Channing Frye

[WizardOfAz]

Loren Woods was very good early in the season and then just disappeared. He might be like Hunter of a year ago, but his reputation makes that seem unlikely.

And yet he is still averaging more rebounds per game than Hunter is.

 

[Chaplin]

And yet he is still averaging more rebounds per game than Hunter is.

I hope that doesn't mean you prefer Woods over Hunter...

 

[WizardOfAz]

I hope that doesn't mean you prefer Woods over Hunter...

No. I'll just hope for more effective rebounding from Hunter I guess.

 

[PhxGametime]

Stephen Jackson never attended UofA.


Frye isn't my first option but I like his game. Frye can play Center, where he'd have plenty of speed and quickness. His rebounding numbers aren't that bad considering the talent on team and minutes played. Decent shot-blocker, contributes in assists and steals. Steven Hunter with a jumpshot, that can play the 4... where the likes of Duncan, Garnett, Brand, Martin, Nowitski, Gasol, Swift, Camby, Nene, Magloire, Abdur-Rahim, Randolph, Boozer, etc. all reside.

Other than Ming (not too many Prospects in Draft could stop regardless), he has the defensive ability, height, and length to give these players fits ala a Hunter... but with more offensive ability and rebounding. I'm not worried about getting some 260 pounder to throw his body around, most fans I know complained about Jahidi White and that type of Prospect doesn't fit the system unless A. he has height B. has the athleticism.

Mensah-Bonsu is the only good to great athlete, available around #20 but he's raw and at only 6'9 and not the biggest of guy. I really wouldn't mind him on team but he doesn't have a game outside the paint right now, Frye does.

Frye can help team, in the area's Hunter lacks right now and would be a decent tag team duo. Can play the 4 and 5... which gives team another body if Stoudemire or Marion are out or in foul trouble.


Suns don't really need a 30 PT scorer but a rebounder that fits the defensive system that can score, to stay on court. I like Granger and Warrick at the 3/4 because the can rebound and score to stay on court and play multiple positions. Contribute in all area's and both have a little more size than Marion, which makes Marion available at the SG position incase of injury (Suns are deep there but still).


I'm starting to think, maybe other than Deron Williams and Raymond Felton, with Milos Vujanic possibly coming aboard as well... that Suns don't need a PG. Barbosa is starting to impress and rebounding is most important right now.

 

[Gaddabout]

Decent shot-blocker, contributes in assists and steals. Steven Hunter with a jumpshot, that can play the 4...

No, no, no, no ... no. [shaking head violently] Now you're just getting carried away.

If Frye were "Steven Hunter with a jumpshot" he would be a lottery pick. Frye is more like the offensive version of Hunter. In the NBA, Frye's shot-blocking skills and athleticism don't compare to Hunter's, IMO. Say what you want about Hunter's basketball IQ and offensive skills, but he is definately one of the better shot-blocking centers in the game. He just has a hard time doing the other important things that would afford the Suns to play him more minutes ... like rebound consistently and hit free throws more often than not.

Blocking 6-6 college shooting guards on the weakside is not the same as blocking 6-10 behemoths in the NBA facing up.

 

[NickelBack]

If Frye were "Steven Hunter with a jumpshot" he would be a lottery pick.

So, then, where does he go in the upcoming draft?

 

[coloradosun]

We all raving about Lampe being a great fit with Amare, a 6'10 guy with a great shooting touch to pull out the opponents big man.

Kevin Pittsnogle from West Virginia kind of reminded me of what we expected out of Lampe. That kid could shoot and had no fear at all. He seemed to have a lot of court savvy. I am not suggesting that he is 1st round material at this time and not even sure if he would consider to come out this year. If he is available with a late first rounder next year, he could make for an interesting player for the Suns.

 

[SweetD]

We all raving about Lampe being a great fit with Amare, a 6'10 guy with a great shooting touch to pull out the opponents big man.

Kevin Pittsnogle from West Virginia kind of reminded me of what we expected out of Lampe. That kid could shoot and had no fear at all. He seemed to have a lot of court savvy. I am not suggesting that he is 1st round material at this time and not even sure if he would consider to come out this year. If he is available with a late first rounder next year, he could make for an interesting player for the Suns.

Why not just pick up Lampe again? He is not getting any minutes in NO and is a free agent next year. Why not pick him up for a vet min. IMO we need to move Jake next summer I like the guy but he doesn't fit into what the Suns are doing now.

Edit his contract is not up until 07 Scratch that idea.

 

[PhxGametime]

In College against 6'6 shooting guards, Hunter put up the same amount of BLKS that Channing Frye has... plus unlike say a team like asu ( ) - UofA schedules 1 of the toughest non-conference schedules around.

He's not as tall as Hunter, and Hunter might be a better shot-blocker in NBA but IMO Frye with offensive ability (while not being great, even if all he has better is FT and a better jumphshot) he demands more time and stays on floor... along with being a better rebounder (Hunter was 5.6 in College). Their both quick, at that size... Frye puts up better assist and steal numbers than Hunter. Actually across the board better stats. Both run the court...

