Coleman signed by Eagles...

[RedStorm]

1 yr contract per KKFL .

Yep. I thought he would be around...NOT

 

[HoodieBets]

i was just gonna post it. You beat me to it. Graves sat on his hands too long once again. Eagles dont nearly have as much cap space as us but they had no problem with giving marco garanteed money. Will we ever use the damn money we have??????


Eagles | Coleman Agrees to 1-year Deal - from www.KFFL.com
Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:34:52 -0700

The Philadelphia Eagles have announced they have agreed to terms with free agent DE Marco Coleman (Jaguars) on a one-year deal. Financial terms were not disclosed.

 

[Ryanwb]

Coleman would have done nothing for this team. Hes gone so we have to make due with what we have

 

[HoodieBets]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
Coleman would have done nothing for this team. Hes gone so we have to make due with what we have

Your telling me wakefield is better than marco???? I think you are drinking too much kool-aid.

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by azcardsfan1616
Your telling me wakefield is better than marco???? I think you are drinking too much kool-aid.

Yeah, I'm sure the Eagles would have loved to get Wakefield instead. Ditto for Dennis Johnson.

The spin begins.

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
Coleman would have done nothing for this team. Hes gone so we have to make due with what we have

Ummm...yeah....I gotta agree with the fellas on this one. Coleman would have started opposite Pace all year.

Why do we always have to make do? I just don't get it.

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by RLakin
Yeah, I'm sure the Eagles would have loved to get Wakefield instead. Ditto for Dennis Johnson.

The spin begins.

Oh Rodney, I am suprised with your football intelect that you haven't been picked up by an NFL franchise yet.

If you think Marco Coleman was the answer to all our prayers, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[cardsunsfan]

Not all of our answers but better than Wakefield! I guess you think the Eagles are stupid for picking him up?

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Originally posted by Ryanwb
Oh Rodney, I am suprised with your football intelect that you haven't been picked up by an NFL franchise yet.

If you think Marco Coleman was the answer to all our prayers, you are sadly mistaken.

What an immature response. This is a pretty black and white issue, no pun intended. Marco Coleman is a far superior player to Fred Wakefield. He should be starting on our team, instead of Fred Wakefield. At worst, he is a good rotation veteran. You don't need to be a GM to figure that one out.

 

[PACardsFan]

Marco Coleman WAS a very good DE in his prime, but that time has significantly passed. He's as close to being washed up as a player can be. Philadelphia is DESPERATE. McDougle is out, Jamaal Green is done for the year, and Derrick Burgess is still not 100% from last year's broken foot. They are starting Kalu & Whiting & they have NO depth. The Eagles HAVE to win this year, otherwise they will be begin to make changes. Anything less than a Super Bowl berth will be a disappointment. Coleman is a body only & the Eagles are so close to a Championship that they can take that risk. It would be sheer stupidity for the Cardinals to waste their money on Coleman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[pinnacle]

I have not been advocating that we bring in every retread out there...given how molden performed the past year or two - not sure he would have helped..heck - I thought emmanuel mcdaniel would be a marginal signing - but we signed him. I wanted a corner - but I also pointed out guys like otis smith suck.

but....we should have had marco coleman in - at least for a look. I stated yesterday that fred wakefield looked alot stronger and maybe he will be better - but we need all the help we can get at this very important position. King will probably be part of the tackle rotation until marcus bell gets back..johnson, pace and wakefield are our ends (and king - probably more later on). wakefield and johnson may be joel machovicha types (i.e. we cut them and they are out of football). we needed a veteran badly after wakefield went down...and we have one. coleman was supposed to be the best out there...why would we not bring him in?? graves seems to imply that if we sign a guy like coleman - someone (not named - probably johnson) gets cut...but..johnson would make the practice squad for at least this year. Johnson did not show me enough in the preaseason to warrant a roster spot - but the coaches must have seen it differently.

One big caveat to my complaining: we may have contacted colemans agent and we could have been told that he wanted to go to a winner, play on the east coast..or something..given this - I cannot sit here and say with certainty that we messed up - we may have tried...

Johnson is a young, physically underdeveloped type of guy (so is alton moore). it is not like we need to get them on the field immediately..johnson came out early (from college) and another year of lifting weights and being on the practice squad could not hurt him.

 

[pinnacle]

pacardsfan...

I looked it up - and you may be right - for some reason I thought coleman was about 30 - but he is 34.. perhaps all the more reason he may have not wanted to play for the cardinals at this stage in his career.

on the surface that is pretty old - but some de's like strahan, bruce smith continued to play well as they got older...on the other hand - some defensive ends have not fared well late in their careers.

comment on coleman -he has started like 90% or more of the games since he came into the NFL with the dolphins..has been injured lately - but historically that has not been the case..

 

[PACardsFan]

You guys are scaring me your lack of knowledge regarding Coleman. This guy is FINISHED, WASHED UP, JUST A SHELL OF HIS FORMER SELF. Mark my words, Philly will find out that he is a LIABILITY when he's on the field. Please end this drivel about this has-been.

 

[Cheesebeef]

pathetic and cheap is what this team is. That being said - bring on the Lions!

 

[Red Air Force]

Originally posted by pinnacle

One big caveat to my complaining: we may have contacted colemans agent and we could have been told that he wanted to go to a winner, play on the east coast..or something..given this - I cannot sit here and say with certainty that we messed up - we may have tried...

