Charlie Casserly just mentioned the possibity of the Cards getting Manning

[TJ]

If he was getting all those ad deals while living in Indianapolis, what makes you think he couldn't get them living in the 5th largest city in the US (Phoenix)?

5th largest, but the PHX market in terms of television exposure isn't nearly that big (ask Matt Self, he can break it down better than I).

Sure it'd be an upgrade, but we're talking about Peyton living in New York. The sky is the limit for endorsement deals there.

 

[Darkside]

He's Peyton Manning, boot-lickers will follow with endorsements. Without a doubt.

(I'm thinking of Charles Barkley when he came here and made a killing in endorsements)

(Chris Sanders is right, what he wrote a bit ago back there, that it would be tremendous for our city and the fans. We may even kick some Dallas fans out of our stadium)

 

[40yearfan]

5th largest, but the PHX market in terms of television exposure isn't nearly that big (ask Matt Self, he can break it down better than I).

Sure it'd be an upgrade, but we're talking about Peyton living in New York. The sky is the limit for endorsement deals there.

When it comes to a superstar, location has very little to do with endorsement deals. And think about it. If he went to NY, they don't even have a domed stadium. He'd freeze his kiester off.

 

[oaken1]

Also....I do not believe that even NY is big enough for two Mannings

 

[Darkside]

And actually the endorsements would swarm on AZ for Peyton Manning. New Jersey's, new shoes, new hats, new everything. It's all new money to them. They'd eat it up.

 

[az1965]

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34262926

Here's the corresponding article.

We can all dream... can't we?

 

[WildBB]

I dont see why its that farfetched for these reasons:

1. I think hed really appreciate playing with a hall of famer Larry, and a hall of fame person
2. I think he likes playing for a smaller market city.
3. Good weather
4. Cards have real potential

Where else would he go?

Jets - doubt it, doubt they would pay him either.
Seattle - Cards have a lot more to like than SEA
Baltimore? Doubt it

I dont know where else, everyone else filled vacancies with some good rookies this year

Miami.

 

[az1965]

I'm not sure Manning is capable of running Whiz's offensive scheme.

He doesn't have to... he can run his own offensive schemes like Warner did.

 

[DoTheDew]

FWIW, the Colts are meeting with Manning to discuss his future. It will be a mutual discussion. The nature of the conversation, IMO, is going to go something like this:

"Look, we're drafting Luck. He's our future. We intend to start him before this season is over. We're going to start rebuilding. We'd like to keep Wayne and some of these other guys. That's not going to happen with that 27 million dollar bonus you have. If you want to stay and mentor Luck and let him take over for you by the middle of the season, then we'll do that. If not, we're going to cut you. Whatever you decide, you'll always have a place in our hearts and we're retiring your jersey A.S.A.P."

Peyton will look at that, mull it over. He'll talk to some medical professionals. If he has a clean bill of health, he'll say "well look, I'd really like to go for one more SB. I understand you have to take Luck and start over. Please let me free." If he doesn't get that clean bill he'll say "hey I think I'm just going to retire." or "alright, I'll rework my deal and just be the backup and help you develop Luck. Also, I'd like some assurance that I'll have a place in this organization after I retire (be it coaching, GM, VP, whatever)."

The only thing that I can't see happening, is Peyton being back on the Colts next year without a reworked deal. Now, as this applies to the theory that he could be on the Cards (or some other team), he will be cut. He can't be traded before his bonus triggers. If he doesn't rework his deal, I'll bet my life he will be cut. $27+ million is far too much of the cap to pay for a player when you already know you have his replacement on the roster.

 

[Shane]

FWIW, the Colts are meeting with Manning to discuss his future. It will be a mutual discussion. The nature of the conversation, IMO, is going to go something like this:

"Look, we're drafting Luck. He's our future. We intend to start him before this season is over. We're going to start rebuilding. We'd like to keep Wayne and some of these other guys. That's not going to happen with that 27 million dollar bonus you have. If you want to stay and mentor Luck and let him take over for you by the middle of the season, then we'll do that. If not, we're going to cut you. Whatever you decide, you'll always have a place in our hearts and we're retiring your jersey A.S.A.P."

Peyton will look at that, mull it over. He'll talk to some medical professionals. If he has a clean bill of health, he'll say "well look, I'd really like to go for one more SB. I understand you have to take Luck and start over. Please let me free." If he doesn't get that clean bill he'll say "hey I think I'm just going to retire." or "alright, I'll rework my deal and just be the backup and help you develop Luck. Also, I'd like some assurance that I'll have a place in this organization after I retire (be it coaching, GM, VP, whatever)."

