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I think Palmer will throw for 5300 yards and 34 TD's this year.
CP is the best QB in the NFCW
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So that means we will be trailing most of the games and he will run up the yards in garbage time.
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Palmer's arm is not what it used to be. I think he is a huge upgrade from what we've had, but that needs to be kept in context, because we've had historically bad QB play over the past 3 years, arguably the worst run of QB play for a team in the last 15-20 years.
I hope he stays upright and cools it with the INTs (he has thrown 50 in his last 41 games). I'd be thrilled with a 4000 yard ~22 TD ~13 pick season. I can't picture him doing much better than that.
And I dont think Wilson's play was a fluke. He is legitimately a very good player. I'd take him over Carson in a heartbeat.
I hope he stays upright and cools it with the INTs (he has thrown 50 in his last 41 games). I'd be thrilled with a 4000 yard ~22 TD ~13 pick season. I can't picture him doing much better than that.
And I dont think Wilson's play was a fluke. He is legitimately a very good player. I'd take him over Carson in a heartbeat.
A little sensitive are you?
Whisenhunt was in charge of the the roster. Are you trying to say that if CKW hadn't been allowed free rein to pick the players they'd have continued to win?
It was his loyalty to Grimm, along with the disastrous trade and contract for Kolb, that cost Whisenhunt his job and I'm also seriously skeptical of Arians if Koach Kangol really thinks Grimm is a top level offensive line coach. In fact I'm not drinking the Arians brand Kool-Aid at all right now. Too much inexperience at the levels the new coaches are with Arizona.
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Do people in the streets even watch tv?
What a hilarious comment. Awesome. People in the streets arent sold on Palmer. LOL.
I find it funny when I talk to "people in the streets" and how uninformed they are compared to here. Funny to compare them.
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Oddly enough, sometimes I find it funny to talk to people here and how uninformed they are compared to "people in the streets.
Lol - I run into people bringing up that jamarcus russel is trying out and am like dude, that was a false rumor 3 months ago.
Why would you laugh? He had a tryout with the Bears this year and is looking to catch on with someone.
That's a ridiculous statement. Just to test it I asked a person in the street this morning what he thought about Ariens and he said it was ok but he liked Mogen David blackberry and Keystone Light better.
Why would you laugh? He had a tryout with the Bears this year and is looking to catch on with someone.
They were talking about his rumored tryout with arizona back in MArch.
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Here is how I look at it.
Carson Palmer is the most experienced QB in the division and has the most success so far. He is also the oldest and has to play against three very good defenses.
Palmer come swith the edge of having Larry Fitzgerald to throw the ball to which no other nFC West team can say. That being said, his other weapons are unproven and his line is suspect.
Palmer has as much potential to perform as well as any other QB in this division, but he also has to overcome the most questions marks when concerning his supporting cast.
Carson Palmer is the most experienced QB in the division and has the most success so far. He is also the oldest and has to play against three very good defenses.
Palmer come swith the edge of having Larry Fitzgerald to throw the ball to which no other nFC West team can say. That being said, his other weapons are unproven and his line is suspect.
Palmer has as much potential to perform as well as any other QB in this division, but he also has to overcome the most questions marks when concerning his supporting cast.
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Carson Palmer should easily be the best QB in our division. Only Bradford might have a chance to be better down the road. With our receivers he should not have a problem passing for more yardage than anyone else in our division.
I am also feeling better each day about Palmer. Hope it is not just wishful thinking which I am prone to. If we have a running game to go with his arm and experience we might just surprise some people.
Agreed.
There is no doubt that today Palmer is the best QB in the division. His stats and experience say it all. It's all about how our line holds up. If they protect him and open holes in the running game he will do as good or better than he has in the past. Wilson and Colin have only played one season, granted they had really good seasons but they haven't proven they are hear to stay. Even Derek Anderson had a pro bowl season?? Carson has proved he is an NFL QB and a legit one. Defenses figure players out, and I can see that being especially problematic for Colin. And as far as Bradford I was really high on him and wanted us to draft him really bad but he's on a prove it year and quite frankly I'm not so sure about him anymore.
