Dare I say the "T" word . . . ?

[Ronin]

At least for 4 games the Suns are not the laughing stock of the league. Feels good man.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't see what I'm saying as being any more abrasive than a few people who are vocally getting pissed off that their team is actually winning games.

I am down with the tank when the timing and situation calls for it, but if the pure 100% tankers are going to be as aggressive and abrasive as I've seen... then thy should be able to take it as well as they can dish it.

But ironically NONE of the tankers tell anyone what to do or not to do. Sorry, super lame excuse for acting like a jerk to someone.

 

[Hoop Head]

First month of the year, less than 10 games played, god forbid we win a couple.

 

[Hoop Head]

But ironically NONE of the tankers tell anyone what to do or not to do. Sorry, super lame excuse for acting like a jerk to someone.

I don't buy that, people have been told to get on board with the tank since the first lost. I'm not for or against tanking either but think it's ridiculous to talk about it this soon.

 

[Phrazbit]

I don't buy that, people have been told to get on board with the tank since the first lost. I'm not for or against tanking either but think it's ridiculous to talk about it this soon.

Yeah, I don't question that pokerface wants the franchise to succeed, but before the opening tip there was a lot of "line in the sand" talk. Which I think is silly prior to like the 40 game mark.

 

[Hoop Head]

I like @pokerface, he's one of my favorite posters here when he's not talking about tanking unfortunately he hasn't stopped talking about it since the season has started.

 

[pokerface]

But ironically NONE of the tankers tell anyone what to do or not to do. Sorry, super lame excuse for acting like a jerk to someone.

Ouchie just ignore these guys. They just want to come on our tank thread and tell us what to say and think. If we want good draft picks that's our business. We can root for whatever we want and SAY what we want. This ain't no f'n clone factory.


Judge away...I'm happy to disappoint this board. No big deal at all.

 

[Errntknght]

If Watson were still in charge I think I'd still be leaning toward tanking - as a way to salvage something from the season. With Triano we're seeing improvement in almost every aspect, teamwise and individually. No need to tank as this team can make a lot of progress this season and by the end of the year I'll think we'll be able to judge a lot better what kind of ceiling we have. And the flashes we are seeing suggests to me the ceiling could be quite high. Its good that the West is tough this year to give us lots of very challenging games in which to learn.

I'm not at all sure this team could tank...

 

[pokerface]

If Watson were still in charge I think I'd still be leaning toward tanking - as a way to salvage something from the season. With Triano we're seeing improvement in almost every aspect, teamwise and individually. No need to tank as this team can make a lot of progress this season and by the end of the year I'll think we'll be able to judge a lot better what kind of ceiling we have. And the flashes we are seeing suggests to me the ceiling could be quite high. Its good that the West is tough this year to give us lots of very challenging games in which to learn.

I'm not at all sure this team could tank...

Well things are looking different nowadays. Things don't seem tankish right now. Triano seems to be doing a good job.

Not sure what im supposed to be rooting for though. I guess it's going to be a medicore season and a medicore draft. I just wish Chandler gets shipped soon so we have a chance at a decent draft. Dont know why Chandler is here and I sure don't know why Len is here. Ppl talk up Len like "He's doing so good...yea". Yea what? This guy is half out the door and messing up our draft to boot. We got Lens ghost haunting up the joint...like he's not really a part of this team...he's just here. Plus I don't know why Bled wasn't shipped out last season instead of them sitting him...last year and this year.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I don't buy that, people have been told to get on board with the tank since the first lost. I'm not for or against tanking either but think it's ridiculous to talk about it this soon.

You find me a single Post where one of us told someone what to do. We might argue vehemently about our position but we haven’t been that rude.

 

[pokerface]

You find me a single Post where one of us told someone what to do. We might argue vehemently about our position but we haven’t been that rude.

Right on Ouchie.


I could show post after post of snarkiness because of our views. It's like they come on our thread to get snotty and judgemental and cry the blues that we are attacking them?? It's like hey whatever. We don't have to agree and we don't have to make anyone like everything we write. They don't like to hear our tank talk but they like talking about our tank talk....pffft.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Right on Ouchie.


