Dbacks close to acquiring Cory Patterson

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Lets be logical about a Figgins/Glaus trade (I should prob start a new thread). Figgins, while the best utility man in the Bigs, plays primarily 3B for the Angels. They have Orlando Cabrera who is a very capable leadoff man if Figgins were to be dealt. If I'm Byrnes, I would seriously consider asking for only Figgins in this deal. Manny to Anaheim, Glaus to Bos, and Figgins here. It would be alot easier if Glaus went to Anaheim and filled the 3B hole. Still, if Glaus went to Boston the Angles could finally let Dallas McPherson play 3B has they have been talking about him for ten years now. The big dilemna comes down to dollars- Glaus is due 30 somethin million and Figgins makes less than a mill a year. The Angels might not go for it but if they get desperate enough for a bat and Byrnes stays stern enough, he moght be able to pull it off. Then, use some of the money freed up to extend Figgins, SIGN UPTON, and go after some pitching. A big IF but def worth the shot.


Imagine that lineup 3 years from now:
1B-Jackson/?
2B-Drew/Upton/Figgins
SS-Drew/Upton/Figgins
3B-Tracy/Figgins
RF-??
CF-Figgins/Terrero or ?
LF-Quentin
C- Estrada and Montero
 
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overseascardfan said:
I would rather see Marland Williams than Corey Patterson. He reminds me of Carl Everett/Milton Bradley. Can Jacque Jones play CF?
You do realize how awful Marland Williams was last year? He should feel lucky he hasn't been released yet.
 

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You do realize how awful Marland Williams was last year? He should feel lucky he hasn't been released yet.
Agreed. Williams hasnt been able to hit AA pitching yet, let alone in the big leagues. For what its worth, he was also dropped from the 40 man roster.
 
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nm132 said:
You do realize how awful Marland Williams was last year? He should feel lucky he hasn't been released yet.

In 381 at bats last year for the sidewinders Marland Williams #'s were:

.234 BA, 55 R, 46 RBI's, 108 strikeouts vs. 37 walks, .297 OBP, and only 137 total bases.

HORRIBLE :wave:
 

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Thats with the Smokies not the Sidewinders. He never was down here in Tucson.
 

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Id rather stick with Shawn Green than take on Cory Patterson if thats what the trade is, the guy was absolutely horrible last year and has rarely been all that good at any point in his career.
 

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Anybody know Patterson's career numbers at the BOB,err...the Chase?

Depending on what the Dbacks give up I don't think it's a horrible trade. The guy is all potential, no doubt, but he's still fairly young and a change of scenery where the pressure is off could do him good.
 

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devilfan02 said:
1B-Jackson/?
2B-Drew/Upton/Figgins
SS-Drew/Upton/Figgins
3B-Tracy/Figgins
RF-??
CF-Figgins/Terrero or ?
LF-Quentin
C- Estrada and Montero

Forget 3 years from now, what would it look like next year?

I really dont like Tracy at 3rd, he seems to be too big of a defensive liability. Anyone know if Jackson could move to 3rd, I dont know much about him.

Here is a possible lineup for next year:

C Estrada
1B Clark/Tracy
2B Counsell
SS Drew/Upton/Free Agent
3B Figgins
LF Gonzo
CF Patterson
RF Tracy/Terrero

Thats not terrible I guess. Would like to get rid of Gonzo though for some younger outfielders. Hopefully some of our young middle infielders will be ready so we dont have to deal with another Royce Clayton
 
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The reason why I said 3 years from know is because guys like Drew and Upton might not play a single game at the MLB level next year. Upton def won't play in the Bigs next year while Byrnes is not rushing Drew or Quentin. Plus, Jackson still needs to develop and get some MLB experience as I still think he's not ready to break out quite yet. If Patterson comes here, he still needs some time to grow as well. We havn't even brought up pitching yet. The chances that we win the world series next year are very small and Byrnes is taking this team in a new direction. Will we have a year like '04? No, but on the other hand I don't expect us to overly surprise anyone either. Our impact position players are young and need time and our starting pitching is a major question mark while our bullpen is very suspect
 

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HooverDam said:
Forget 3 years from now, what would it look like next year?

I really dont like Tracy at 3rd, he seems to be too big of a defensive liability. Anyone know if Jackson could move to 3rd, I dont know much about him.

Well, if you think Tracy is a liability, you DEFINATELY don't want Jackson at third. Tracy's a Gold Glover compared to Jackson.

