Chicago Sun-Times: Suns/Bulls/Lakers trade?

[HooverDam]

Anyone watching Cleveland tonight? They look horrible, and James needs some help. So I went to RealGM and tried to send Kobe there.

LA sends:
Kobe Bryant

Cleveland sends:
Big Z
Larry Hughes
Next years 1st round pick

Maybe Cleveland would need to send another player too, LA still seems to be getting hosed in this deal. Or maybe 2 first rounds picks would make it fair.

 

[dodie53]

kobe and lebron together?

 

[Calvin]

If you want Cleveland to do a deal how about Marion for Gooden and Marshall and Newble?

Cleveland needs someone to attack the basket when James is double/triple teamed and Marion gets to be a legit number 2 guy.

The Suns get position rebounding/boxing-out at the 4, and 2 shooters. One of them from the 4 so Nash and Barbosa get more open lanes.

 

[WuRaider]

During Wednesday night's game against the Cleveland Cavaliers , Mavs' owner Mark Cuban said that the team is not pursuing a trade for the Los Angeles Lakers star.

"We haven't talked to them," Cuban told ESPN's Lisa Salters during a sideline interview. "It's not gonna happen. We've got a great squad. We like it."

Cuban was asked if the team has any interest at all in Bryant.

"We're always looking for bargains, but I don't think they're going to give us any bargains," he said.

According to ESPN's Ric Bucher the Lakers are now actively looking to move the nine-time All-Star

Translation: Cuban won't give up Dirk for Kobe. Mavs drop out of the Kobe race, so now the Suns only competition is the Bulls (haha, I don't think we're even pursuing Kobe)

 

[BC867]

Why are we trading marion for tyrus thomas?

Because we can either trade Marion now and get value in return . . . or wait a year and get nothing.

 

[ShuHanGuanYu]

Because we can either trade Marion now and get value in return . . . or wait a year and get nothing.

I don't think that'll happen exactly that way. If we downgrade talent now, we downgrade our chance of winning a title. We wait and try to win later in that case, but Nash is only getting older. I say keep Marion and go for the elusive title that Phoenix can't seem to win. Then, if he walks, we use our $10 mil in trade exceptions and our $6mil MLE and our potential 5-10 draft pick to cover our losses as best as possible. But I still would not sacrifice this years chance for a 'ship.

If things are clearly going downhill my midseason, my perspective of course changes.

 

[simply_amare]

I wanna win now damn it. I'd prefer no trade this season. The only move I'd really like is to get another free agent big like a PJ Brown. Sean Marks will disappoint us this season.
If we do trade, I'll go only for Kobe. I don't like the Suns to be a part of a three-team trade. If Marion walks next year, so be it... We'll probably use that money to sign 2 quality free agents to fill his role and then some. Of course I'm taking a gamble here...

 

[HooverDam]

Because we can either trade Marion now and get value in return . . . or wait a year and get nothing.

I didn't know that an NBA title that, something this team hasn't won in its 40 years, was considered "nothing"

 

[green machine]

I didn't know that an NBA title that, something this team hasn't won in its 40 years, was considered "nothing"

For some reason I doubt Marion is the difference between the Suns winning a title or not winning a title. He's been here a while, and he hasn't done much to help them get through the post season.

 

[HooverDam]

For some reason I doubt Marion is the difference between the Suns winning a title or not winning a title. He's been here a while, and he hasn't done much to help them get through the post season.

Moving nearly 20 points a game and 10 boards from one player, a 4 time All Star- yah, that can't possibly hurt a teams titles chances.

 

[green machine]

Moving nearly 20 points a game and 10 boards from one player, a 4 time All Star- yah, that can't possibly hurt a teams titles chances.

See those numbers in the playoffs? I don't.

If the Suns were to get a package of Tyrus Thomas and Sefalosha then they would be better off.

Believe me, people could certainly pick up the scoring slack, and Thomas would be a beast here on the boards and on defense.

But I know, all the media likes to say how the Suns wouldn't do well without Marion. I call BS on that. Provided they got talent in return the team would be just fine.

 

[dodie53]

how about a package of thomas and andres?

 

[HooverDam]

See those numbers in the playoffs? I don't.
.

I guess you didnt look them up then. In the Nash era, Marion has averaged 18.3 points per game in the playoffs, 11.3 rebounds per game, 1.6 spg, and 1.5bpg, all of which are right around his season and career averages. I'm sorry you believed the hype though.

In fact, in 05-06, he actually INCREASED his scoring per game in the playoffs. Marion is a model of consistency, every year, playoffs and regular season, he averages between 17-21 points, and between 9 and 12 boards.

