. "Emmitt Smith didn't run all that fast when he came out. Neither did (Ravens outside linebacker) Terrell Suggs. And there are so many others.

:bang: :computer:
 

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Exactly

Nice to know you realize that NOW. (Graves)

But I wouldn't compare Benson to Suggs.

I didn't see Benson rack up 2500 yards this past year, which is probably the equivilent of what Suggs did. So in other words I hope the suggs mistake isn't a mistake that will hurt us twice if you know what I mean.
 
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CardsFan88 said:
Exactly

Nice to know you realize that NOW. (Graves)

But I wouldn't compare Benson to Suggs.

I didn't see Benson rack up 2500 yards this past year, which is probably the equivilent of what Suggs did. So in other words I hope the suggs mistake isn't a mistake that will hurt us twice if you know what I mean.

Ditto for me. If Graves said that then we are not taking Benson. As a matter of fact maybe that means we are going to trade down and get two picks in the first round and select guys that are slated for the third and fourth rounds. Ray Willis and Adrian McPherson, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
 

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I wouldn't read too much from that headline (particularly since it came out of Houston).

Rod and Dennis had nice things to say about Benson. Graves also observed that guys who attended the Combine (including the other 2 highly rated RB's) had the chance to help themselves and Benson didn't avail himself of that opportunity.

A more accurate working headline might have been: "Cardinals Still Consider Benson a Possibility."
 

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JeffGollin said:
I wouldn't read too much from that headline (particularly since it came out of Houston).

Rod and Dennis had nice things to say about Benson. Graves also observed that guys who attended the Combine (including the other 2 highly rated RB's) had the chance to help themselves and Benson didn't avail himself of that opportunity.

A more accurate working headline might have been: "Cardinals Still Consider Benson a Possibility."

Agree. Cards are just playing it up about the RBs so as to turn up the heat on the Bills (IMO). Someone just up'ed their bet by dropping another penny in the pot. Poker at it's best.

On another note....Graves blew it a couple years ago when he was in charge of the draft and passed on Suggs....well, we all know the story....

But, we should put it behind us and assume that Graves learned. If Graves pulls another stunt like that then off with his head. But, for right now, we should extend him the benefit of the doubt, thank God that Denny is calling the shots. JMO.
 

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CardinalLaw said:
Didn't see it posted, I would rather get DJ at 8, then CB in round 2 if we can get the Henry deal done.

I want a RB at #8 however the more I read about Johnson the more he looks like a sure fire winner in the NFL. I would not be disappointed if we took him. I suspect a lot of other teams are looking at this guy very closely.
 

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CardinalLaw said:
By JOHN McCLAIN


"There are things greater than a 40 time," said Rod Graves, the Cardinals vice president of football operations. "Emmitt Smith didn't run all that fast when he came out. Neither did (Ravens outside linebacker) Terrell Suggs. And there are so many others.

Wouldn't Graves want to not bring that first round up :stupid:
 

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Benson would be a solid pick in all aspects. I am pleased to see the Cards are staying focused on the top players.
 

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DevonCardsFan said:
CardinalLaw said:
By JOHN McCLAIN


"There are things greater than a 40 time," said Rod Graves, the Cardinals vice president of football operations. "Emmitt Smith didn't run all that fast when he came out. Neither did (Ravens outside linebacker) Terrell Suggs. And there are so many others.

Wouldn't Graves want to not bring that first round up :stupid:

I've always wondered if the trade was really Graves idea or if it was forced on him by others due to financial circumstances. We seemed almost desperate to get rid of the pick.
 

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I've always wondered if the trade was really Graves idea or if it was forced on him by others due to financial circumstances.

...or a head coach desperate for two 1st round picks.
 

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Benson would be a solid pick in all aspects. I am pleased to see the Cards are staying focused on the top players.


thanks harry. too much bashing on benson. he's gonna be a stud.
 

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Here is another opinion of Benson. I think the guy is dead wrong BTW.