The only thing that I can't see happening, is Peyton being back on the Colts next year without a reworked deal. Now, as this applies to the theory that he could be on the Cards (or some other team), he will be cut. He can't be traded before his bonus triggers. If he doesn't rework his deal, I'll bet my life he will be cut. $27+ million is far too much of the cap to pay for a player when you already know you have his replacement on the roster.

I say it goes more like this: "Peyton were drafting Luck. We want you to stay and mentor him for the next 2 years. With the new rookie cap we can afford the luxury of having both and if by some chance your have anymore health issues we have him in the wings. Do you have an issue with that?"

Peyton: "Nope sounds like a plan to me"

 

[AzStevenCal]

I say it goes more like this: "Peyton were drafting Luck. We want you to stay and mentor him for the next 2 years. With the new rookie cap we can afford the luxury of having both and if by some chance your have anymore health issues we have him in the wings. Do you have an issue with that?"

Peyton: "Nope sounds like a plan to me"

It doesn't sound like Peyton's plan to me. This was a team on the decline even before Manning took the season off. IF he's healthy, I can't imagine he wants anything other than a chance to win another Super Bowl. From his perspective, wasting a high draft pick on a guy that is not going to help him win a Super Bowl sounds like someone else's plan.

Steve

 

[DoTheDew]

I say it goes more like this: "Peyton were drafting Luck. We want you to stay and mentor him for the next 2 years. With the new rookie cap we can afford the luxury of having both and if by some chance your have anymore health issues we have him in the wings. Do you have an issue with that?"

Peyton: "Nope sounds like a plan to me"

You do realize that the Colts have Wayne, Garcon, and Mathis to re-sign as well don't you?

Could the Colts carry both Manning and Luck?

In 2012, Manning will cost $35.4 million — the $28 million option bonus plus $7.4 million salary. Luck, although limited to about $23 million over four years, will get a signing bonus and salary of around $15.4 million. Thus, to carry both, in 2012 along, would cost close to $51 million. It is Jim Irsay’s money and he can do as he wish, but that seems unwieldy.

Over $40 million of a cap that's going to be around $130 million. Do you REALLY believe the Colts can afford to keep both? They will absolutely have to let Wayne and Mathis walk to keep Peyton at his current salary. Do you really think Peyton wants to stay on a gutted team that will have no depth and absolutely no hope of winning a SB because of how much money they are spending at the QB position?

Look, he might agree to re-do his deal, but if he doesn't by March 8th, the Colts almost have to cut him, because as far as I know, a roster bonus is like a signing bonus and counts against the cap completely as soon as it goes into effect. No amount of renegotiating his deal after the 8th will get him below $28 million on the cap. I know enough about Peyton to know that he won't want to spend his last couple of years in the league playing on a team that has no talent around him. He's not going to stick around to pass to Austin Collie and a bunch of guys off the street. He'll retire before he does that.

Here's the link that talks about his contract.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsm...ynn-answering-the-nfls-new-burning-questions/

EDIT: looked into it. NFLPA also said his roster bonus can't be moved back to buy time.

It doesn't sound like Peyton's plan to me. This was a team on the decline even before Manning took the season off. IF he's healthy, I can't imagine he wants anything other than a chance to win another Super Bowl. From his perspective, wasting a high draft pick on a guy that is not going to help him win a Super Bowl sounds like someone else's plan.

Steve

I could see him staying on the Colts ONLY if he redoes his deal so that they can stay competitive. He's done it in the past so I wouldn't put it past him, but there is no way in hell that what Shane said will happen. He will not be on the team next year with a $35.4 Million cap number. No way in hell. Maybe 2 years ago when there was no cap. No way in hell he wants to stay around now with the effects his cap number+Luck's will have on the rest of the team.

 

[Phrazbit]

Disagree. I think the NYJ would be the most ideal place for him to go.

For starters, the Jets I believe would pay the man. Sanchez, IMO, has proven to be expendable. They have a formidable offensive line. And finally, he'd be living in New York next to his brother. Plus, imagine the endorsement deals he'd get. Peyton will advertise anything and everything.

I disagree. Payton has never hurt for endorsements, and that was while he was stuck in Indy. Football, unlike other sports, does not require being in a major market in order to land an endorsement.

The reason I dont think he would end up in New York... outdoor, cold, windy stadium. Not to mention being in the same city and pooping on Eli's parade is almost certainly a downside for a family as tight nit as the Mannings, not a positive. And even though the Jets should, I dont think they will move on from Sanchez yet.

