Channing Frye

[coloradosun]

I talk about the Draft more than anybody on this board, I've wanted to say for sometime - I know I'm no expert but that I just follow Draft a lot since my H.S days. Trades and Free Agency are fun too but for whatever reason, I can't wait come Draft time (around my birthday as well). And the Playoffs but all fans enjoy the games, just the Draft is a tiny bit different...

I enjoy the offseason more than the regular season and the playoffs, I would rather be a GM than a coach. So I probably scout players more than worry about the outcome of the game.

 

[kps0001]

That's just plain not true. Channing Frye has been considered all year as one of the top 5 "bigs" in college basketball. He has been far from "average", especially in college basketball this season.

the stats from both of them in senior year are not much different. Frye averaged 2.6 more pts, 1.1 more rebs, every other stat pretty equal.

Where are you seeing this huge difference in the 2 players? I hope he does good in NBA but I see him as being below avg.

 

[George O'Brien]

the stats from both of them in senior year are not much different. Frye averaged 2.6 more pts, 1.1 more rebs, every other stat pretty equal.

Where are you seeing this huge difference in the 2 players? I hope he does good in NBA but I see him as being below avg.

Frye is taller and led the Pac 10 in blocked shots. He's not that athletic, but does have good timing and is considerably better than average as a passer. He's used to playing in an up tempo offense and is a solid shooter.

None the less, unless he gets a lot stronger I don't see him as more than a backup center.

 

[Chaz]

the stats from both of them in senior year are not much different. Frye averaged 2.6 more pts, 1.1 more rebs, every other stat pretty equal.

Where are you seeing this huge difference in the 2 players? I hope he does good in NBA but I see him as being below avg.

What the stats don't show is the inconsistancy of Woods. He would have a completely dominating performance followed by a disappearing act.

Frye is a much more solid player than Woods even though Woods may have as much or even more talent. Woods was an amazing and dominating shot blocker at times.
The problem with Woods was you never knew what you were going to get.

Frye has shown some range and maturity this season. If he gets stronger and continue to work on his game he can be a very good NBA player.

 

[kps0001]

Frye is taller and led the Pac 10 in blocked shots. He's not that athletic, but does have good timing and is considerably better than average as a passer. He's used to playing in an up tempo offense and is a solid shooter.

None the less, unless he gets a lot stronger I don't see him as more than a backup center.

Frye is 6'11, Woods is 7' 1".

Woods Senior year avg. blocks were 2.9 down from 3.9 year before. Frye senior year 2.6 down from 3.0 jr year.

 

[Chaplin]

Woods had odd health issues, whereas Frye does not. I don't know the difference in weight, but Frye certainly is heavier--Woods could be explosive, but like I said earlier, he was a headcase beanpole. Frye is neither. Heck, Frye has even had a better college career--if you're going to bring up stats, why don't you quote how many games they played in an Arizona uniform? Woods missed an entire season.

 

[kps0001]

Woods also transferred from Wake because of a guy named Tim Duncan.

But 55 games to be exact.

Woods also outperformed Frye in the tournament. To me that is huge. Frye is not gonna be good in the pros you guys are smoking something.

 

[Chaplin]

Woods also transferred from Wake because of a guy named Tim Duncan.

But 55 games to be exact.

Woods also outperformed Frye in the tournament. To me that is huge. Frye is not gonna be good in the pros you guys are smoking something.

Please enlighten us about how Woods outperformed Frye. That's a total generalization. Frye had a great tournament this year.

Nobody said Frye is going to be a starter--but nobody said that about Voskuhl either. Do you think Jake Voskuhl was better at UConn then Frye was at Arizona??

 

[Cheesebeef]

Frye IMO willbe a mediocre back-up big man - he's just too soft and smallish to make it in the pros.

 

[kps0001]

Please enlighten us about how Woods outperformed Frye. That's a total generalization. Frye had a great tournament this year.

Nobody said Frye is going to be a starter--but nobody said that about Voskuhl either. Do you think Jake Voskuhl was better at UConn then Frye was at Arizona??

