hcsilla
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Yes, you are right, I forgot about Voskuhl.
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He was hurt last season. He had surgery and got it fixed. He is 7'2" and 290 lbs and was very good defensively. We didn't need him to score points becasue we have enough players to do that. It is a big loss.
It's not like you can just go out a get a quality center. They don't grow on trees. The Suns have tried for years to get a center but it has never happened. Jake was the closest thing to it. Why get rid of something so that now you just have to go out and replace it? Someone mentioned something about which would you rather have, $10 or a 50/50 chance at $50. I think the intent was that you go for the more sure thing. Well Jake was more like $25 and it's more like a 20/70 chance that we get another quality center. Seems like quite a bit of risk for giving up at least a very servicable center. And right now we have nothing.
elindholm
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So your counter offer is let Tsakalidis to go AND keep Outlaw.
No, my counter-offer was to keep Tsakalidis for 82 more games and see what he can do. If he is going to work out, keep him. If not, let him go. Why make that decision 82 games sooner than you need to, especially with how much was invested to get him to Phoenix?
Regarding Outlaw, next summer his contract would be expiring, and it would have been easier to find a taker for him -- if he didn't get snapped up in the expansion draft, that is.
No, my counter-offer was to keep Tsakalidis for 82 more games and see what he can do. If he is going to work out, keep him. If not, let him go. Why make that decision 82 games sooner than you need to, especially with how much was invested to get him to Phoenix?
Regarding Outlaw, next summer his contract would be expiring, and it would have been easier to find a taker for him -- if he didn't get snapped up in the expansion draft, that is.
Suns_fan69
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What is the minimum for Dermarr? I don't think he qualifies for the vet min contract (which is half paid by the league, no?) because isn't this only his 3rd year?
slinslin
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300.000$ I guess.
hcsilla
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Was 200 games not enough for judging of Tsakalidis?
Suns' management seemed to be given up on Tsakalidis.
As I said earlier he wasn't that impressive in the Eurobasket2003.
He was a servicable role-player of an above average (no more) greek team which doesn't necessarily leads to the conclusion that he will be a servicable C in NBA.
That's a pure speculation.
Who would take Outlaw's contract even if it's an expiring one?
Do you remember what did the Rockets give for dumping of Rice's expiring contract?
Chaplin
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He was a damn sight better than ANYTHING this Polish no-name has done. I mean, you can go off all you want about how bad Big Jake is, but you have nothing to support why what we got in return was any better than what we had. Right?
hcsilla
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This would be his 4th season in NBA and the min. contract for him would be 663.679 $.
hcsilla
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I copy one part of my previous post in this thread since you probably didn't read it.
"Trybanski was a NOBODY in Europe.Even the craziest Eurobaskets fans haven't any idea about him.
He was a role player for a "nothing special" polish team. He wasn't a polish national player.
I never understood why West gave him a 5 mil./3 year contract maybe he saw something in Trybanski which anyone else did not.
Right now Tsakalidis HAS TO BE a MUCH better player than Trybanski because Tsakalidis is a starting C for a much better european national team while Trybanski is not a national player.
Since we all know how good is Tsakalidis this fact determines how big will be Trybanski's impact on Suns' play this coming season.
It will be ZERO I'm sure.
Only for the record I saw 2 games of the greek national team in Eurobasket and Tsakalidis was their starting C.
Big Jake was much bigger than his opponents and he still had difficulties with the low-post scoring.
He was a more important factor of their defense but he usually got quick fouls partially because of the different officiating in Europe.
All in all he seemed to be more athletic but it was hardly imaginable that he will become more than a role-playing borderline starter C in NBA----which is definitely more than you can expect from Trybanski right now and in the future as well."
elindholm
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Do you remember what did the Rockets give for dumping of Rice's expiring contract?
Yes, they took on John Amaechi, who has two years left totaling $5.4 million.
This does not seem like a big price to move out a $9.6 million contract.
Yes, they took on John Amaechi, who has two years left totaling $5.4 million.
This does not seem like a big price to move out a $9.6 million contract.
slinslin
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The Rockets also gave a first round pick.
Chaplin
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I know, I remember your post, that's why this one confused me--you seem to support Jake vs. Tryblinski, but then you start talking about reasons that Jake was bad...
My bad, but I knew of your previous post.
hcsilla
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Plus they gave 2 CHI's 2nd rounders for SAC's 2nd rounder.
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I think that this trade was a pure salary dump move from the Suns.
They didn't consider Trybanski as a promising C prospect, they probably had simply to take Trybanski's contract.
As I said no way that Trybanski is close to Jake's level which is a sad thing for us.
But Suns' management seemed to be given up on Tsakalidis (I'm not happy but I can accept that, not that Colangelo would have needed my opininon..) and then it was a logical move to sacrifice Tsakalidis for dumping of Outlaw's contract.
BTW, I didn't say that Jake was bad I said only that he wasn't that impressibe in Euro2003.
Chaplin
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Don't you think in this league we could have got something better for Bo and Jake?
slinslin
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No.
I didn't even think we could get rid of Outlaw's contract for a better contract without giving up something valueable.
I didn't even think we could get rid of Outlaw's contract for a better contract without giving up something valueable.
Chaplin
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Hey, Joe Smith and Anthony Peeler (who was waived) netted the Timberwolves Sam Cassel. That was a good trade. So don't tell me there was nobody who would make a better offer.
slinslin
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Milwaukee saved money with that deal because of a clause in Peeler's contract that allowed them to cut him.
And Joe Smith is better than Bo Outlaw.
And Joe Smith is better than Bo Outlaw.
Chaplin
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Is Joe Smith better than Bo AND Jake? And let's face it, if Joe Smith is better than Bo, it ain't by much.
Suns_fan69
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I'm with Chap here...
Somewhere out there, there must have been a better deal at some point. To do this so late in the offseason doesn't make any sense to me. Im sure we could have offered something to the Jazz who had to take on salary at some point, and then still have some talent left to be able to wisely use the savings (not that Dermarr isn't a good gamble).
Im still ho hum about this.
Somewhere out there, there must have been a better deal at some point. To do this so late in the offseason doesn't make any sense to me. Im sure we could have offered something to the Jazz who had to take on salary at some point, and then still have some talent left to be able to wisely use the savings (not that Dermarr isn't a good gamble).
Im still ho hum about this.
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It might be that this deal has been on the burner for a while.
There were rumors that Jerry West was angling to have enough free space to sign Kobe next summer. This obviously indicates that the Grizz have given up on signing a high profile FA next summer.
Wonder if Jerry W thinks Kobe is going to jail?
There were rumors that Jerry West was angling to have enough free space to sign Kobe next summer. This obviously indicates that the Grizz have given up on signing a high profile FA next summer.
Wonder if Jerry W thinks Kobe is going to jail?
Chaplin
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I think this trade actually hurts them more than helps them when it comes to this. Bo adds over 5 million to their cap next year (and that's without resigning Jake, if they end up doing that). Two of the three guys we got have expiring contracts after this year and one is only going to be paid 1.7 or whatever next year. So, really, assuming they resign Jake, they're going to have 7 million or more dollars on their cap they WOULDN'T have had if they hadn't done the trade.
So financially for the Grizz, if they are going to go after Kobe, it makes LESS sense.
hcsilla
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Maybe.Maybe not.
I agree with slinslin, you have to give something if you want a better contract instead of Outlaw's.
That something was Tsakalidis.
That didn't make you happy (neither me) but it probably was not too high prize.