Another bonus the Cards would have is playing indoors. He has spent his career in a dome and they certainly help passing games. Obviously we are looking at potential contenders with QB problems. Leaving a list of: Jets (but I already stated that I doubt it will be considered), Arizona, Houston, Oakland, Washington, San Fran and maaaybe an argument could be made for Minnesota.

If he becomes a free agent the Redskins will probably go all "Dan Snyder" on him and offer 30 million a year for 3 years or something insane. I honestly think they are his most likely destination.

And sadly I would place number 2 at San Francisco. They have everything in place to win big except a QB, and Smith will probably remind everyone how crappy he is this coming weekend.

But if the Cards are willing to cut the cords on the Kolb disaster then I certainly think they would be a contender for his talents.

 

[Darkside]

It doesn't sound like Peyton's plan to me. This was a team on the decline even before Manning took the season off. IF he's healthy, I can't imagine he wants anything other than a chance to win another Super Bowl. From his perspective, wasting a high draft pick on a guy that is not going to help him win a Super Bowl sounds like someone else's plan.

Steve

Love that bolded part man. So very true. Depends on what type of loyalty he has to the organization.

 

[Solar7]

This would blow my mind. Were we to grab Haley, Manning, an OT in the 1st round, and one of the available FA WRs, I think we'd be immediately in the Super Bowl conversation.

That said, I can't see it happening for this reason:

I just don't see them passing on Andrew Luck, but that doesn't mean Peyton can't stay. Paying a #1 pick isn't the same as it was two years ago. I don't see any reason why those two can't coexist on the roster for a year or two while Manning shoots for another championship. Why are people suddenly so attached to the idea of a first round (or overall) pick having to start immediately? The success of Aaron Rodgers defies that idea, regardless of the recent work young QBs have done early on.

Sure, there's some doubt about the talent on the Colts roster, but I firmly believe they were more shocked from the loss of an unbelievably good quarterback than actually being that bad. Manning can still win there. I wouldn't bet on him winning a Super Bowl, but getting to the playoffs wouldn't surprise me.

Now, if I were to be wrong there, and he got let go, we really might be the best fit for him.

Larry's talent would be appealing, and with our easier division, growing running game, and developing defense, it would seem that we'd have a great place to play.

Some people have suggested the Jets, and I just can't fathom him fitting with the absolute mess Rex Ryan is setting up in New York. The talent isn't even really there. He's going to throw to Santonio Holmes and maybe Plaxico Burress? On a cold day in hell.

Miami? I guess Brandon Marshall is there, and Reggie Bush actually performed for a bit, but there's not a supporting cast to even set them up for a playoff run. Whoever becomes the new coach in that organization will have to set up a rebuilding project.

So, I guess I'd give the Redskins the best shot, on account of some reasonable talent, and the money they'd probably be willing to pay him. After that, sadly, it's probably the 49ers, and then us.

The neck terrifies me, but if we can determine it seems that it will hold up, bring him in!

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I don't think Irsay is too happy giving Manning 26 mill to not play this year. It's just my opinion, but I think the Polian's and Manning both led Irsay to believe that Peyton would play and that's why they may all be gone. If there are any chances that Manning will miss this year, Irsay will either let him go or make him sign an incentive laden contract. I don't see him giving out another 28 mill without any assurances. Also, notice Irsay has come out and said he won't trade Manning but said nothing about outright releasing him. I think Wayne, Manning, and Caldwell will all join the Polians in looking for work elsewhere.

 

[Arizona's Finest]

I don't think Irsay is too happy giving Manning 26 mill to not play this year. It's just my opinion, but I think the Polian's and Manning both led Irsay to believe that Peyton would play and that's why they may all be gone. If there are any chances that Manning will miss this year, Irsay will either let him go or make him sign an incentive laden contract. I don't see him giving out another 28 mill without any assurances. Also, notice Irsay has come out and said he won't trade Manning but said nothing about outright releasing him. I think Wayne, Manning, and Caldwell will all join the Polians in looking for work elsewhere.

This.

I brought this up a month ago by the way. Heres what I see happenign from here.

March 8th will come and the reports will be that Peyton is healthy and that they are going to release Peyton "so he can sign on with another team" thus doign right by a guy who has meant so much to that franchise.

There is NO WAY they are paying 28 million for 1 year of Peyton let alone to have him apprentice Luck for one year. That makes no sense for all parties involved. If you heard Luck after the Fiesta Bowl, he is not going to be happy backing up anybody and rightfully so being he is the best QB prospect in a decade and guys like Cam, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco have all come in and had success right away.

On the same side, Peyton has an ego too and there is no way he is going to be a lame duck QB in the twilight of his career with 4 or 5 good years left. He will want to go to another team ASAP and get started on the last run of his career.