Had impressive NCAA Tournament, averaging 16.0 points, 7.7 rebounds and 4.0 blocks to earn All-Midwest Regional Team and All-Final Four Team honors.
Totaled seven blocks in Regional Final against Illinois, the fourth-best mark in NCAA history.
In championship game vs. Duke, had 22 points, 11 rebounds and title-game record four blocks.

got info from here


IMO Voskuhl is a below avg player, same as Frye will be same as Woods.

 

[Chaplin]

Had impressive NCAA Tournament, averaging 16.0 points, 7.7 rebounds and 4.0 blocks to earn All-Midwest Regional Team and All-Final Four Team honors.
Totaled seven blocks in Regional Final against Illinois, the fourth-best mark in NCAA history.
In championship game vs. Duke, had 22 points, 11 rebounds and title-game record four blocks.

got info from here


IMO Voskuhl is a below avg player, same as Frye will be same as Woods.

Um, and Frye? Where are his lower statistics, thus proving he is not as good a player? And that talks about just one tournament. What about the others?

 

[devilalum]

This thread makes me sick.

The fact that we're all discussing a marginal first rounder like Frye is sad when you consider that the Suns gave up either Iggy or Deng for him.

Of course that's what happens when you trade a #6 for a #20 pick.

 

[Cheesebeef]

This thread makes me sick.

The fact that we're all discussing a marginal first rounder like Frye is sad when you consider that the Suns gave up either Iggy or Deng for him.

Of course that's what happens when you trade a #6 for a #20 pick.

you mean trade a #6 pick for Q and a pick 11 spots higher in a year where we have the best record in the league and are one of four main contenders for the title - yeah - what a horrible trade!

 

[George O'Brien]

The Suns gave up their draft pick to get the cap space to sign Q and get a draft pick they used for Vroman who was later traded for JJax.

If the Suns want a lottery pick, they can trade for a 2006 pick and gamble again.

 

[Chaplin]

This thread makes me sick.

The fact that we're all discussing a marginal first rounder like Frye is sad when you consider that the Suns gave up either Iggy or Deng for him.

Of course that's what happens when you trade a #6 for a #20 pick.

It's posts like this that should make you sick.

Perhaps some people here are so used to 50-and-out that they just can't fathom that we are tied for the best record in the NBA.

Relax. It's not a dream! Seriously!

Oh and Portland should have taken Michael Jordan too, right?

 

[kps0001]

Frye

Um, and Frye? Where are his lower statistics, thus proving he is not as good a player? And that talks about just one tournament. What about the others?

Dude whats up with the antagonistic attitude? Mad, I guess because you are being proven wrong. Did you not watch the tourney? Did Frye do anything remotely close to that? maybe close but nothing near any better. Which I stated previously "woods outperformed Frye in tourney" is all. Nowhere did I say or lead you on to think I am comparing Woods to Frye as Jordan to someone say Paul Shirley. I am comparing senior seasons in the past few posts, did you not catch that part? I am not a scout but I am sure they look at the most current performances in the tourney alot more than say soph or jr years. I am not putting forth the effort to list all the stats because it is obvious to me that the players are almost of equal talent and will have similar pro careers. Not to say those earlier tourny performances are ignored but more or less along the lines of "what have you done lately".


Get off my case unless you can disprove anything I have stated, which you can't. Come back here next year and we will discuss after Frye doesn't do squat in the NBA. Because right now it is useless for you to try to argue this with me.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Dude whats up with the antagonistic attitude? Mad, I guess because you are being proven wrong. Did you not watch the tourney? Did Frye do anything remotely close to that? maybe close but nothing near any better. Which I stated previously "woods outperformed Frye in tourney" is all. Nowhere did I say or lead you on to think I am comparing Woods to Frye as Jordan to someone say Paul Shirley. I am comparing senior seasons in the past few posts, did you not catch that part? I am not a scout but I am sure they look at the most current performances in the tourney alot more than say soph or jr years. I am not putting forth the effort to list all the stats because it is obvious to me that the players are almost of equal talent and will have similar pro careers. Not to say those earlier tourny performances are ignored but more or less along the lines of "what have you done lately".


Get off my case unless you can disprove anything I have stated, which you can't. Come back here next year and we will discuss after Frye doesn't do squat in the NBA. Because right now it is useless for you to try to argue this with me.

you know - Frye did average 16 and 10 for the tourney leading a pretty weak UA team to the brink of the Final 4 - as opposed to Woods(who also played very well in the tourney) but was arguably on the most gifted and talented UA team ever assembled.