I could show post after post of snarkiness because of our views. It's like they come on our thread to get snotty and judgemental and cry the blues that we are attacking them?? It's like hey whatever. We don't have to agree and we don't have to make anyone like everything we write. They don't like to hear our tank talk but they like talking about our tank talk....pffft.

Even though I started this thread I don’t really consider it “mine.” That said, everyone ha a right to their opinion. I try to avoid telling people what to do. I might try to persuade someone to see the reality that I see. But I don’t tell people what to do. That’s just flat out arrogant and rude in a community.

 

[Hoop Head]

You find me a single Post where one of us told someone what to do. We might argue vehemently about our position but we haven’t been that rude.

I didn't even have to leave this thread to find one...

This a tanking thread. When the suns lose we like it...this is a good time thread for us. Plus we don't explain ourselves. Your speech falls on deaf ears. You, Chaplin, and MS need to start your own thread called "Complainers that hate the draft"...and vacate over to it.

Sure, this is a "tanking" thread but other posters aren't allowed to discuss the negatives of tanking and whether the Suns should tank during the first 2 weeks of the season? If it was truly kept to this thread that would be one thing but it's not. Tanking gets brought up in game threads, especially if we win, or embracing the tank if we lose. Then there have been comments about bringing Watson or Bledsoe back to help the tank and of course trading Chandler to help the tank also. There have been quite a few "embrace the tank" posts made and we're not even 10 games into the season. Even in the Washington thread there are posts worrying about being too good this season.

Why even talk about tanking so early in the season? Virtually everyone here has said they're fine with the idea if it was February or March and the playoffs are out of reach but our young players are playing really well and we've managed to beat a few playoff teams. Why can't people just enjoy the wins? Instead, tanking gets brought up in the majority of threads and by the same people, over and over. Why must tanking be brought up and debated in half of the threads here when there is a "tanking" thread?

 

[Milgod]

Not sure what im supposed to be rooting for though.

Umm . . .your team? Just a thought.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I didn't even have to leave this thread to find one...



Sure, this is a "tanking" thread but other posters aren't allowed to discuss the negatives of tanking and whether the Suns should tank during the first 2 weeks of the season? If it was truly kept to this thread that would be one thing but it's not. Tanking gets brought up in game threads, especially if we win, or embracing the tank if we lose. Then there have been comments about bringing Watson or Bledsoe back to help the tank and of course trading Chandler to help the tank also. There have been quite a few "embrace the tank" posts made and we're not even 10 games into the season. Even in the Washington thread there are posts worrying about being too good this season.

Why even talk about tanking so early in the season? Virtually everyone here has said they're fine with the idea if it was February or March and the playoffs are out of reach but our young players are playing really well and we've managed to beat a few playoff teams. Why can't people just enjoy the wins? Instead, tanking gets brought up in the majority of threads and by the same people, over and over. Why must tanking be brought up and debated in half of the threads here when there is a "tanking" thread?

A) poker, tsk tsk. Don’t tell people what, or where, to do things. If people don’t want to tank and they want to argue the merits that’s their prerogative.

B) the best reason to tank is to acquire a franchise changing talent. An Ayton doesn’t become any less tantalizing because our team starts to play better. Imagine this young squad with a young David Robinson. For some of us the thought of the chance of having these young guys with a David Robinson type player for a decade plus is more than worth the short term pain of one more tank. And even if ayton isn’t available the other guys (porter, doncic, bagley, and bamba) could be the equivalent of adding a Durant, a rich man’s dumars (doncic comp is difficult to imagine), a Karl Malone, or a mutumbo). Is there a guarantee they all become those equivalents? Of course not. But the prospect of it is tantalizing.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Umm . . .your team? Just a thought.

You say that with zero context. I’m happy to root for them if they’re going to be a .500 team and compete for a playoff spot. With this youth that shows tremendous growth. But if they are going to win 30 games and as a result draft 15th (there are a LOT of bad teams this year) that’s a lose-lose proposition and I’ll not root for THAT.

 

[Chaplin]

In this case, tanking means FORCING our young players to play badly. How is that a viable solution in any scenario??