 

[green machine]

I guess you didnt look them up then. In the Nash era, Marion has averaged 18.3 points per game in the playoffs, 11.3 rebounds per game, 1.6 spg, and 1.5bpg, all of which are right around his season and career averages. I'm sorry you believed the hype though.

In fact, in 05-06, he actually INCREASED his scoring per game in the playoffs. Marion is a model of consistency, every year, playoffs and regular season, he averages between 17-21 points, and between 9 and 12 boards.

Allow me to clarify...see those in the playoff series that matter? I'm talking about the deep playoff series, like the Spurs the last two times and the Mavs the time before. I'm not sure where to look up those stats, but I imagine they aren't pretty. If I'm wrong then I apologize, but I don't think I am.

Also, you say he is a model of consistency, but one of my fears is that will change very soon. It's been beaten like a dead horse here, but the guy relies purely on his athletic ability. Once it goes, he goes. Oh yeah, he also relies on Nash to get his. See his numbers without Nash last season as proof.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Marion only touches the ball for like 48 seconds per game and puts up those stats! You cannot replace him for youth like thomas and/or noah and expect a consistent outcome.

Marion has VERY little to decide upon in free agency next year, it will be a sign and trade. We can get scared all we want that he will just desert us, but his chances improve greatly if he works with the front office next summer moreso than if he were to do a dance in the free market

 

[Louis]

Oh yeah, he also relies on Nash to get his. See his numbers without Nash last season as proof.

I was with you until that comment.

Marion was an all star SF without Nash.

 

[NastyOne]

I was with you until that comment.

Marion was an all star SF without Nash.

LoL With Kidd and Marbury.

 

[Rab]

His first ASG was when Marbury was here wasn't it?

I don't think he made one with Kidd.

 

[cly2tw]

Marion's regular season performance deserves every All star selection he's made. What else is new?

 

[nashman]

Point is he IS and allstar and you don't trade him away unless your getting equal value in return, not to mention you don't mess with a contending team if its not neccessary.

 

[Rab]

Point is he IS and allstar and you don't trade him away unless your getting equal value in return, not to mention you don't mess with a contending team if its not neccessary.

This equal value in return thing generally doesn't exist in the NBA anymore. Rarely do you see an All-Star traded for another All-Star like we did in the past. Value in trades in today's NBA are picks and expiring contracts, and young players. Often, you don't get talent that is equal to the star you are trading.

 

[fordronken]

New Update

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/basketball/bulls/630714,CST-SPT-kobe01.article

Another three-team deal discussed this week included the Phoenix Suns, who wanted to gauge the Bulls' interest in trading Thabo Sefolosha and other considerations as part of a package to send Bryant to the Bulls and forward Shawn Marion to the Lakers. The Suns were set to draft Sefolosha in 2006, but Paxson swung a trade with the Philadelphia 76ers, who had picked Sefolosha at No. 13.

 

[green machine]

I was with you until that comment.

Marion was an all star SF without Nash.

From another thread, here was my post:

Have you seen the stats from even the most recent season without Nash? Lemme track them down.

There was that stretch right before the all star break where Nash sat out a few games, here are Marion's numbers from them:

2/6 @ Portland: 6/14, 5 Steals, 13 Rebounds, 3 Assists, 12 points
2/9 vs. Atlanta: 4/10, 4 Steals, 11 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 11 points
2/11 vs. Chicago: 4/9, 4 Steals, 18 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 11 points
2/14 @ Seattle: 3/10, 1 Steal, 10 Rebounds, 4 Assists, 10 points

So, the rebounding was there, but his scoring pretty much disappeared.

 

[YouJustGotSUNSD]

Funny thing is, if it were Deng/Sefalosha/Noah that would be the 3 bulls players we should have had/tried to get in the last few drafts. Add in Thomas and its 4 players the suns have a crush on.

Marion/Tucker/ATL for Nocioni/Thomas/Sefalosha/Noah/future draft pick ftw

 

[fordronken]

I'd be very happy with Noah, PJ and Sefalosha for Marion. That would give us a lot more depth, plus a legit big guy who can run the floor, play his role, and not whine about shots (for this season at least). I'd be happy if we could dump Banks, since he's clearly got no shot if this trade went through.

Starters
Nash
Bell
Hill
Noah
Stoudemire

Bench Rotation
Barbosa
Diaw
Sefalosha
PJ Brown

Bench Warmers
Banks
Strawberry
Marks
Skinner
Tucker
Piatkowski