I think it's a wash between the two guys personally and like Woods, Frye will be a below average backup in the pros.

 

[Chaplin]

Get off my case unless you can disprove anything I have stated, which you can't. Come back here next year and we will discuss after Frye doesn't do squat in the NBA. Because right now it is useless for you to try to argue this with me.

All you've proven is that Woods had a good tournament in 97. I'm not disputing that. Other than that, your arguement has no basis in fact except that Woods is better than Frye. But you give no evidence that you are correct.

It sure is useless to argue with you because you just don't have a good arguement. Most likely because you have no idea what you're talking about. You may think Frye won't do well in the NBA, and you are entitled to that opinion. Myself, I don't know how he'll do. To me it's a tossup. My beef is that you boldly proclaim Loren Woods (who is a terrible pro) is better than Frye with no evidence to back it up save Woods' bio from 3 weeks in March 1997.

 

[PhxGametime]

I'm going to start a Thread about how Ike won't make it in NBA


Seriously, how about Drafting small and then in 2nd Round Drafting a Joe Kleine clone in Dawid Przybyszewski from Vanderbilt He made 48 3PTers at a .43 PCT while being 7'2 and 253 pounds.


He's not a great rebounder, so the Suns would still need a 3/4 Marion clone to help on boards in 1st.

Stoudemire F/C
Marion F
Richardson G/F
Johnson G/F
Nash PG

Jackson G/F
Warrick F
Barbosa G
Hunter C
Voskuhl C
Przybyszewski C
Shirley PF

Deep at SG, SF, PF, and C

 

[George O'Brien]

This discussion seems to be running in circles. It might be easier if we break down the different issues.

1. Will Frye make it in the NBA? Most centers don't, at least not right away. Playing center is very hard and most fail. Rafael Araujo was the 8th pick in the draft and is very strong, but his numbers were hardly impressive in the 48 of the team's 68 games.

Rafael Araujo
Toronto Raptors
Position: C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 280
College : Brigham Young
Player file | Team stats

2004-05 Statistics
PPG 3.3
RPG 3.4
APG .3
SPG .31
BPG .17
FG% .419
FT% .846
3P% .500
MPG 12.4

Araujo is hardly an exception. Drafting a center is usually a major gamble and most don't succeed. Most others do modestly well, but nothing outstanding. A tiny few become really good and have the ability to change the nature of their teams. Taking Frye would be a gamble, but so would every other center including Bogut be something of gamble. It is the nature of the NBA.

2. If Frye a terrible prospect? Compared to whom? I think he has as much potential as Chris Kaman showed cominging in the NBA. Kaman can score has good rebounding numbers, 6.7 rpg in 25.6 minutes but is not very good on defense. Frye is a quicker but lacks Kaman's bulk.

Likewise, I think Frye would soon be better than Voskuhl. Jake is not that strong and lacks Frye's offensive skills.

3. Should Frye be compared to Loren Woods? About all they have in common is that they played for U of A. There are skinny, long armed centers like Camby and Ratliff who have made it in the NBA dispite not being very strong. There are innumerable other guys with great college careers that have fallen apart. Woods is just one guy with character problems. Why fixate on him?

4. Should the Suns take Frye? My guess is that there are will be some other players available when they pick who would be able to contribute more than Frye. I like Frye, but I think there are some guys who could contribute right away and I don't think Frye would.

In any case, this is all opinion. It is hardly the basis for hostility.

 

[devilalum]

you mean trade a #6 pick for Q and a pick 11 spots higher in a year where we have the best record in the league and are one of four main contenders for the title - yeah - what a horrible trade!

And Pearl Harbor was great because we eventually won the war.

This logic doesn't make any sense. The Suns didn't trade their 6th pick away because they knew they would get Q. They traded it away because they thought Iggy would be off the board and they thought Chicago would stink and they'd have a lotto pick this year.

Getting Q was a lucky coincidence it was not part of some great master plan.


The Suns did not trade the 6th pick for Quentin Richardson.

