Dwyer questioned and arrested for...Domestic Violence

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What's next, assault and battery on fetuses by the NFL tough guys. Our whole system of rewarding and coddling athletes from high school on is in question in my opinion. Something has gone terribly wrong with these young adult football players. Emotionally and mentally they are damaged goods and not working properly by any society's standards.

SBF I think you make a good point here. I don't necessarily agree with the damaged goods point. I do agree with the coddling and rewarding aspect of your statement. From the point at which they get recognition at the HS level they are given passes to some extent in HS with grades and are considered heroes when they are 17 and 18. This is where it starts. Even at this point they start to think they are above the norm and are the exception to the rules. It gets worse when they are recruited because now they think they are special and are more valuable than others. This just keeps snowballing as many of the colleges have athletic dorms which are nicer than the dreary cinder block dorms most have to stay in their Freshmen year. For many their way is paid and they are totally taken care of and protected in college. Their sense of value is so distorted by this point that they actually believe they can do anything and be exempt from punishment. They also believe that they should be given respect just because of who they are.

Respect is earned not given yet these guys believe it's their right. They have a distorted sense of superiority and a belief they are above and don't need to answer to any authority outside of football. The fact that many also maintain a inner group (that being the football team) they are not and don't expose themselves to the real world. They become legends in their own mind.
 

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SBF I think you make a good point here. I don't necessarily agree with the damaged goods point. I do agree with the coddling and rewarding aspect of your statement. From the point at which they get recognition at the HS level they are given passes to some extent in HS with grades and are considered heroes when they are 17 and 18. This is where it starts. Even at this point they start to think they are above the norm and are the exception to the rules. It gets worse when they are recruited because now they think they are special and are more valuable than others. This just keeps snowballing as many of the colleges have athletic dorms which are nicer than the dreary cinder block dorms most have to stay in their Freshmen year. For many their way is paid and they are totally taken care of and protected in college. Their sense of value is so distorted by this point that they actually believe they can do anything and be exempt from punishment. They also believe that they should be given respect just because of who they are.

Respect is earned not given yet these guys believe it's their right. They have a distorted sense of superiority and a belief they are above and don't need to answer to any authority outside of football. The fact that many also maintain a inner group (that being the football team) they are not and don't expose themselves to the real world. They become legends in their own mind.

I'd quibble with a point here or there, but in the end your letting the real enablers off the hook: family and fans.
 

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I cant believe a backup that we wont miss garnered this many pages.

Well, I had just added him to my Fantasy Football team on Monday...so there is that.

Then I added Abraham (yes, the league has defensive players too)...and he failed his concussion test.

No more adding Cardinals to my team.

Maybe I should pick up some Niners and Seahawks...
 

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I'd quibble with a point here or there, but in the end your letting the real enablers off the hook: family and fans.

I think you can also include alumni in this group. I think families are more inclusive at the high school level. Then when college rolls around the pressure of winning and the large sums of MONEY come into play.
 

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Well, I had just added him to my Fantasy Football team on Monday...so there is that.

Then I added Abraham (yes, the league has defensive players too)...and he failed his concussion test.

No more adding Cardinals to my team.

Maybe I should pick up some Niners and Seahawks...

What about the Ravens or Vikings? I hear there are a couple stud of a running back just released on many fantasy teams.
 

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Excuse me, Ronin, are you on the zero tolerance or the hide behind due process side of things?

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I cant believe a backup that we wont miss garnered this many pages.

Agreed.

Why there are 15 topics on this stuff on a football website, and yet the truth below garners no pages.

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Bidwill needs to put him on the exemption list if this is true, pending the outcome of the investigation/trial/whatever.

Only one reporter is reporting this right now, so I am hoping it isn't true.

We need to show the League how to take care of this. We can't look as stupid as the other organizations in the NFL.

IF we want to show anyone how to take care of this, we need to wait out the sesationalism and let all the facts surface first. I hate when the papers and TV want to be first to run with it, but don't come back to retract when proven wrong. THAT will make you look stupid.
 
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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m
Cardinals placing RB Jonathan Dwyer on reserve, non-football illness, per source, meaning they'll have option not to pay him.

They are apparently doing this for his mental illness/suicide threats.
 
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IF we want to show anyone how to take care of this, we need to wait out the sesationalism and let all the facts surface first. I hate when the papers and TV want to be first to run with it, but don't come back to retract when proven wrong. THAT will make you look stupid.


This. Media outlets value sensationalism above accuracy all the time. Let the fact become clear. Act accordingly.
 

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The #Cardinals will pay RB Jonathan Dwyer while he’s on the reserve/NFI list, I’m told. With this designation, they have the option not to
 

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I wonder how much jewelry has been bought by NFL players this past week? Wouldn't be at all surprised if there has been a significant uptick.
 

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according to this tweet you guys are paying him...
Mike Garafolo ‏@MikeGarafolo 2m
They will pay him. I was sending it in but @rjaffe1 is texting me. RT @NFLonFOX: Cardinals placed Jonathan Dwyer NFI, option not to pay him
 
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Yeah it sounds like they chose that designation, not because they didn't have to pay him, but because he threatened suicide.
 

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Agreed.

Why there are 15 topics on this stuff on a football website, and yet the truth below garners no pages.

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