Here is a possible lineup for next year:

C Estrada
1B Clark/Tracy
2B Counsell
SS Drew/Upton/Free Agent
3B Figgins
LF Gonzo
CF Patterson
RF Tracy/Terrero

That's solid, but the chances of Upton starting are next to nil. I suppose it could happen (Zimmerman was up in the Bigs for the Nationals a few months after being drafted), however I can't see Upton following the same course. On a win/loss perspective, I could really see a repeat performance of last year, maybe a few wins more.
 

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devilfan02 said:
Imagine that lineup 3 years from now:
1B-Jackson/?
2B-Drew/Upton/Figgins
SS-Drew/Upton/Figgins
3B-Tracy/Figgins
RF-??
CF-Figgins/Terrero or ?
LF-Quentin
C- Estrada and Montero

Here's my projected lineup for 2008

1B-- Chris Carter
2B-- Stephen Drew
SS-- Justin Upton
3B-- Chad Tracy
RF-- Carlos Gonzalez
CF-- Chone Figgins
LF-- Conor Jackson
C-- Chris Snyder/Miguel Montero

With a starting rotation of

Brandon Webb
Dustin Nippert
Garrett Mock
Brad Hasley
Kellen Raab

Before anyone asks, I think Quentin is going to be traded, he wasn't omitted from the list.
 
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HooverDam said:
I really dont like Tracy at 3rd, he seems to be too big of a defensive liability.
And he's Andruw Jones in RF? Tracy only can play 1B or 3B, the outfield was an absolute nightmare last season. And like I have always said, I can live with mediocre defense rom a 3B if he's going to put up the numbers Tracy put up last year.

I'm okay with the Patterson deal as long as it means dumping Shawn Green's contract and not having Patterson hit leadoff.
 

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Here's my projected lineup for 2008

1B-- Chris Carter
2B-- Stephen Drew
SS-- Justin Upton
3B-- Chad Tracy
RF-- Carlos Gonzalez
CF-- Chone Figgins
LF-- Conor Jackson
C-- Chris Snyder/Miguel Montero

With a starting rotation of

Brandon Webb
Dustin Nippert
Garrett Mock
Brad Hasley
Kellen Raab

Before anyone asks, I think Quentin is going to be traded, he wasn't omitted from the list.

Having a dozen guys from your farm system becoming starters on your team would be nothing short of amazing. My optimistic guess is only half of those guys go on to become 2008 Diamondback starters.
 

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Having a dozen guys from your farm system becoming starters on your team would be nothing short of amazing. My optimistic guess is only half of those guys go on to become 2008 Diamondback starters.

Good point, however I wasn't going to speculate what vets are going to be brought in that far in advance :biglaugh: I didn't want to put FA signing, because well.. Yeah.

Of the list, ones I feel most confident about long term (players I think will be with Arizona in '08 are Tracy, Jackson, Gonzalez and Drew with Nippert and Webb in the rotation. I really like Mock and Raab though and it wouldn't surprise me to see them on the 40 man in some capacity.
 

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I cant believe there is so much negativity about this trade...

Consider this:

Baseball is the one sport where you have to look at a players last 3 years of production rather than just the previous season (unless there is a debilitating injury invloved) If you are not one of the top 10 pichers or hitters, there are going to be seasons where your numbers take a dive. Thinking about Pattersons last three years there was a time there where it seemed he was finally reaching his potential and went to the all star game b/c he was putting up ridiculous numbers (unless my memory has completly vanished). He was one of the most hyped prospects that has been out and the Cubs hung on to him this long with all his supposed production and attitude issues.

Also i never really considered that trading Green and getting his salary off the books was a viable opportunity so that works too.

Plus i think the main reasoning in getting Patterson is to have him roam the vast expanse that is Chase field....Im not sure if he is a great defender but he is fast....I dont think they are really counting on his bat and they are hoping a "change of scenery" will do him better....a good risk IMO

Byrnes is 2 for 2 if he pulls this one off.....
 

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Arizona's Finest said:
I cant believe there is so much negativity about this trade...

Consider this:

Baseball is the one sport where you have to look at a players last 3 years of production rather than just the previous season (unless there is a debilitating injury invloved) If you are not one of the top 10 pichers or hitters, there are going to be seasons where your numbers take a dive. Thinking about Pattersons last three years there was a time there where it seemed he was finally reaching his potential and went to the all star game b/c he was putting up ridiculous numbers (unless my memory has completly vanished). He was one of the most hyped prospects that has been out and the Cubs hung on to him this long with all his supposed production and attitude issues.

Also i never really considered that trading Green and getting his salary off the books was a viable opportunity so that works too.