Tyson Chandler isn't winning these games for us. Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Mike James, Josh Jackson, Dragon Bender--those are the guys that are winning these games for us.

Do the tankers want player development or not? It looks like in this early season, player development might = more wins than you expect. But I don't think the rewards for tanking outweigh stunting the growth of the players we already have. In the previous draft, the team with the 2nd worst record got the 4th pick!

 

[Dback Jon]

In this case, tanking means FORCING our young players to play badly. How is that a viable solution in any scenario??

Tyson Chandler isn't winning these games for us. Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Mike James, Josh Jackson, Dragon Bender--those are the guys that are winning these games for us.

Do the tankers want player development or not? It looks like in this early season, player development might = more wins than you expect. But I don't think the rewards for tanking outweigh stunting the growth of the players we already have. In the previous draft, the team with the 2nd worst record got the 4th pick!

Agreed. Suns have to do what is best to develop the young players. Play D, play as a team, etc. If that leads to wins, great.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

In this case, tanking means FORCING our young players to play badly. How is that a viable solution in any scenario??

Tyson Chandler isn't winning these games for us. Devin Booker, TJ Warren, Mike James, Josh Jackson, Dragon Bender--those are the guys that are winning these games for us.

Do the tankers want player development or not? It looks like in this early season, player development might = more wins than you expect. But I don't think the rewards for tanking outweigh stunting the growth of the players we already have. In the previous draft, the team with the 2nd worst record got the 4th pick!

Did tanking “stunt” their growth lost season? Sure doesn’t seem like it. The non-tankers keep throwing around that argument like it’s fact. It’s not. If you just moderate their minutes and trade chandler (yes he’s adding a positive impact to the winning) maybe it allows them to continue their development and lose at the same time.

 

[pokerface]

Even though I started this thread I don’t really consider it “mine.” That said, everyone ha a right to their opinion. I try to avoid telling people what to do. I might try to persuade someone to see the reality that I see. But I don’t tell people what to do. That’s just flat out arrogant and rude in a community.

It's not an ownership thing but it's a theme thread. It's about fans that care about the draft. It's not about fans that knock other fans for what they believe.

 

[pokerface]

In this case, tanking means FORCING our young players to play badly. How is that a viable solution in any scenario??

Dude get off it. No one ever said that. Coaches don't tell players to play bad. They play the young guys and it comes out however it's comes out.

Keeping Chandler and Bledsoe around doesn't make any sense. They only have a couple seasons left..

 

[pokerface]

Did tanking “stunt” their growth lost season? Sure doesn’t seem like it. The non-tankers keep throwing around that argument like it’s fact. It’s not. If you just moderate their minutes and trade chandler (yes he’s adding a positive impact to the winning) maybe it allows them to continue their development and lose at the same time.

Absolutely right.

 

[pokerface]

You say that with zero context. I’m happy to root for them if they’re going to be a .500 team and compete for a playoff spot. With this youth that shows tremendous growth. But if they are going to win 30 games and as a result draft 15th (there are a LOT of bad teams this year) that’s a lose-lose proposition and I’ll not root for THAT.

It's nice to see players improving but I'm not thrilled about a 30 win season either. It's not enough to gain us much. If we can't compete for a playoff spot then I want a high draft pick.

 

[pokerface]

A) poker, tsk tsk. Don’t tell people what, or where, to do things. If people don’t want to tank and they want to argue the merits that’s their prerogative.

They just want to come on here and troll the thread. There are probably some fans that are more into the draft then some half baked season and they don't need to feel like they are doing something wrong or have to defend themselves on this thread. We don't need to defend the merits of tanking over and over...it's like you get it or you don't. And if we want to laugh about some players that drop games for us on occasion then so what.

 

[Chaplin]

They just want to come on here and troll the thread. There are probably some fans that are more into the draft then some half baked season and they don't need to feel like they are doing something wrong or have to defend themselves on this thread. We don't need to defend the merits of tanking over and over...it's like you get it or you don't. And if we want to laugh about some players that drop games for us on occasion then so what.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Got it.