Does Keim Have The Guts to Trade Up In the First Round?

[Stout]

At this point in time, I think the Bradford + Glennon + draft picks will be a greater opportunity than Bradford + Glennon + top-of-the-draft rookie QB with zero NFL throws - draft picks. The big difference is the big MINUS draft picks. . . and the big unknown on how the rookie will translate to the pros.

That's definitely where we differ, then. I don't rate Bradford as a quality starting QB in the NFL, and Glennon is just hot garbage, IMO. I'd rather take the chance on the next great QB than roll with them.

 

[Jetstream Green]

It will be a historical draft if 4 QBs succeed as franchise guys. The expectations for anyone in the top 10 needs to be a perennial ALL-PRO and possible future HOF. Anyone in the 11-31 ranged needs to perform as a pro-bowl player.

Do you really see 4 guys meeting that criteria in this year's draft?

The question is not if all four achieve that, but what if just two achieve that and that is significant enough... it comes down to who gets it right

 

[Solar7]

The question is not if all four achieve that, but what if just two achieve that and that is significant enough... it comes down to who gets it right

Still too many what-ifs for me.

I work in a profession that plays the odds and uses historical data to inform our decisions. I can't just accept a what-if. And this is where you and I have difficulty agreeing on any of this. Like we can just handle taking a stab at it and hoping we're right.

When the guys who have the first pick can't even make up their own mind, I'm not particularly compelled to give it all up for them.

 

[Stout]

Still too many what-ifs for me.

I work in a profession that plays the odds and uses historical data to inform our decisions. I can't just accept a what-if. And this is where you and I have difficulty agreeing on any of this. Like we can just handle taking a stab at it and hoping we're right.

When the guys who have the first pick can't even make up their own mind, I'm not particularly compelled to give it all up for them.

It's mathematically impossible to avoid what-ifs in sports.

 

[Solar7]

It's mathematically impossible to avoid what-ifs in sports.

True, but it's not mathematically impossible to say "this has almost never happened so it's statistically unlikely to happen."

Just because a 16 seed beat a #1 in March Madness this year, do you think the floodgates have suddenly opened on that, and now it's worth betting on 4 #16 seeds to do it?

 

[oaken1]

The question is not if all four achieve that, but what if just two achieve that and that is significant enough... it comes down to who gets it right

well...three have to make it big in order to match 83

 

[GimmedaBall]

That's definitely where we differ, then. I don't rate Bradford as a quality starting QB in the NFL, and Glennon is just hot garbage, IMO. I'd rather take the chance on the next great QB than roll with them.

That about sums up the debate.

 

[Jetstream Green]

well...three have to make it big in order to match 83

Only matters to me if there is one and the Cardinals choose him

 

[Gandhi]

It will be a historical draft if 4 QBs succeed as franchise guys.

That I can pretty much guarantee you won’t happen. Have you never liked a player that did not live up to your expectations? For starters, I thought highly of Robert Griffin.

The expectations for anyone in the top 10 needs to be a perennial ALL-PRO and possible future HOF. Anyone in the 11-31 ranged needs to perform as a pro-bowl player.

Do you really see 4 guys meeting that criteria in this year's draft?

Why do I have to see that? It’s fine that you have set your own criteria, but I don’t agree with them. Why is my approach only acceptable if I follow your criteria?

 

[GimmedaBall]

The question is not if all four achieve that, but what if just two achieve that and that is significant enough... it comes down to who gets it right

Or who gets it wrong.

 

[Arz101]

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[GimmedaBall]

Only matters to me if there is one and the Cardinals choose him

Let's us know who that 'One' is and I'll call SK pronto.

 

[GimmedaBall]

16 page thread to discuss Keim's guts?

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His testicles were also in the discussion. Let's be accurate with our body parts.

 

[GimmedaBall]

That I can pretty much guarantee you won’t happen. Have you never liked a player that did not live up to your expectations? For starters, I thought highly of Robert Griffin.



Why do I have to see that? It’s fine that you have set your own criteria, but I don’t agree with them. Why is my approach only acceptable if I follow your criteria?

That's what happens when you don't have a criteria of your own to offer.

What is your criteria (or expectations) for the four QBs?

 

[Buckybird]

Still too many what-ifs for me.

I work in a profession that plays the odds and uses historical data to inform our decisions. I can't just accept a what-if. And this is where you and I have difficulty agreeing on any of this. Like we can just handle taking a stab at it and hoping we're right.

When the guys who have the first pick can't even make up their own mind, I'm not particularly compelled to give it all up for them.

I guess all teams should avoid the “dreaded” first round QB lol

All I know is this, the higher you able to select one, the higher the odds of success.

 

[oaken1]

That's what happens when you don't have a criteria of your own to offer.