Plus i think the main reasoning in getting Patterson is to have him roam the vast expanse that is Chase field....Im not sure if he is a great defender but he is fast....I dont think they are really counting on his bat and they are hoping a "change of scenery" will do him better....a good risk IMO

Byrnes is 2 for 2 if he pulls this one off.....


Hey, I said it before.. Patterson's 2004 season was no fluke. The guy showed glimpses of being a 30-30 guy, and I think once he's out of Chicago and his permanent spot in Dusty Baker's *********, the deal could turn out to be a big time steal.. Even if it IS a straight up swap for Green, I like it.
 

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Snake said:
Hey, I said it before.. Patterson's 2004 season was no fluke. The guy showed glimpses of being a 30-30 guy, and I think once he's out of Chicago and his permanent spot in Dusty Baker's *********, the deal could turn out to be a big time steal.. Even if it IS a straight up swap for Green, I like it.

A trade straight up also saves us money. It can also allow Q to take over RF if we trade Glaus. I don't see anything but positives with this potential deal.
 

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Snake said:
Hey, I said it before.. Patterson's 2004 season was no fluke. The guy showed glimpses of being a 30-30 guy, and I think once he's out of Chicago and his permanent spot in Dusty Baker's *********, the deal could turn out to be a big time steal.. Even if it IS a straight up swap for Green, I like it.

Dusty Baker has given Corey chance after chance after chance and Corey just hasn't shown the slightest interest in disciplined hitting. Does Corey have potential? yeah but the fact that he seems brain dead at the plate has been his undoing in Chicago. I simply don't believe that tiger can (or will) change his stripes.

I think it is funny that Dbacks fans are ok because it gets rid of Greens contract and Cubs fans are good with it because it gets rid of Patterson.
 

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Patterson's a hacker, pure and simple. He strikes out too much and doesn't walk enough. He coves plenty of ground in CF which will be nice but he leaves a lot to be desired at the plate. Like Cubbie, I doubt this guy ever fihures it out at the plate as he has been given every opportunity.

In the end though, we get out from under Green's bloated contract (mediocre fielding corner OFs who hit a whopping 22 HRs at BOB basically grow on trees) and get a guy with potential. If it works out, then we're set at CF for the foreseeable future. If it doesn't, we save around $15 million in salary.
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Patterson's a hacker, pure and simple. He strikes out too much and doesn't walk enough. He coves plenty of ground in CF which will be nice but he leaves a lot to be desired at the plate. Like Cubbie, I doubt this guy ever fihures it out at the plate as he has been given every opportunity.

In the end though, we get out from under Green's bloated contract (mediocre fielding corner OFs who hit a whopping 22 HRs at BOB basically grow on trees) and get a guy with potential. If it works out, then we're set at CF for the foreseeable future. If it doesn't, we save around $15 million in salary.


Seems like a pretty obvious choice if it is an option. Some speed in the outfield, what a concept!!
 

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MaoTosiFanClub said:
Patterson's a hacker, pure and simple. He strikes out too much and doesn't walk enough. He coves plenty of ground in CF which will be nice but he leaves a lot to be desired at the plate. Like Cubbie, I doubt this guy ever fihures it out at the plate as he has been given every opportunity.

In the end though, we get out from under Green's bloated contract (mediocre fielding corner OFs who hit a whopping 22 HRs at BOB basically grow on trees) and get a guy with potential. If it works out, then we're set at CF for the foreseeable future. If it doesn't, we save around $15 million in salary.

LMAO Mao.....i turned that to my sig after reading the azcentral story this morning...

great minds think alike i guess....or at least Cat fans do....

However one of us is going to have to change as this is the equivalent of two women wearing the same dress to a party....

rock....paper.....scissors...name the time and place
 

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LMAO Mao.....i turned that to my sig after reading the azcentral story this morning...

great minds think alike i guess....or at least Cat fans do....

However one of us is going to have to change as this is the equivalent of two women wearing the same dress to a party....

rock....paper.....scissors...name the time and place


C'mon Mao, you have to find this a bit creepy. I mean you are both wearing dresses. This must be just a Tucson thing...
 

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ASUCHRIS said:
C'mon Mao, you have to find this a bit creepy. I mean you are both wearing dresses. This must be just a Tucson thing...

:rolleyes:

Apparently "Remedial Analogies 101" was a class you didn't pass at ASU....
 

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ASUCHRIS said:
C'mon Mao, you have to find this a bit creepy. I mean you are both wearing dresses. This must be just a Tucson thing...

AH HA! I am not wearing a dress and I am at Tucson.

I knew these assless chaps were a good buy!
 

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