That....is very possible. I wouldn't be the first time Coleman told us to kiss off.

 

[40yearfan]

I have a question. How many more games would we have won if Coleman signed with us? Is anyone willing to raise their projections of how many games the Cards will win if we would have signed him?

 

[cardsunsfan]

That one is hard to tell, maybe none, maybe a couple, who knows? I have learned not to question the Cardinals moves on this board or hypothesize what could have been. I don't want to make people puke or think I'm a ******...because the Cardinals will always make better choices than other teams would or I would if I were in their position.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by SunCardfan
because the Cardinals will always make better choices than other teams would or I would if I were in their position.

classic! I for one am done railing on the team - I will keep my jabs short and sweet because it's almost officially football season and apparently this is the team we're going with - BRING ON THE LIONS!

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by cheesebeef
classic! I for one am done railing on the team - I will keep my jabs short and sweet because it's almost officially football season and apparently this is the team we're going with - BRING ON THE LIONS!

Unless they lose to the Lions...then all hell breaks loose. This is clearly a winnable game.

 

[AZCB34]

Originally posted by 40yearfan
I have a question. How many more games would we have won if Coleman signed with us? Is anyone willing to raise their projections of how many games the Cards will win if we would have signed him?

There is no way to know that. He could cost the team a win or help them win 3 more. The only problem is, Coleman is better than Wakefield. IMO, that isn;t even debatable

I never was enamored with the Cards trying to snag Coleman but, like Ted Washington, it isn't the player but rather what the player actually represents...a missed opportunity. And for what reason? So they don;t have to guarantee the salary? I don't know...sounds like poor business sense to me but whatever.

 

[RLakin]

Well, I don't think one player in an 11 man group makes a huge difference, let alone a LE. I would venture to guess that Wakefield doesn't add anything to a win total either. You know when the good fans on this board asked why Graves sat still after their veteran leader on the D-Line went down, some said “who's worth signing?” Then Marco Coleman was let go and those same folks are saying “what difference would he make?” They say “what difference would anybody on the waiver wire make?” Surely Philly, a two-time NFC title runner-up, can't think that Coleman will help their team. So if a team like Philly, with more DE depth than this team already has, thinks enough to sign Coleman how can a team that has the most to spend and the least to lose not think the same. Especially with their starting LE on IR.
Philly doesn't have a starting LE on IR but Coleman is another body that can rotate and contribute (key word) to another winning season. You see it's not about one player adding 1 game to the Eagles win total. It's about one player adding one more body or one more sack to a collective effort that helps win football games. The Cards probably won't win as many as Philly, but that's not to say that they couldn't use Coleman if only to help the development of Pace and King as well as be a useful rotational LE on a team that already lost one.
It's also about giving your fans one more reason to believe that you want to win at all costs.
Even if that means anteing up a guaranteed 400,000 more dollars.
That shouldn’t be too much to ask from a team 12 plus million under the cap. Money that, by the way and for all intents and purposes, would be “wasted” anyway.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by AZCB34
Unless they lose to the Lions...then all hell breaks loose. This is clearly a winnable game.

eh - even then - when you go into a season with expectations as low as mine - and expect losses rather than wins on the whole it won't allow my to fly off the handle - I've been doing it all offseason long - if I'm proven correct in the season - there will be no reason to go off - all my rants will be able to be found from the last 9 months. If they win I'll do cartwheels - if they lose - I'll sit back - wait for the season to end and once again call for people's heads. Bring on the Lions!

 

[pinnacle]

another point...last night I thought chester mcglockton had a good game (jets vs redskins)..he was driving 2 olineman up the field when he was in the game. There was quite a few older, huge fat defensive tackles available this offseason that could come in every few plays and shove everyone aside. if we had that type of guy and a marco coleman (marco coleman is more of an injury replacement for kvb) I would think it would be worth a win or two. Wendall bryant is a different type of dtackle...we needed a lard ass huge guy. Barron tanner is it for us...I thought he played really well the 1st part of last season - but he seems to have dropped off. He seems to have lost some weight this year - not sure if this is a plus or minus for the role he has..we shall see.

we brought in a retread older guy...emmitt smith. In hindsight _ I think alot of guys on this board think this was a good move (me included). Why don't we get a dlineman that is older and has been around? none of them will be emmitt..but they could have not have hurt much - especially with bell is out for probably 4 games. we are short tackles until he returns anyway.

at the present time - I can say that we are kind of screwed at corner...pretty much everyone who was cut by other teams was marginal and dre bly was the best FA available - and I do not think he is very good.. There was a better crop (although they were mostly older players) of defensive tackles and ends on the market this year..

 

[RLakin]

Originally posted by pinnacle


we brought in a retread older guy...emmitt smith. In hindsight _ I think alot of guys on this board think this was a good move (me included). Why don't we get a dlineman that is older and has been around? none of them will be emmitt..but they could have not have hurt much - especially with bell is out for probably 4 games. we are short tackles until he returns anyway.

Good point. How is it that veteran leadership is coveted at a position of lesser need at 10 times the cost. Two words: jersey sales

And for those who wonder if Coleman didn't want to come here. Two more: waiver claim

 

[Cheesebeef]

Originally posted by RLakin
Good point. How is it that veteran leadership is coveted at a position of lesser need and 10 times the cost. Two words: jersey sales

And for those who wonder if Coleman didn't want to come here. Two more: waiver claim

damnit RLarkin - would you stop making so much sense!