Dwyer questioned and arrested for...Domestic Violence

[Azlen]

I don't care as much for her motivation for going to the police now. If he broke her nose then he should be punished by both the league and the courts. If it was all a pile of horse manure to help her in a divorce case or the like then I believe that she should be punished to the full extent of the law.

 

[Buckybird]

nothing on Cards site yet.

Like they're gonna say something right now

 

[BW52]

Like they're gonna say something right now

Someone posted earlier that Cards deactivated Dwyer.That`s why I was looking.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Exactly...Listen to Wilf's main talking points this morning: We listened to our fans, our community, our SPONSORS...We had to get this "right".

Easy to say after you got it 'wrong' to begin with.

 

[Buckybird]

Someone posted earlier that Cards deactivated Dwyer.That`s why I was looking.

Gotcha

I'm just razzing you.

 

[BW52]

Gotcha

I'm just razzing you.

writing back to you caused me to miss checking up on my still and "plants" in the back 40.

 

[BillsCarnage]

That isnt the issue here, in my opinion. The issue is the uninformed keyboard warriors that make up public opinion are dictating what employers do, and that is a disservice to the players and the league.

A-freakin-men!

I don't care as much for her motivation for going to the police now. If he broke her nose then he should be punished by both the league and the courts. If it was all a pile of horse manure to help her in a divorce case or the like then I believe that she should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Maybe this was her way to get him to pay for a nose job??

 

[Buckybird]

writing back to you caused me to miss checking up on my still and "plants" in the back 40.

 

[splitsecond]

Isn`t the real disservice to the league the continued poor behavior and then the scripted halfass apology that follows.
If the so-called keyboard warriors get disgusted along with the general public does that invalidate public opinion?People will think about a team or a sport because of something remembered or liked or something disliked.................................that`s that persons choice.So who is doing the real disservice? The players acting like criminals or the people thinking about what`s on the news repeatedly these days.

Players involved in criminal activity most certainly a disservice.

The media and internet going on and on and on about a CLOSED 2013 CPS report that lead to no action, and was legally supposed to be sealed, and then condemning Peterson and the Vikings based on that information is a disservice to everyone.

Assuming a player is guilty because they are arrested is a disservice.


The problem with these things is there are a thousand moving parts, including victims who are afraid to speak out, or victims who are not exactly innocent (just because someone isn't charged doesn't mean they didn't physically start a fight), and victims who have something to gain. Then there are the revenge victims.

Look, i am not minimizing criminal acts. But the majority of my experience with DV was defending appointed clients in Eloy, AZ when I first started practicing law. The things I saw there have made me extremely skeptical of DV victims - regardless of gender. So in my eyes, until a conviction or plea is entered, none of us as individuals have any business judging an accused player. Sure if the NFL and the teams want to place them on leave to have it resolved then they are free to do that like any other employer. But if they don't want to do that IT IS NOT OUR PLACE to demand they do so, because it is their right as an employer to keep them on board. If we don't like it, we don't buy their products.

 

[ajcardfan]

Players involved in criminal activity most certainly a disservice.

The media and internet going on and on and on about a CLOSED 2013 CPS report that lead to no action, and was legally supposed to be sealed, and then condemning Peterson and the Vikings based on that information is a disservice to everyone.

Assuming a player is guilty because they are arrested is a disservice.


The problem with these things is there are a thousand moving parts, including victims who are afraid to speak out, or victims who are not exactly innocent (just because someone isn't charged doesn't mean they didn't physically start a fight), and victims who have something to gain. Then there are the revenge victims.

Look, i am not minimizing criminal acts. But the majority of my experience with DV was defending appointed clients in Eloy, AZ when I first started practicing law. The things I saw there have made me extremely skeptical of DV victims - regardless of gender. So in my eyes, until a conviction or plea is entered, none of us as individuals have any business judging an accused player. Sure if the NFL and the teams want to place them on leave to have it resolved then they are free to do that like any other employer. But if they don't want to do that IT IS NOT OUR PLACE to demand they do so, because it is their right as an employer to keep them on board. If we don't like it, we don't buy their products.

Which is exactly why these teams are now falling over each other to suspend these players before the legal process is finished.

Shouldn't your beef now be redirected at the NFL owners?

 

[splitsecond]

Which is exactly why these teams are now falling over each other to suspend these players before the legal process is finished.



Shouldn't your beef now be redirected at the NFL owners?

No one has stopped buying anything and I don't think for the most part people will. Players can't be subject to new proceedings, there is a CBA. The NFL is overreacting to people who know nothing and may not even effect the in one of the NFL or it's sponsors. You really think the congressman who wants to revoke the NFL tax exempt status cares about or spends money on the NFL.

There needs to be a special session between the NFL owners and the union to put a protocol in place.

My biggest beef is with the public and how we have become a society ready to crucify someone when we are uninformed, simply because we have so much electronic drivel at our fingertips, and the publics willingness to spew their uninformed hate without recourse because they can.


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[ajcardfan]

No one has stopped buying anything and I don't think for the most part people will. Players can't be subject to new proceedings, there is a CBA. The NFL is overreacting to people who know nothing and may not even effect the in one of the NFL or it's sponsors. You really think the congressman who wants to revoke the NFL tax exempt status cares about or spends money on the NFL.

There needs to be a special session between the NFL owners and the union to put a protocol in place.

My biggest beef is with the public and how we have become a society ready to crucify someone when we are uninformed, simply because we have so much electronic drivel at our fingertips, and the publics willingness to spew their uninformed hate without recourse because they can.