In NFL draft, beware of next Leaf
Texas’ Benson, Cal’s Rodgers among potential busts

By Michael Ventre
NBCSports.com contributor
March 24, 2005

One of my worst sports predictions ever – aside from my 2005 NCAA tournament bracket, of course – was tabbing Ryan Leaf as a future NFL star. But unlike the bracket, which I compiled under extreme deadline pressure and while I was under heavy sedation from a team of physicians because of a highly sensitive and potentially life-threatening medical condition, the selection of Leaf was performed while I was completely lucid and in full control of my faculties. That’s what hurts the most to this day.

Soothing the pain somewhat is the knowledge that I wasn’t alone on the Leaf blunder. The San Diego Chargers took him as the second overall selection in the 1998 draft. The choice was hailed by many NFL experts. Remember, at the time Leaf had not yet been exposed as a Baby Huey in pads. He had not yet berated reporters for no apparent reason. He had not yet alienated coaches, teammates, fans, media types, transients, tourists, those living in foreign lands and the entire animal kingdom.

But as history has shown, Leaf turned out to be the biggest bust in the history of professional sports. Certainly there have been other candidates. Old-schoolers will point to two picks by the Portland Trail Blazers: LaRue Martin in 1972 and Sam Bowie in 1984. Steve Emtman, Brian Bosworth, Aundray Bruce, Kenneth Sims, Lawrence Phillips, David Klingler and Heath Shuler come to mind as wastes of NFL picks. David Clyde was a much-ballyhooed teenage pitching prospect who was rushed by the Texas Rangers and quickly fizzled. And there are many others.

But those men are first-ballot Hall of Famers compared to Leaf. In Cryin’ Ryan, you had the rare five-tool failure: immaturity, selfishness, lack of skills, lack of guts and poor work ethic. What I like to refer to as the “bust quotient” – a mathematical formula of my own creation that factors in draft position, financial outlay, any extraordinary measures used to obtain the player (i.e., trading up for a pick) and impact on a franchise’s future, among other variables – has Leaf in a class by himself. He is the Joe Montana of duds.

Therefore, comparisons between Leaf and any players in this year’s NFL draft are grossly unfair. So nominations for the 2005 Ryan Leaf Award will not go to players who are anywhere close to the freak that Leaf turned out to be. They will instead be bestowed on potential disappointments, players who come into the draft with high expectations but who could also flop.

Let’s face it, not all of the combine sensations touted highly in mock drafts will have long and productive NFL seasons. There are always turkeys among the can’t-miss kids. It happens every year.

The five players listed below are candidates for the Ryan Leaf Award. They are all likely first-round selections with star quality who, for various reasons, have at least the potential to crash and burn. But remember, Leaf walked away with an $11 million signing bonus, so don’t feel too sorry for them:

Cedric Benson, RB, Texas
He rushed for over 1,000 yards in each of his four collegiate seasons. Not bad, eh? But he has a tendency to have his worst performances in the biggest games. The two games in which he had under 100 yards last season came against Oklahoma (92) and Michigan in the Rose Bowl (70). Meanwhile, he fattened up against North Texas, Arkansas, Rice and Baylor, amassing 746 of his 1,834 yards against those patsies. Although he has 4.5 combine speed, he plods rather than explodes through the hole, a no-no in the faster, quicker NFL. He isn’t much of a receiver. And there is a belief that he might be the second coming of Ricky Williams in an unflattering way: Cedric may not love football the way a coach or GM wants a top draft pick to love football. That could result in attitude problems at the next level, especially with millions already in the bank by that time.

Aaron Rodgers, QB, California
This one is iffy, because there are things about this kid that I love, especially his smarts and his competitiveness. He has Hall of Fame intangibles. But Rodgers doesn’t throw downfield nearly as well as he throws short. In a ball-control offense, where he is asked to peck his way downfield with quick throws to sure-handed receivers, he’ll do very well. But when he has to take a deep drop, look downfield and deliver while a pass rush looms, he’s only average. He’s also 6-2 and 195 pounds. That doesn’t make him a munchkin, but giant prototypes such as Ben Roethlisberger (6-4, 240) and Carson Palmer (6-5, 230) have an advantage he won’t have in being able to see over defenses and endure poundings. There’s also the Jeff Tedford jinx to consider.