The difference is those teams have good lines, good running games and good defenses. If we have those we can go as far as Palmer will take us
John Skelton threw 3 TD passes and amassed almost 300 yards in becoming the only Cardinal QB since 2008 to beat the 49ers. Palmer is light years better than Double Dunce. We have a great chance of competing this season.
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The statement concerning the initial thread was that Carson Palmer was the best QB in the NFCW. He was that when PA Cards Fan posted this thread, and he still is the best in the division now.
Concerning how far he can take us depends on the rest of the offense, AND our defense as well, but that was not part of the initial thread. To speak to what both Chopper and Gottalean have to say concerning that, I believe that Palmer will take us farther with our current O-line, than Kolb/Skelton et/al, did with last year's line. I consider our running game to be improved also, and that is a plus to this argument. Our defense is unproven at this point, but it would seem that we will be stronger through the front seven, much stronger at CB and in slot coverage and deep coverage, though somewhat weaker and thinner against the run from a safety standpoint. Therefore I would say that we will probably go farther than we did last year, but not so far as to win the division.
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getting him for peanuts says more IMO. Seriously, if Palmer was really as good as you say, I'm guessing someone out there would have given up more then a 7th round pick for him.
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Maybe we're the only organization that can identify talent? Yeah, that sounds right. Let's go with that.
Palmer may turn out to be the best QB in this division but anyone considering it a done deal has been spiking their kool-aid. An improved run game, an improving O line and a top drawer wide receiver might turn the clock back on Palmer's career but every team in the division has at least as good of a hope-and-wish claim as we do.
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I disagree to some extent--there weren't many teams needing a starting QB as bad as we do. Out of those teams who do, we're the only team without a legitimate young player we can groom. For example, Tannehill probably won't be stellar this year for Miami, but he's someone you can groom for the position. We don't really have anyone, in my opinion, at that level, someone you can groom to be the QBOTF. There are other teams, Jacksonville for example, who are in a bind, but they need more than just a QB (and an old one at that). I really believe it was pure luck with regards to the timing and the fact that Palmer basically fell into our lap.
Palmer also has some say in where he plays, and he's shown in the past he's willing to sit or retire if he's going to play for a bad team. At this stage in his career, I think he was coming here regardless of who needed him--hard to believe, but we just have more pieces in place than some of those other rosters needing a QB. His price was "peanuts" to us, but may not have been for some more desperate teams. His price probably wasn't the same for us as it would be for a Jacksonville or whomever. His price for us was a white flag saying, "This is my last chance, I'm yours."
(I should add: we needed more than just a starting QB. We need a vet due to our offensive line and our lack of a running game. A rook wouldn't cut it, only someone with massive experience can start for us at this point. He is so ideal, given that. Once the line gets settled, once we get even an average running game, then we can look at throwing rooks behind center)
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Kaepernick and Wilson were really outstanding last year and it showed on their teams record. One has to remember this will only be their 2nd year in the NFL and they may not be nearly as prolific as they were last year. This is probably wishful thinking on my part but it has happened before that first year wonders come back to earth the next year. Palmer has the experience of many years in the NFL which may pay off big for the Cards. Let us all hope so. We are not starting the year with the type of QBs we have started the past few years. Since Warner left our QBs were losers starting the season and long shots at best to be a QB for the future.
"Carson Palmer-Led Arizona Cardinals Will Make History, Have Top-10 Offense in 2013" - so says Shaun Church.
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I like the optimism, and agree to the extent that the upgrade at QB is enormous, coupled with help on the OL and at least the potential for an improved RB corps and coaching.
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I like the optimism, and agree to the extent that the upgrade at QB is enormous, coupled with help on the OL and at least the potential for an improved RB corps and coaching.
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"Carson Palmer-Led Arizona Cardinals Will Make History, Have Top-10 Offense in 2013" - so says Shaun Church.
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I like the optimism, and agree to the extent that the upgrade at QB is enormous, coupled with help on the OL and at least the potential for an improved RB corps and coaching.
...dave
all I could think when I read that article was who on ASFN wrote it?
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