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Or, you could look at it as it is a hell of a lot harder to hide things than it used to be. There are pics in both the AP and Dwyer cases and a video of Rice's. It's not like everyone is just completely talking out their butt.

Times are changing. That's what happens on this ball of mud and rock.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

No one has stopped buying anything and I don't think for the most part people will. Players can't be subject to new proceedings, there is a CBA. The NFL is overreacting to people who know nothing and may not even effect the in one of the NFL or it's sponsors. You really think the congressman who wants to revoke the NFL tax exempt status cares about or spends money on the NFL.

There needs to be a special session between the NFL owners and the union to put a protocol in place.

My biggest beef is with the public and how we have become a society ready to crucify someone when we are uninformed, simply because we have so much electronic drivel at our fingertips, and the publics willingness to spew their uninformed hate without recourse because they can.


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When fans and sponsors speak, owners listen.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/nf...-heat-nfl-over-handling-abuse-scandal-n204736

 

[Azlen]

My biggest beef is with the public and how we have become a society ready to crucify someone when we are uninformed, simply because we have so much electronic drivel at our fingertips, and the publics willingness to spew their uninformed hate without recourse because they can.

This brings to mind an old episode of 21 Jump Street that has somehow stuck with me all these years. The title of the episode was called The Currency We Trade In or something like that and was essentially about how a public figure can be taken down just by an allegation even if that allegation turned out not to be true. I don't think that it is the electronic drivel at our fingertips that have made us this way. That episode was done in the late 80s before Twitter even existed. The court of public opinion is much older than you give it credit for.

 

[Dback Jon]

No one has stopped buying anything and I don't think for the most part people will. Players can't be subject to new proceedings, there is a CBA. The NFL is overreacting to people who know nothing and may not even effect the in one of the NFL or it's sponsors. You really think the congressman who wants to revoke the NFL tax exempt status cares about or spends money on the NFL.

There needs to be a special session between the NFL owners and the union to put a protocol in place.

My biggest beef is with the public and how we have become a society ready to crucify someone when we are uninformed, simply because we have so much electronic drivel at our fingertips, and the publics willingness to spew their uninformed hate without recourse because they can.


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On the other hand, you have many instances of crimes committed by athletes that are not reported or covered up BECAUSE they are athletes. Look at Steubenville.

I think there is a general anger that those in power/celebrity/wealth get treated differently than the rest of us when it comes to matters like this - affluenza, anyone?


See the Gloria Allred allegations against Brandon Marshall today - that the NFL turned a blind eye to DV in the past. There is a lack of trust that the NFL will treat this in a proper manner.

Of course everyone should get their day in court. And arrested does not = guilt. But suspension with pay is the proper response, IMHO. I would hope (although I know that this is not always the case) that the PD would not arrest someone without at LEAST a credible story/evidence.

 

[crisper57]

2 incidents in July. 1 against wife involving a fracture. The other involving an 18 month old infant. Prevented use of phone during emergency. Wife took child out of town immediately. PHX PD have been building a case since then , getting out of state records.

 

[82CardsGrad]

2 incidents in July. 1 against wife involving a fracture. The other involving an 18 month old infant. Prevented use of phone during emergency. Wife took child out of town immediately. PHX PD have been building a case since then , getting out of state records.

He is screwed...

 

[Dback Jon]

This brings to mind an old episode of 21 Jump Street that has somehow stuck with me all these years. The title of the episode was called The Currency We Trade In or something like that and was essentially about how a public figure can be taken down just by an allegation even if that allegation turned out not to be true. I don't think that it is the electronic drivel at our fingertips that have made us this way. That episode was done in the late 80s before Twitter even existed. The court of public opinion is much older than you give it credit for.

Google "Ma, Ma where's my Pa?"...

 

[Dback Jon]

2 incidents in July. 1 against wife involving a fracture. The other involving an 18 month old infant. Prevented use of phone during emergency. Wife took child out of town immediately. PHX PD have been building a case since then , getting out of state records.

Sounds like Phoenix PD has done their homework and this case would have come out regardless of the Rice/Petersen fiascos.


If true, he needs to be cut.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

Sounds like Phoenix PD has done their homework and this case would have come out regardless of the Rice/Petersen fiascos.


If true, he needs to be cut.

+1

 

[ajcardfan]

+1

Well, that sure answered your question from earlier in the thread.

 

[D-Dogg]

Sounds like Phoenix PD has done their homework and this case would have come out regardless of the Rice/Petersen fiascos.


If true, he needs to be cut.

Yep.

Freaking idiot.

At our spot of least depth.

 

[Covert Rain]

That isnt the issue here, in my opinion. The issue is the uninformed keyboard warriors that make up public opinion are dictating what employers do, and that is a disservice to the players and the league.

I think you give keyboard warriors way to much credit and public opinion for that matter. Despite any influence you think they have you are focusing on one aspect of public opinion.

If it wasn't for public opinion the league wouldn't care what their players do period. They wouldn't care if they get DUI's....they wouldn't care if they beat their kids or their wives. The almighty dollar would do all the talking.

Are there some negative aspect to public opinion? OK, I will give you that but you should be thanking public opinion not condemning it. That's not to say public opinion is always right. However, it sure as hell keeps corporations, business and now sports franchises in check.

 

[MoeIsBetter]

All this news made me think of this old nugget:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2008/12/30/restraining-order-for-fitzgerald/

Can you imagine this in today's world?

He'd have been put on that list and cut next offseason. We would probably never see Fitz in a Cards jersey again.

 

[crisper57]

Cards telling Gambo that Rainey won't be activated as a replacement. They'll go outside the organization.