Fire Green -- NOW!!

[ajcardfan]

Denny gets a free pass from me this year as we all know, rebuilding an OL takes a good 7-10 years.

Having said that with tongue firmly in cheek, Denny shouldn't be fired now because it is nonsensical and he won't be fired after this year regardless of the outcome.

LVCard...if you listen to his pressers, I rarely if ever hear of any introspection into himself for his teams crappy play. He passes EVERYTHING bad off onto others without ever offering up any weaknesses on his part. Yet when he discusses things that go well, he is sure to insert himself into the equation. I won't discuss the point further because you don't wish to hear/see some things (I am no different...Denny can do little right (and has done little right) by my book and I am willing to admit it).

In a handful of press conferences last year he squarely set the blame on himself for both the team's performance and, in particular, the struggles of the oline.

But, what good is that supposed to do anyhow? Other than giving the fans and media some sort of satisfaction in confirming their own opinions? It sure doesn't make the team play better the next week.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

LVCard...if you listen to his pressers, I rarely if ever hear of any introspection into himself for his teams crappy play. He passes EVERYTHING bad off onto others without ever offering up any weaknesses on his part. Yet when he discusses things that go well, he is sure to insert himself into the equation. I won't discuss the point further because you don't wish to hear/see some things (I am no different...Denny can do little right (and has done little right) by my book and I am willing to admit it).

Actually if you remember last year there were times, if I remember correctly, where Green kinda called himself out on some of the things going wrong. I cant site specifics so I understand if you arent buying it, but I seriously remember it.

On the other hand, I don't count myself in the "Green can do no wrong" camp. I have cited before that his handling of the o-line has been atrocious at times, I do not believe he is a great game day coach as most on this board feel as well.

However, I do get tired of some of the Fire Green posts around here. There are certain people that have never liked him from day 1 and everything that goes wrong with the team they lay at his feet. Not lay at his feet in the "buck stop at the head coach" sense, but more just their total dislike for him regardless if the team is winning, losing, or otherwise.

I dont even have a problem with posters like yourself who readily admit as such. At least I know you have never liked him and call him out as such...

Anyway, I get as worked up over this as anyone and watching people call for the removal of a HC after 2 games is just incredible to me.

Where were those people last week when the offense was clicking on all cylinders?

 

[Mitch]

Actually if you remember last year there were times, if I remember correctly, where Green kinda called himself out on some of the things going wrong. I cant site specifics so I understand if you arent buying it, but I seriously remember it.

On the other hand, I don't count myself in the "Green can do no wrong" camp. I have cited before that his handling of the o-line has been atrocious at times, I do not believe he is a great game day coach as most on this board feel as well.

However, I do get tired of some of the Fire Green posts around here. There are certain people that have never liked him from day 1 and everything that goes wrong with the team they lay at his feet. Not lay at his feet in the "buck stop at the head coach" sense, but more just their total dislike for him regardless if the team is winning, losing, or otherwise.

I dont even have a problem with posters like yourself who readily admit as such. At least I know you have never liked him and call him out as such...

Anyway, I get as worked up over this as anyone and watching people call for the removal of a HC after 2 games is just incredible to me.

Where were those people last week when the offense was clicking on all cylinders?

I think you are taking the post too literally, LV. The spirit of the post is wrapped up in the fact that yesterday's lemon was the bitter pill we had to suck on 21 times in the last two years under DG's leadership...same lousy script...it would be one thing if the team was making smart decisions and not executing...but...be real...sprinting a field goal unit onto the field when the ball could have been easily spiked? Punting with still a chance (albeit slight) to try to win the game?

BTW, that missed FG turned out to be huge, because if Rackers has time to set up properly and he makes it...(A) the Cards have a least some momentum going into halftime...and (B) the Cards would have been within one TD and a 2 point conversion to tie the game later on.

 

[NEZCardsfan]

Even I don't want to fire DG yet....do it on New Year's Eve.

Happy New Year

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

I think you are taking the post too literally, LV. The spirit of the post is wrapped up in the fact that yesterday's lemon was the bitter pill we had to suck on 21 times in the last two years under DG's leadership...same lousy script...it would be one thing if the team was making smart decisions and not executing...but...be real...sprinting a field goal unit onto the field when the ball could have been easily spiked? Punting with still a chance (albeit slight) to try to win the game?

BTW, that missed FG turned out to be huge, because if Rackers has time to set up properly and he makes it...(A) the Cards have a least some momentum going into halftime...and (B) the Cards would have been within one TD and a 2 point conversion to tie the game later on.

He could've just as easily missed it. He just missed a 51 yarder with all the time in the world to set up. Is it poor coaching that the team is drilled in that scenario? The players didn't execute but it's Green's fault.I'm starting to see a pattern.

 

[az1965]

BTW, that missed FG turned out to be huge, because if Rackers has time to set up properly and he makes it...(A) the Cards have a least some momentum going into halftime...and (B) the Cards would have been within one TD and a 2 point conversion to tie the game later on.

The saftey we let slip could have cut it down to 6 pts and with more than 5 min in the end, we would be driving for game winning TD.

 

[Cbus cardsfan]

The saftey we let slip could have cut it down to 6 pts and with more than 5 min in the end, we would be driving for game winning TD.