It could depend on if Channing Frye does measure at 6'11 or around there but I compared him to Hunter (who's a role player). I'm not sure why I can't peg Frye as 1 of my choices, he's not even in my top-10 probably but IMO will be a solid role player. Yes I do like Steven Hunter, I was 1 of the members before season started as a great pick-up but IMO Frye is near that level while not having the weaknesses.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In College against 6'6 shooting guards, Hunter put up the same amount of BLKS that Channing Frye has... plus unlike say a team like asu ( ) - UofA schedules 1 of the toughest non-conference schedules around.

He's not as tall as Hunter, and Hunter might be a better shot-blocker in NBA but IMO Frye with offensive ability (while not being great, even if all he has better is FT and a better jumphshot) he demands more time and stays on floor... along with being a better rebounder (Hunter was 5.6 in College). Their both quick, at that size... Frye puts up better assist and steal numbers than Hunter. Actually across the board better stats. Both run the court...

It could depend on if Channing Frye does measure at 6'11 or around there but I compared him to Hunter (who's a role player). I'm not sure why I can't peg Frye as 1 of my choices, he's not even in my top-10 probably but IMO will be a solid role player. Yes I do like Steven Hunter, I was 1 of the members before season started as a great pick-up but IMO Frye is near that level while not having the weaknesses.

didn't hunter come out after his freshman year or sophomore year? so you're comparing his frosh/soph year to channing's senior year? comparing college stats is meaningless. hunter is an adequate defensive role player. channing is soft, soft, SOFT, SOFT.

 

[Chaplin]

didn't hunter come out after his freshman year or sophomore year? so you're comparing his frosh/soph year to channing's senior year? comparing college stats is meaningless. hunter is an adequate defensive role player. channing is soft, soft, SOFT, SOFT.

Have you watched him this year? He's definitely not a bruiser, but he's not the Pillsbury Dough Boy that you're making him out to be.

 

[Lefty]

Bennet had more talent and less character than any player I can remember. During his days with the Lakers it looked like he would become a real stud, but just refused to work and was soon out of the league. What a waste.

My concern with Frye is that he reminds me too much of Jared Jeffries. He has skills, but is not quick enough for the outside while not tough enough for the inside. If Frye is smart, he will spend about six hours a day in the weight room preparing for team workouts.

Richard Dumas had a lot of talent but he let drugs destroy his life.

 

[F-Dog]

Frye is awfully soft for my liking. I saw him described as 'Brian Cook with less range', and it hit uncomfortably close to home IMO.

He's more of a shot-blocker than Diogu, but both of them are timing blockers--neither has that super length and/or athleticism that translates to blocking shots in the NBA. Frye's shooting is good for a center, but barely above average for a PF, so he's not worth much if he can't play C.


The question I always ask about PF/Cs is, "how does player X match up against P.J. Brown in his prime?", and with Frye, I think he gets dominated: he couldn't handle P.J.'s physicality, and he doesn't have anything in his offensive game that P.J. would have trouble defending. JMHO as always, of course.

 

[PhxGametime]

What makes Hunter legit and Frye soft? Getting pushed around in paint? Hunter is a bruiser? Hunter isn't exactly lighting it up rebounding? IMO there is probably more complaints from Magic fans about the game upstairs from Hunter, than UofA fans over Frye? I really like Hunter but he is as thin as Frye and Suns will double team regardless. Hunter is actually 1 of my top 7 favorite players on team but I'm not sure how Hunter is a bruiser and Frye is soft? Is it because he's from UofA?


Let me guess, we should Draft Ike Diogu?

 

[kps0001]

Loren Woods was a headcase beanpole. Channing is neither. He's not huge, but he not Loren Woods.

I simply comparing the fact that they are/were both average college players that we will be asking "what happened to?" in a couple of years in the league.

I don't think he will do anything in the pro's. We shall see I guess.

 

[Chaplin]

Hunter is thinner than Frye this year.

 

[Chaplin]

I simply comparing the fact that they are/were both average college players that we will be asking "what happened to?" in a couple of years in the league.

That's just plain not true. Channing Frye has been considered all year as one of the top 5 "bigs" in college basketball. He has been far from "average", especially in college basketball this season.

 

[PhxGametime]

The question I always ask about PF/Cs is, "how does player X match up against P.J. Brown in his prime?", and with Frye, I think he gets dominated: he couldn't handle P.J.'s physicality, and he doesn't have anything in his offensive game that P.J. would have trouble defending. JMHO as always, of course.

The question I'm asking is who's at #17 that fits your criteria? It's obviously not Ike Diogu... I'm not looking for someone to score on P.J Brown. I'm looking for someone that has the best shot... (whether: height, length, size, athleticism) to stop the talent in the West.