And why not Arizona? We know Fitz is going to recruit him. Its an offensive firendly system. And what I think is most important....of all the teams maybe needing a QB we are the only one that plays indoors. Thats a HUGE factor for a guy like Peyton IMO as I dont see him fighting the winds of New York, or the rain in Miami the last part of his career.

And its all going to be his decision. Irsay has already said they WONT trade him and no team will trade for him with the uncertainty of his neck and that upcomign cap hit. The Colts can't pay him that money (trust me they won't) and it doesnt make sense for the development of Luck anyway. They are obviously rebuilding and Peyton likely wants no part of that. He will be released and it will be spun as "the right thing to do" for Peyton.

From the Cardinals side, if hes healthy (and thats the big unknown factor of course) its a no brainer. This team CAN make a Super Bowl run with the pieces currently in place and the division we play in. This move makes us the auto favorites in the NFCW, and maybe the NFC if the defensive improvement isn't a mirage. They can cut Kolb with little impact and get the vet guy everyone wants for 4-5 year ala Kurt Warner.

I see alot of Cardinal fans being their usual masochistic selves about this subject and getting upset its even a discussion so they dont get their hopes up. I see it being very legitimate and maybe even likely when you look at the other scenarios .

 

[Renz]

Probably just speculation on Casserly's part, but that being said...

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[Duckjake]

I see alot of Cardinal fans being their usual masochistic selves about this subject and getting upset its even a discussion so they dont get their hopes up.

You see wrong. Any real Cardinal fan already knows what would happen. The Cards sign Manning and Peyton injures his neck in the first pre season game, goes on IR, and then retires after the season. However, since the Cards don't play the Colts we won't have to see Manning cry.

Amazing how people who claim to be Cardinal fans know so little about the team.

 

[FArting]

 

[Vermont Maverick]

This.

I brought this up a month ago by the way. Heres what I see happenign from here.

March 8th will come and the reports will be that Peyton is healthy and that they are going to release Peyton "so he can sign on with another team" thus doign right by a guy who has meant so much to that franchise.

There is NO WAY they are paying 28 million for 1 year of Peyton let alone to have him apprentice Luck for one year. That makes no sense for all parties involved. If you heard Luck after the Fiesta Bowl, he is not going to be happy backing up anybody and rightfully so being he is the best QB prospect in a decade and guys like Cam, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco have all come in and had success right away.

On the same side, Peyton has an ego too and there is no way he is going to be a lame duck QB in the twilight of his career with 4 or 5 good years left. He will want to go to another team ASAP and get started on the last run of his career.

And why not Arizona? We know Fitz is going to recruit him. Its an offensive firendly system. And what I think is most important....of all the teams maybe needing a QB we are the only one that plays indoors. Thats a HUGE factor for a guy like Peyton IMO as I dont see him fighting the winds of New York, or the rain in Miami the last part of his career.

And its all going to be his decision. Irsay has already said they WONT trade him and no team will trade for him with the uncertainty of his neck and that upcomign cap hit. The Colts can't pay him that money (trust me they won't) and it doesnt make sense for the development of Luck anyway. They are obviously rebuilding and Peyton likely wants no part of that. He will be released and it will be spun as "the right thing to do" for Peyton.

From the Cardinals side, if hes healthy (and thats the big unknown factor of course) its a no brainer. This team CAN make a Super Bowl run with the pieces currently in place and the division we play in. This move makes us the auto favorites in the NFCW, and maybe the NFC if the defensive improvement isn't a mirage. They can cut Kolb with little impact and get the vet guy everyone wants for 4-5 year ala Kurt Warner.

I see alot of Cardinal fans being their usual masochistic selves about this subject and getting upset its even a discussion so they dont get their hopes up. I see it being very legitimate and maybe even likely when you look at the other scenarios .

I am with you, man.

 

[Vermont Maverick]

You see wrong. Any real Cardinal fan already knows what would happen. The Cards sign Manning and Peyton injures his neck in the first pre season game, goes on IR, and then retires after the season. However, since the Cards don't play the Colts we won't have to see Manning cry.

Amazing how people who claim to be Cardinal fans know so little about the team.

So, translating, to be a Cardinal fan, you must be a pessimist.

 

[PJ1]

So, translating, to be a Cardinal fan, you must be a pessimist.

No, actually a realist. We can back up our pessimism.

 

[Phrazbit]

This.

I brought this up a month ago by the way. Heres what I see happenign from here.

March 8th will come and the reports will be that Peyton is healthy and that they are going to release Peyton "so he can sign on with another team" thus doign right by a guy who has meant so much to that franchise.