The Suns could have got 2 first rounders for the #6 from a team in the middle of the pack but they made this deal because they thought the Bulls would continue to stink. I'm as happy as anybody that the Suns are doing great but I'm not going to pretend like they made some great deal with Chicago. The fact is they made a bad deal and things just happened to turn out great in spite of it.

 

[kps0001]

Fry and this crazy Chaplin guy

All you've proven is that Woods had a good tournament in 97. I'm not disputing that. Other than that, your arguement has no basis in fact except that Woods is better than Frye. But you give no evidence that you are correct.

It sure is useless to argue with you because you just don't have a good arguement. Most likely because you have no idea what you're talking about. You may think Frye won't do well in the NBA, and you are entitled to that opinion. Myself, I don't know how he'll do. To me it's a tossup. My beef is that you boldly proclaim Loren Woods (who is a terrible pro) is better than Frye with no evidence to back it up save Woods' bio from 3 weeks in March 1997.

you obviously have read nothing I posted or are unable to comprehend what I am saying. I "boldly proclaim Loren Woods is better"? You need remedial reading. Show me where I uttered anything close to that whatsoever, except that I said he outperformed him in tourney. Get real and try to pick a fight with someone else, because that is purely all your are trying to accomplish. But I am dying to see where in this thread I boldly proclaimed. Enlighten me.


Get over yourself. Sorry Charlie you lose.

 

[Cheesebeef]

And Pearl Harbor was great because we eventually won the war.

This logic doesn't make any sense. The Suns didn't trade their 6th pick away because they knew they would get Q. They traded it away because they thought Iggy would be off the board and they thought Chicago would stink and they'd have a lotto pick this year.

Getting Q was a lucky coincidence it was not part of some great master plan.


The Suns did not trade the 6th pick for Quentin Richardson.

The Suns could have got 2 first rounders for the #6 from a team in the middle of the pack but they made this deal because they thought the Bulls would continue to stink. I'm as happy as anybody that the Suns are doing great but I'm not going to pretend like they made some great deal with Chicago. The fact is they made a bad deal and things just happened to turn out great in spite of it.

it's a joke if you don't think part of the reason we traded that pick was to open up more cap room to sign TWO players - and thus create the beast which we have created.

 

[Cheesebeef]

you obviously have read nothing I posted or are unable to comprehend what I am saying. I "boldly proclaim Loren Woods is better"? You need remedial reading. Show me where I uttered anything close to that whatsoever, except that I said he outperformed him in tourney. Get real and try to pick a fight with someone else, because that is purely all your are trying to accomplish. But I am dying to see where in this thread I boldly proclaimed. Enlighten me.


Get over yourself. Sorry Charlie you lose.

you do realize that Frye stats were better than Woods in the tourney this year, right?

How exactly did you beat Chap there? If anything - it's a draw.

 

[George O'Brien]

And Pearl Harbor was great because we eventually won the war.

This logic doesn't make any sense. The Suns didn't trade their 6th pick away because they knew they would get Q. They traded it away because they thought Iggy would be off the board and they thought Chicago would stink and they'd have a lotto pick this year.

Getting Q was a lucky coincidence it was not part of some great master plan.


The Suns did not trade the 6th pick for Quentin Richardson.

The Suns could have got 2 first rounders for the #6 from a team in the middle of the pack but they made this deal because they thought the Bulls would continue to stink. I'm as happy as anybody that the Suns are doing great but I'm not going to pretend like they made some great deal with Chicago. The fact is they made a bad deal and things just happened to turn out great in spite of it.

Maybe they did think the Bulls would stink, but they were certainly wanted the cap space. They paid a lot to get rid of White so they would have cap space, but it was not enough if they had to tie up space with their draft pick.

Also, I think they were pretty clear that Q was on their radar from the start. They knew that Manu would not be available and Turk would not really work. They were taking a huge risk that they might not even be able to use the cap space if Q had been matched. But it was the Clippers...

The claim that they thought Iggy would not be available and so they traded their pick has never been confirmed (to best of my knowledge). The truth is that Iggy did not have a reputation for being a good three point shooter. I wanted him for his defense rather than his offense.

In any case, there was a real risk that the Bulls would be so bad the Suns would not get their pick since the top three slots were protected.