Frye is at least 6'11, probably has the length at that height, and IMO has a better shot gaining 5 pounds with length and DECENT athleticism to stop those players mentioned.

The 6'8 250 LB bruiser, doesn't have the ability to stop that type of player, other than 2nd teamers or maybe Elton Brand. I don't see the 6'8 leaps above the gym Prospect that others are talking about?

Frye and Tiago Splitter IMO have the size, length, and some taste of athleticism to at least contain some of those players...

I've mentioned that the athletic jumps out of gym Prospects are 3/4's ala a Shawn Marion type and I wouldn't mind another Marion and have at least 4 of those types rated higher but only Sheldin Williams fits some of the defensive traits and maybe a Taj Gray offensively (as of right now is staying in school).

 

[Gaddabout]

What makes Hunter legit and Frye soft? Getting pushed around in paint? Hunter is a bruiser? Hunter isn't exactly lighting it up rebounding? IMO there is probably more complaints from Magic fans about the game upstairs from Hunter, than UofA fans over Frye? I really like Hunter but he is as thin as Frye and Suns will double team regardless. Hunter is actually 1 of my top 7 favorite players on team but I'm not sure how Hunter is a bruiser and Frye is soft? Is it because he's from UofA?


Let me guess, we should Draft Ike Diogu?

First, let's set the record straight so I don't get lumped into a crowd. I'm not the one calling Frye soft. I am, however, objecting to comparing Frye's defense with Hunter's. At one point Hunter was the league leader in blocks per minute. He is a shot blocker. That's what he does. Frye is not a shot blocker. Frye is a scorer who will sometimes collect some blocked shots. Hunter is a shot blocker who will sometimes collect some points.

That said, I have lobbied for Ike Diogu and stated I wouldn't mind Frye at No. 20 or wherever we end up. I think both would be productive backups for their relative strengths. Neither are my first choice, but I think if you go in with the mindset you have to draft somebody who's going to make your team and improve your bench now, those two guys would be totally acceptable with the pick.

My only objection is the suggestion Frye has some kind of an all-around game. That's just not true, and if he did, people would be talking about him like they talk about Bogut.

 

[F-Dog]

What makes Hunter legit and Frye soft? Getting pushed around in paint? Hunter is a bruiser? Hunter isn't exactly lighting it up rebounding? IMO there is probably more complaints from Magic fans about the game upstairs from Hunter, than UofA fans over Frye? I really like Hunter but he is as thin as Frye and Suns will double team regardless. Hunter is actually 1 of my top 7 favorite players on team but I'm not sure how Hunter is a bruiser and Frye is soft? Is it because he's from UofA?


Let me guess, we should Draft Ike Diogu?

Hunter isn't a bruiser, but it looks to me like he's got several inches on Frye. He's probably more athletic than Frye, too.

Besides, I wouldn't use Steven Hunter as an example of a solid mid-first-round draft choice.

 

[George O'Brien]

PJ Brown in his prime would be the first pick in this year's draft. Unfortunately, there is no one close to his ability in the early lottery much less the middle of the first round.

We don't really know who will be available at the 19-20 slot the Suns are likely to end up with. I assume the Suns will go for a "best player available". In any case, I can't imagine anyone taken at that slot would be more than a role player on the Suns squad next season.

Frye? He might be a replacement if Jake gets traded.
Diogu? He might turn into a Malik Rose dirt worker - Bo who can shoot.

I can see value in both but neither get my juices flowing.

 

[PhxGametime]

And no Josh Boone won't be available...

 

[F-Dog]

The 6'8 250 LB bruiser, doesn't have the ability to stop that type of player, other than 2nd teamers or maybe Elton Brand. I don't see the 6'8 leaps above the gym Prospect that others are talking about?

Sorry, I didn't realize I was supposed to find a big-time PF/C for the Suns to draft with Chicago's pick.


Seriously, if there's a quality big out there for the Suns to draft, he'll either be foreign (Bargnani) or a headcase (Villanueva) or both (Aleksandrov). What I'm hoping is that they'll either lock up a foreigner early or go small.

 

[coloradosun]

Hunter isn't a bruiser, but it looks to me like he's got several inches on Frye. He's probably more athletic than Frye, too.

Besides, I wouldn't use Steven Hunter as an example of a solid mid-first-round draft choice.

Hunter is athletic but not quite as coordinated as he could be, he is light on his feet.

Frye is very heavy footed, just does not jump very high or quickly and is definitely slower than Hunter.

If both Hunter and Frye were on the same NBA team, I think Hunter would start for his defense and Frye would come off the bench for his offense.

 

[PhxGametime]

I talk about the Draft more than anybody on this board, I've wanted to say for sometime - I know I'm no expert but that I just follow Draft a lot since my H.S days. Trades and Free Agency are fun too but for whatever reason, I can't wait come Draft time (around my birthday as well). And the Playoffs but all fans enjoy the games, just the Draft is a tiny bit different...