Marcus Spears, DE, LSU
Inconsistency seems to be the problem here. Spears is the kind of big man who will cause you to stand and take notice. But he also will cause you to stand and say, “Where is he?” He has been criticized for being blubbery, which suggests his conditioning isn’t what it should be. Others have overcome that issue, including Warren Sapp. But it’s an obstacle. Projected by many to go in the middle of the first round, he is tempting to a lot of player personnel directors because of his potential, but his college career was a mixture of wonder and frustration, and that could be the case in the NFL as well. If he adopts an underdog mentality and plays like a demon to show up his critics, he’ll have a stellar career. If he continues the pattern he displayed in college, he won’t.

Braylon Edwards, WR, Michigan
He was a big-play man for the Wolverines. Indeed, he has all the skills that pro scouts look for in a receiver. But he has been knocked in the past for a lack of discipline, for taking plays off and for running ragged routes. He might be the next Keyshawn Johnson: a guy so convinced of his star quality that he doesn’t work hard enough to develop his game in order to excel at the next level. Some of his attitude problems early in his career can be chalked up to immaturity, but coaches in the NFL are only so tolerant. It’s OK to have a little bit of a chip on your shoulder at the pro level. In fact, it’s preferred, given the viciousness of combat between defensive backs and wideouts. But he’d better be careful and not confuse that kind of confidence with an impertinence that prevents him from making the transition to the next level.

Jammal Brown, T, Oklahoma
He has the size – 6-5, 315 – to be an NFL tackle. And he has good foot speed and athletic ability. But despite his press clippings, he isn’t as physically dominating as he should be. He’s a fine pass protector but not very effective as a run blocker, even though he played on an offensive line that sprang Adrian Peterson last year. He doesn’t have that nasty disposition you like to see in NFL offensive linemen. That lack of aggressiveness could hurt him in the pros. He had a weak showing in his final game in college – the Orange Bowl against USC – giving up a big sack to Shaun Cody and doing little to jump-start the Sooners’ running game. Alex Barron of Florida State, who did not get nearly as much acclaim as Brown but who has tremendous upside, will probably have a better career than Brown.

Michael Ventre writes regularly for NBCSports.com and is a freelance writer based in Los Angeles.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7269110
 

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I tried Benson once in highschool, just didn't like the lack of control I felt I had when on it. :D

Sorry, just found it amusing that it said HIGH on Benson given some teams concern he was idolizing Ricky Williams until he realized it might hurt his draft status.
 

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Russ Smith said:
I tried Benson once in highschool, just didn't like the lack of control I felt I had when on it. :D

Sorry, just found it amusing that it said HIGH on Benson given some teams concern he was idolizing Ricky Williams until he realized it might hurt his draft status.
I had control, just felt a little tired and hungry afterwards. But my eyes were red.
 

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Russ Smith said:
I tried Benson once in highschool, just didn't like the lack of control I felt I had when on it. :D

I always had my suspicions about this. Now they have been confirmed!

Your nothing more than a Benson head to me now Russ. How sad...
 

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john h said:
I want a RB at #8 however the more I read about Johnson the more he looks like a sure fire winner in the NFL. I would not be disappointed if we took him. I suspect a lot of other teams are looking at this guy very closely.

I hope we stay away from RB's in the 1st round. We've had such horrible luck with them. Isn't the Thomas Jones draft where we passed on Urlacher? :bang:
 

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I hope we stay away from RB's in the 1st round. We've had such horrible luck with them. Isn't the Thomas Jones draft where we passed on Urlacher? :bang:

The 2nd round has been where the Cards historically have taken RB's. Only TJones and Garrison Hearst have been first round selections since Ottis Anderson in 1979.

I posted the list of failed second rounders earlier this month. It is as sad as it is long.
 

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At some point a rookie RB will make a big impact here. I mean at some point it has to happen right ?? Might as well try again this year .... Also if ever there was a year to draft a RB high and start him it is this year.
 

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Russ Smith said:
I tried Benson once in highschool, just didn't like the lack of control I felt I had when on it. :D

Sorry, just found it amusing that it said HIGH on Benson given some teams concern he was idolizing Ricky Williams until he realized it might hurt his draft status.


I found that my inhabitions were lowered....so I never tried Benson again. ;)
 

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WisconsinCard said:
I found that my inhabitions were lowered....so I never tried Benson again. ;)

I thought I had some Benson once, but it turned out to be Oregano. :mad:
 

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