Earl Watson has been fired

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For what it's worth Booker seems ok with Watson's firing. He said he should have been given a little more time but he understands why he was fired. I wonder if he'll comment on Bledsoe, I don't think he will until he's gone but who knows.


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Mehmet Okur deleted his instagram post but before doing so Bledsoe liked it.

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/10/23/16520080/mehmet-okur-suns-coach-fired-instagram


Glad to see Dudley accept some responsibility and step up as a leader. Hopefully he's not traded away without something of value in return because his leadership has been on display since he resigned with the team.

Wow, Eric Bledsoe really is a ***. He isn't a leader, probably never will be. Just another spoiled millionaire who plays a game for a living who thinks he's destined for more.

You can't say crap like that, have it blow up nationally, then like Okur's blowup, and then try to lie to the GM.

I could almost understand the 'slip', but after these two other things, it's quite obvious what his true colors are. He's pathetic.
 
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I'm sure we'd all be glad to have Sarver sell the team, even though we might just jump from the frying pan to the fire. When PH mentioned James Jones a few pages back, I began to wonder if it was a hire that McD was happy about or did he feel that it was the first step of Sarver canning him. True, he'd just gotten a decent extension which is generally thought of a sign that a person's position is secure. But I don't have a lot of faith in Sarver - almost certainly Jones reports to him and I could well imagine Sarver wanting another person in the FO with BB smarts, who'll keep an eye on McD. Just the kind of thing we don't need in the FO - its been bad enough as is.

I'm reasonably happy with McD player moves but, of course, I wasn't happy about hiring Watson without considering any other candidates - and I was very unhappy with the job Watson did last year - X's & O's and overall coaching decisions. The other thing is that McD does not seem to have a finger on the pulse of the team though Hornacek was also lacking in that regard - I'm thinking about PG mess and the handling of the Morris bros. Now we have the Bledso episode and quick hook for Watson and his apparently fomenting dissension. Chriss' attitude in the summer league and presently. McD just doesn't run a taut ship - perhaps because of his boss, though I think some part of it falls on McD himself.

So here we are faced with another HC decision and McD is -2 for 2 on that scoreboard. I can't help but think this is right juncture to fire him, much as I dislike the idea of Sarver being the one to replace him.
 

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I wasn't going to start a new thread for this but thought I'd post it here. Over on Reddit the fans are trying to raise money for a billboard pushing for Sarver to sell the team. It's about $1600 for the billboards, details in the GoFundMe about location and length they'd be up, and if he doesn't reach the goal he'll issue refunds. The plan is to get the billboards closest to the stadium during a home-stand.

I've talked with the guy organizing it because I'm going to try to help with the design if he raises the cash and he seems legit. Thought I'd share it here, I've donated and like I said may help with the design if the goal is met.


Link to the GoFundMe
 
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I'd rather have a bad franchise than no franchise... if Sarver sells I suspect the Suns would no longer exist.
 

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I think Sarver selling raises the likelihood that the team moves but I don't think it's guaranteed. I know Grant Hill was involved with a group that was trying to buy a team not long ago, within the last year or two, and I can't see him being part of a group that would move the Suns. That would be if he was involved in a deal for who Sarver sold to.

Sarver gets a lot of blame, sometimes it's justified but lately I don't think the Sarver hate is that fair. He's been hands off and he stepped in because of how the team got embarrassed during it's opening this year. If what is reported is true about Watson telling players he had 2 weeks to win and lying to create an "Us vs Them" attitude regarding the players vs the management then he deserved to be fired, whether it was McD or Sarver doing the firing. When you're firing a coach so early in the season then I think it's normal to get approval from the owner. I've seen fans ripping him here, other message boards, and on Reddit though in addition to probably 3 articles about how he needs to sell the team from the national media.

When changes are made with a team, coaching or big time trades, you hardly hear other teams owners brought up unless it's a big market (LA with Buss or Balmer & NY with Dolan) or a famous owner like Dallas (Cuban) or Charlotte (Jordan). Somehow Sarver is mentioned just as much as those owners and he's not a celebrity and Phoenix isn't a huge market. Comparably how often do you hear the owner of Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Philly, or Atlanta brought into discussions about their franchise? They're similar sized markets, so why does Sarver get singled out so often? I'm referring to the national coverage now. They're rarely mentioned unless the team is for sale, their owners aren't brought up during coaching changes or when their "star" player requests a trade. How often did the Pacers owner get mentioned when George asked out? I know Sarver made himself a target with his early antics, the chicken dance and the foam finger, but to still hold that against him when he's taken a back seat isn't fair, IMO. He has definitely taken a backseat, that isn't just spin either. Go to another teams message board and see how often their owner is mentioned, I guarantee it's less than Sarver is brought up by Suns fans unless it's LA, NY, Dallas, or Charlotte.
 