There is NO WAY they are paying 28 million for 1 year of Peyton let alone to have him apprentice Luck for one year. That makes no sense for all parties involved. If you heard Luck after the Fiesta Bowl, he is not going to be happy backing up anybody and rightfully so being he is the best QB prospect in a decade and guys like Cam, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco have all come in and had success right away.

On the same side, Peyton has an ego too and there is no way he is going to be a lame duck QB in the twilight of his career with 4 or 5 good years left. He will want to go to another team ASAP and get started on the last run of his career.

And why not Arizona? We know Fitz is going to recruit him. Its an offensive firendly system. And what I think is most important....of all the teams maybe needing a QB we are the only one that plays indoors. Thats a HUGE factor for a guy like Peyton IMO as I dont see him fighting the winds of New York, or the rain in Miami the last part of his career.

And its all going to be his decision. Irsay has already said they WONT trade him and no team will trade for him with the uncertainty of his neck and that upcomign cap hit. The Colts can't pay him that money (trust me they won't) and it doesnt make sense for the development of Luck anyway. They are obviously rebuilding and Peyton likely wants no part of that. He will be released and it will be spun as "the right thing to do" for Peyton.

From the Cardinals side, if hes healthy (and thats the big unknown factor of course) its a no brainer. This team CAN make a Super Bowl run with the pieces currently in place and the division we play in. This move makes us the auto favorites in the NFCW, and maybe the NFC if the defensive improvement isn't a mirage. They can cut Kolb with little impact and get the vet guy everyone wants for 4-5 year ala Kurt Warner.

I see alot of Cardinal fans being their usual masochistic selves about this subject and getting upset its even a discussion so they dont get their hopes up. I see it being very legitimate and maybe even likely when you look at the other scenarios .

I agree with every word you said... except I wouldnt quite call it "likely".

He will definitely have more than his fair share of pursuers. Washington will throw the bank at him but hopefully he will avoid that train wreck.

And as for the fears many are expressing of Mannings neck. Yes, its a concern but every report says his injury is one guys recover from. And really, would it be any more worrisome than Kolb's head?

 

[Renz]

This.

I brought this up a month ago by the way. Heres what I see happenign from here.

March 8th will come and the reports will be that Peyton is healthy and that they are going to release Peyton "so he can sign on with another team" thus doign right by a guy who has meant so much to that franchise.

There is NO WAY they are paying 28 million for 1 year of Peyton let alone to have him apprentice Luck for one year. That makes no sense for all parties involved. If you heard Luck after the Fiesta Bowl, he is not going to be happy backing up anybody and rightfully so being he is the best QB prospect in a decade and guys like Cam, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco have all come in and had success right away.

On the same side, Peyton has an ego too and there is no way he is going to be a lame duck QB in the twilight of his career with 4 or 5 good years left. He will want to go to another team ASAP and get started on the last run of his career.

And why not Arizona? We know Fitz is going to recruit him. Its an offensive firendly system. And what I think is most important....of all the teams maybe needing a QB we are the only one that plays indoors. Thats a HUGE factor for a guy like Peyton IMO as I dont see him fighting the winds of New York, or the rain in Miami the last part of his career.

And its all going to be his decision. Irsay has already said they WONT trade him and no team will trade for him with the uncertainty of his neck and that upcomign cap hit. The Colts can't pay him that money (trust me they won't) and it doesnt make sense for the development of Luck anyway. They are obviously rebuilding and Peyton likely wants no part of that. He will be released and it will be spun as "the right thing to do" for Peyton.

From the Cardinals side, if hes healthy (and thats the big unknown factor of course) its a no brainer. This team CAN make a Super Bowl run with the pieces currently in place and the division we play in. This move makes us the auto favorites in the NFCW, and maybe the NFC if the defensive improvement isn't a mirage. They can cut Kolb with little impact and get the vet guy everyone wants for 4-5 year ala Kurt Warner.

I see alot of Cardinal fans being their usual masochistic selves about this subject and getting upset its even a discussion so they dont get their hopes up. I see it being very legitimate and maybe even likely when you look at the other scenarios .

I agree also. No way the Colts will keep both Manning and Luck, IMO. Irsay can't/won't tie up +-$50 million in one position next season.

I think Manning will be released and I don't see him signing with the Dolphins or Redskins. I would have said the Jets because Eli is in NY, but I can't see Manning joining the Rex Ryan Circus now. The Cards would seem a logical choice, or at least as logical as any other team.

Manning seems like the type of player who will keep playing until they rip the jersey off his back, unlike Warner. I can see a team getting 2-3 more good years out of Manning, minimum.