Eli Manning or Josh McCown?
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All I'm going to say is that Josh has the same bust potential as Manning.
But he (Josh) has a couple of things going for him:
1)Not being paid first round money.
2)Has had NFL game time experince.
3)Has sat for 1 and 1/2 years (something Manning will have to do).
But he (Josh) has a couple of things going for him:
1)Not being paid first round money.
2)Has had NFL game time experince.
3)Has sat for 1 and 1/2 years (something Manning will have to do).
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Just Wonderin
I was just wondering how many would pass on Eli if we had the chance.
Apparently quite a few.
Does that say you think Eli will suck or Josh is a sure thing?
Maybe neither one.
Maybe Josh will turn out to be a Tom Brady.
Let's hope so.
I was just wondering how many would pass on Eli if we had the chance.
Apparently quite a few.
Does that say you think Eli will suck or Josh is a sure thing?
Maybe neither one.
Maybe Josh will turn out to be a Tom Brady.
Let's hope so.
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I dont think either is a sure thing. I see the same amount of promise in both so why have both?
Ride McCown whi is also financially puts this team in a better spot to fix other areas of need later on down the road!
I dont think either is a sure thing. I see the same amount of promise in both so why have both?
Ride McCown whi is also financially puts this team in a better spot to fix other areas of need later on down the road!
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What if Josh pulls a Plummer?
What if Eli pulls a Manning?
What if Big Ben is better than either one?
What if Josh pulls a Plummer?
What if Eli pulls a Manning?
What if Big Ben is better than either one?
Originally posted by Shane H
Way to add your argument for why its so funny.....
You said we could laugh at his comments...so I'm laughing at his comments.
I'm "in agreeance" with you on everything today.
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LVCARDFREAK,
I absolutely, empathically disagree........there is a so called "franchise QB" who comes along every year......be it a Leaf, Akili Smith, Carson Palmer, Tim Couch, Bryon Leftwich, Harrington, Henson......shall I go on and on and on and on and on.......when will people realize that a "franchise QB" designation should be reserved for the truly great.....once they have been proven to be truly great.............this infatuation with "the family name" stuff has got to stop.....otherwise we would have Kennedy's in the White House for the last fifty years.
I don't begrudge a fan who likes a particular draft candidate over another, but this unfounded love affair with Eli makes ZERO sense! He has done NOTHING
LVCARDFREAK,
I absolutely, empathically disagree........there is a so called "franchise QB" who comes along every year......be it a Leaf, Akili Smith, Carson Palmer, Tim Couch, Bryon Leftwich, Harrington, Henson......shall I go on and on and on and on and on.......when will people realize that a "franchise QB" designation should be reserved for the truly great.....once they have been proven to be truly great.............this infatuation with "the family name" stuff has got to stop.....otherwise we would have Kennedy's in the White House for the last fifty years.
I don't begrudge a fan who likes a particular draft candidate over another, but this unfounded love affair with Eli makes ZERO sense! He has done NOTHING
I choose McCown.
Brevity
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I chose Eli. I appear to be the 19th idiot.
spanky1
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So are you mellowing.......because of the voice of reason or because your poll is now evening out......and, I'll just leave it at that!
So are you mellowing.......because of the voice of reason or because your poll is now evening out......and, I'll just leave it at that!
I concur. I cast my write-in vote for Ben Roethlisberger.
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Josh McCown, not because of "potential", "experience" or anything else. Because of the economics of the situation.
Josh will cost far less and be less destructive to the cap situation for the Cards. Plus, he did show a little bit of ability, albeit in some meaningless games in a dismal season. He shows a strong arm and the ability to move around. BUT, he had better learn to run out of bounds or slide quicker or we will be seeing Mr. King by about week 2 next season.
Eli may (probably will) turn out to be a very, very good QB in the league. But I say stick with Josh, get more players (plural) with the money saved. If Dennis can't make Josh a better QB then he really doesn't have "potential" he's just a small college QB who lived a dream for a couple of years.
Josh will cost far less and be less destructive to the cap situation for the Cards. Plus, he did show a little bit of ability, albeit in some meaningless games in a dismal season. He shows a strong arm and the ability to move around. BUT, he had better learn to run out of bounds or slide quicker or we will be seeing Mr. King by about week 2 next season.
Eli may (probably will) turn out to be a very, very good QB in the league. But I say stick with Josh, get more players (plural) with the money saved. If Dennis can't make Josh a better QB then he really doesn't have "potential" he's just a small college QB who lived a dream for a couple of years.
You can't discount the fact that Manning is a Manning.
Not only is he very talented (and already has shown the ability to read defenses and change plays at the line, in college, effectively) but he also has a network of NFL minds. Sure, you can say that stuff doesn't matter, but it does.
Eli is the most NFL ready QB in this draft. Ben has more physical skills, but I'd take Eli in a heartbeat.
The only reasonable way to vote for McCown is the economics of the situation. I will nod if that is your reasoning. If you are saying Josh will be a better QB than Eli, I think you're taking a larger risk than you take by drafting Eli.
If Eli and Mike Williams are available..I think we should take Williams. If Eli and Fitz are available, it's a tossup. If both Fitz and Mike Williams are off the board, we would be stupid not to take Eli. Best Player Available. In that case, he would be it.
Not only is he very talented (and already has shown the ability to read defenses and change plays at the line, in college, effectively) but he also has a network of NFL minds. Sure, you can say that stuff doesn't matter, but it does.
Eli is the most NFL ready QB in this draft. Ben has more physical skills, but I'd take Eli in a heartbeat.
The only reasonable way to vote for McCown is the economics of the situation. I will nod if that is your reasoning. If you are saying Josh will be a better QB than Eli, I think you're taking a larger risk than you take by drafting Eli.
If Eli and Mike Williams are available..I think we should take Williams. If Eli and Fitz are available, it's a tossup. If both Fitz and Mike Williams are off the board, we would be stupid not to take Eli. Best Player Available. In that case, he would be it.
Oh, and I wouldn't be shocked if we took a QB at #3. The subject has been on DG's lips so often, its starting to seem like he doth protest too much.
I'm starting to smell a major league smokescreen.
I'm starting to smell a major league smokescreen.
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Big Ben Baby!!
Just read an article on him in Pro Football Weekly last night and am convinced he is the best to come along in a long time, we (excuse me coach-) NEED Ben now!!
LVCARDFREAK
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Thats great.
We have had this discussion before. I unlike you apparently, have actually watched Manning play. Like I told Shane I dont care if his name was Smith, Jones or whatever, he is still a hell of a prospect and deserves every mention he is getting. It seems your the one obsessed witht he last name, not me.
As far as those other QB's you name, well good luck with that. You were also the one to name Walters and Leinhart as next years franchise QB's werent you?
Thats great.
We have had this discussion before. I unlike you apparently, have actually watched Manning play. Like I told Shane I dont care if his name was Smith, Jones or whatever, he is still a hell of a prospect and deserves every mention he is getting. It seems your the one obsessed witht he last name, not me.
As far as those other QB's you name, well good luck with that. You were also the one to name Walters and Leinhart as next years franchise QB's werent you?
LVCARDFREAK
In the league 20 years!
Proven exactly what?
That he can play and lose 3 of 4 games???
LVCARDFREAK
In the league 20 years!
You arent putting all your eggs in one basket with drafting Manning. You would be grooming him for the future. McCown may be a world beater (although thats highly unlikely) and that would be great. Having 2 good QB's on the roster...Imagine that!
Yes the games McCown played in do count. He did play in them and faired average. My point is there was no pressure on him at all and thus this year will be complatly different!