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I think Sarver selling raises the likelihood that the team moves but I don't think it's guaranteed. I know Grant Hill was involved with a group that was trying to buy a team not long ago, within the last year or two, and I can't see him being part of a group that would move the Suns. That would be if he was involved in a deal for who Sarver sold to.

Sarver gets a lot of blame, sometimes it's justified but lately I don't think the Sarver hate is that fair. He's been hands off and he stepped in because of how the team got embarrassed during it's opening this year. If what is reported is true about Watson telling players he had 2 weeks to win and lying to create an "Us vs Them" attitude regarding the players vs the management then he deserved to be fired, whether it was McD or Sarver doing the firing. When you're firing a coach so early in the season then I think it's normal to get approval from the owner. I've seen fans ripping him here, other message boards, and on Reddit though in addition to probably 3 articles about how he needs to sell the team from the national media.

When changes are made with a team, coaching or big time trades, you hardly hear other teams owners brought up unless it's a big market (LA with Buss or Balmer & NY with Dolan) or a famous owner like Dallas (Cuban) or Charlotte (Jordan). Somehow Sarver is mentioned just as much as those owners and he's not a celebrity and Phoenix isn't a huge market. Comparably how often do you hear the owner of Detroit, Orlando, Indiana, Philly, or Atlanta brought into discussions about their franchise? They're similar sized markets, so why does Sarver get singled out so often? I'm referring to the national coverage now. They're rarely mentioned unless the team is for sale, their owners aren't brought up during coaching changes or when their "star" player requests a trade. How often did the Pacers owner get mentioned when George asked out? I know Sarver made himself a target with his early antics, the chicken dance and the foam finger, but to still hold that against him when he's taken a back seat isn't fair, IMO. He has definitely taken a backseat, that isn't just spin either. Go to another teams message board and see how often their owner is mentioned, I guarantee it's less than Sarver is brought up by Suns fans unless it's LA, NY, Dallas, or Charlotte.
'Sorry, but I disagree with your post. Sarver involved himself in the day-to-day right from the start. And calling attention himself with the fans with the foam finger. Sarver even acted as interim GM with no qualifications for the job. He brought it all on himself. 'Hey, look at me. I have a new toy. An NBA basketball team.'

By the time he took a step back, it was too late. He identified himself as as NBA clown and took our beloved team down with him. The ongoing 3 lead Point Guard approach didn't help.
 

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'Sorry, but I disagree with your post. Sarver involved himself in the day-to-day right from the start. And calling attention himself with the fans with the foam finger. Sarver even acted as interim GM with no qualifications for the job. He brought it all on himself. 'Hey, look at me. I have a new toy. An NBA basketball team.'

By the time he took a step back, it was too late. He identified himself as as NBA clown and took our beloved team down with him. The ongoing 3 lead Point Guard approach didn't help.

That Foam Finger/Chicken dance combo told me everything I ever needed to know about that jackass.
 

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'Sorry, but I disagree with your post. Sarver involved himself in the day-to-day right from the start. And calling attention himself with the fans with the foam finger. Sarver even acted as interim GM with no qualifications for the job. He brought it all on himself. 'Hey, look at me. I have a new toy. An NBA basketball team.'

By the time he took a step back, it was too late. He identified himself as as NBA clown and took our beloved team down with him. The ongoing 3 lead Point Guard approach didn't help.
The foam finger was YEARS ago. There is a lot to fault Sarver with, but the embarrassing court side antics are ancient history.
 

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Name a larger market than Phoenix that doesn’t already have a team.


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Name a larger market than Phoenix that doesn’t already have a team.


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If the Coyotes can't seem to find a way out of town, I highly, highly doubt the Suns will ever leave Phx.
 

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Apparently Okur bought into Watson's shtick more than anyone. He made a post on Instagram after the news came out...

"Family first Other little s... and MFS comes and goes in my life ✌️F... em I am out for now y'all ☝️ see y'all down the road "

Wow, Turkish looks more like English than I realized! I can almost read that.
 

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Reminds me of Mark Jackson with the Warriors. He did the same thing, tried to "motivate" his team with a preachers mentality and by saying their own management was rooting against them. Flat out idiotic.

He got fired, the Warriors instantly became one of the best teams in league history and he has never sniffed another job.

And yet half of this board wants him in Phoenix.
 

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The foam finger was YEARS ago. There is a lot to fault Sarver with, but the embarrassing court side antics are ancient history.
You never get a second chance to make a first impression. That was just the hint of things to come when he involved himself in the day-to-day decisions.

Good owners have the confidence in the personnel they chose to delegate authority to them.
 
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If the Suns would have had to reverse their funk after 20 or so games, the attitude would be catch-up for the rest of the season, which puts a lot of pressure on a young team.

After three games, no badly how we lost two of them, all we have to do is get to .500. And it's a whole new ballgame. Making the coaching change so early has made it easier for our young team to develop the feeling of success..
 

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