What is your criteria (or expectations) for the four QBs?

the basic truth is... if all four of the top QB's are successful enough to be regular starters in the NFL then the first round will have been an amazing success. solid nfl starters are hard to find.
if all four somehow manage to lead their teams to the SB and maybe win a few,... the draft will be considered legendary...
if all four manage to become HoF level QB's it will be the greatest QB draft of all time,...surpassing 83 that brought us Jim Kelly, John Elway, and Dan Marino

 

[Solar7]

I guess all teams should avoid the “dreaded” first round QB lol

All I know is this, the higher you able to select one, the higher the odds of success.

The higher you're able to select the first one.

By the time you're selecting the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... You may as well be in the basement.

 

[Buckybird]

Or who gets it wrong.

Let's us know who that 'One' is and I'll call SK pronto.

You & Solar definitely need to be scouts for Keim & Co so we can stay passive & assure ourselves that we never win a World Championship. Bravo

 

[Buckybird]

The higher you're able to select the first one.

By the time you're selecting the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... You may as well be in the basement.

We’re headed for the basement in 2018 bro & for quite awhile if we don’t make a move for the guy this staff likes.

 

[GimmedaBall]

You & Solar definitely need to be scouts for Keim & Co so we can stay passive & assure ourselves that we never win a World Championship. Bravo

How much does the job pay? I'm currently operating the 'Just for Laughs' Scouting Service and it would take some $$$ to give up that gig.

Perhaps you and Stout can get hired and be aggressive and assure that we never win another game because we can't build our roster minus all the draft picks that you gave up for the next Ryan Leaf or Jake Locker.

 

[GimmedaBall]

The higher you're able to select the first one.

By the time you're selecting the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... You may as well be in the basement.

Or out in the septic tank in the backyard.

 

[GimmedaBall]

We’re headed for the basement in 2018 bro & for quite awhile if we don’t make a move for the guy this staff likes.

They made their move for the guys they like---Bradford and Glennon. Live with it.

 

[Solar7]

You & Solar definitely need to be scouts for Keim & Co so we can stay passive & assure ourselves that we never win a World Championship. Bravo

Because all of the past Super Bowl winners got their QB by giving up Herschel Walker style trades for the 3rd or 4th QB in the draft, and the hapless Cardinals just haven't had the guts to.

We’re headed for the basement in 2018 bro & for quite awhile if we don’t make a move for the guy this staff likes.

See above. You get the QB when they come to you. You don't force them to come to you.

 

[oaken1]

The higher you're able to select the first one.

By the time you're selecting the 2nd, 3rd, 4th... You may as well be in the basement.

whose second, third, or fourth??

the media pundits like to create controversy so they can generate ratings and clicks.... what they dont want out there is the simple fact that Sam Darnold has been the first overall pick in this draft since this time last year. it really makes for boring news days if everyone knows who the top guy is.
they learned that back when andrew luck was in the draft. the only reason RG III made any noise on draft day was because the skins traded so much to go get him.... then tannehill sauntered through the draft a few picks later.

they spent more time discussing Brandon Wheedons age than they did who was going to be the top overall pick

controversy creates discussion...discussion creates clicks and ratings...clicks and ratings generate advertisers and make those dweebs feel like they are important.

simple fact remains. Sam Darnold was the best QB in this class a year ago and he still is today.

but will cleveland pick him at #1?? who knows,...its cleveland....

but if Darnold somehow managed to slide all the way to 15....14 GM's need to be fired with extreme prejudice monday morning

by your way of thinking...if that slide actually happens we should pass... because there must be something wrong with him if all those teams passed

but all those guys passing on him does not change the fact that he is the best QB prospect in this draft class

 

[Buckybird]

This is the last I post about this because people have their views & others have theirs & they won’t change.

Giving up picks the majority of the time isn’t the problem trading up it’s not selecting the right player. There’s plenty of examples of teams trading up that hit on player X & plenty of examples of teams missing on player X that traded up!!! Imo moving up in a round is just like buying a Ford Pinto or a corvette, one will cost more than the other. Doesn’t matter if you’re trading up for Julio Jones, Wentz, Mayfield, David Johnson, John Brown, the Badger, Budda Baker etc. all of the players have been assessed values & stacked accordingly based on a guess by scouts & teams.

Every single player picked is based on a guess, a hunch & a hope. It’s not an exact science, so yes players will bust. Trading is a gamble, but so is sitting pat & letting the draft play out pick by pick, team by team. You can lose out on talent & difference makers just like we did last season by sitting on our hands in round 1...by one simple pick!!! Giving up an extra 1, a 2 & possibly a 3 isn’t going to cripple any franchise!

Let’s hope whatever decision Keim makes is the right one. I will go to my grave saying we won’t win a World Championship without a stud QB!!! Peace out