I blame the loss on Dockett . No wait, i blame Green for Dockett letting Alexander slip out of the end zone. That's bad coaching.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I think you are taking the post too literally, LV. The spirit of the post is wrapped up in the fact that yesterday's lemon was the bitter pill we had to suck on 21 times in the last two years under DG's leadership...same lousy script...it would be one thing if the team was making smart decisions and not executing...but...be real...sprinting a field goal unit onto the field when the ball could have been easily spiked? Punting with still a chance (albeit slight) to try to win the game?

BTW, that missed FG turned out to be huge, because if Rackers has time to set up properly and he makes it...(A) the Cards have a least some momentum going into halftime...and (B) the Cards would have been within one TD and a 2 point conversion to tie the game later on.

No actually I am not. Your entire 10 paragraph post yesterday very elequently layed out what happened to the team from point a to point z and in the end 99% of it you blamed on Green. Ok, I get it. You never have liked him. But at what point do we hold the players accountable?

I have heard a number of different theories on the the FG attempt. A.)It was a practiced play and they 20 seconds left on the clock. The snap occurred with 2 seconds left and Rackers just missed it. Considering the amount of penalties on the oline (inclduing false starts) whose to say a lineup to spike the ball wouldnt have resulted in a penalty, thus running off the remaining time on the clock (since the Cards had no timeouts left)?

On 4th and 28 form your side of the field, with your defense playing well and causing turnovers, the odds say to punt the ball. chances of getting a 1st down on 4th and 28 are less than 5%. Wasn't gonna happen.

The part I found more disturbing was taking time off the clock with running plays prior to, and after, the BJ TD. However even that is debatable b/c every time Warner dropped back he was getting killed.

I also thought the decison to not go strickly shotgun once the game got out of hand was a peculiar one. If you are under center and getting killed, and you have to pass to catch up, why not give the QB some extra time? But is that Rowen or Green? Your answer is always green, butt hey hire these OC's and DC's for a reason. To know, execute, and adjust gameplans!

 

[Russ Smith]

BTW, that missed FG turned out to be huge, because if Rackers has time to set up properly and he makes it...(A) the Cards have a least some momentum going into halftime...and (B) the Cards would have been within one TD and a 2 point conversion to tie the game later on.

While I agree we should have spiked it, we can't just assume Rackers would have made it had we done so. From the presser Green made it sound like too much confusion, I'm wondering if maybe Kurt was a bit woozy or something because he clearly seemed to be saying it was easier to have the offense run off and the FG unit run on than to just have the offense line up and spike it?

They also said several times on radio that wind was a factor and 54 yards and wind is not a good combo. Do I wish we'd spiked it, of course, but would have have let him make it, not necessarily.

I'm as big a Green skeptic as they're is but you just can't fire a guy after 2 games when you're 1-1(not that you said to do that right now Walt).

I guess the biggest issue I have right now with Green is as others have said we don't play like we're well prepared. We get worked right out of the gate every game until we settle down, we don't handle 2 minute drills well. During the game yesterday Wolfley was ripping Rolle for lining up incorrectly in the cover 4 he kept saying Rolle was giving way too much cushion and he knew that's not where he was supposed to line up. One of those would have cost us a first down if Burleson doesn't drop the ball. These are all signs of a team that's not well coached.


I guess in short, I expected to lose yesterday, just not that way.

 

[Russ Smith]

I also thought the decison to not go strickly shotgun once the game got out of hand was a peculiar one. If you are under center and getting killed, and you have to pass to catch up, why not give the QB some extra time? But is that Rowen or Green? Your answer is always green, butt hey hire these OC's and DC's for a reason. To know, execute, and adjust gameplans!

FWIW I forget if it was Wolfley or pasch but one of them suggested the problems with the bad snaps/dropped snaps were the reason we weren't in shotgun every down there.

Green at the presser said Kurt just dropped some snaps, maybe he felt Kurt was a bit wobbly or maybe the wind I don't know but I get the impression we're still not all that confident in the shotgun.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

During the game yesterday Wolfley was ripping Rolle for lining up incorrectly in the cover 4 he kept saying Rolle was giving way too much cushion and he knew that's not where he was supposed to line up. One of those would have cost us a first down if Burleson doesn't drop the ball. These are all signs of a team that's not well coached.


I guess in short, I expected to lose yesterday, just not that way.

Not sure it matters, but Mac once was aksed about the cushion his CB's give to receivers and he said, in a nutshell, that it was dependent on the cb. He essentially said the player makes the call. Dont knowif it is true in Pendy's defense or not, or if that was just Mac, well, being Mac.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I get the impression we're still not all that confident in the shotgun.

You mean we dont have a center who can snap the shotgun? Those pics Step have of Green MUST be embarressing!

 

[Derm]

idiotic thread

 

[Ryanwb]

Would it be a pipe dream to throw like 7 million / year at Bill Cower to take over this train wreck next year?

 

[MadCardDisease]

idiotic thread

couldn't agree more!

 

[BACH]

While I agree we should have spiked it, we can't just assume Rackers would have made it had we done so. From the presser Green made it sound like too much confusion, I'm wondering if maybe Kurt was a bit woozy or something because he clearly seemed to be saying it was easier to have the offense run off and the FG unit run on than to just have the offense line up and spike it?

They also said several times on radio that wind was a factor and 54 yards and wind is not a good combo. Do I wish we'd spiked it, of course, but would have have let him make it, not necessarily.

I'm as big a Green skeptic as they're is but you just can't fire a guy after 2 games when you're 1-1(not that you said to do that right now Walt).

I guess the biggest issue I have right now with Green is as others have said we don't play like we're well prepared. We get worked right out of the gate every game until we settle down, we don't handle 2 minute drills well. During the game yesterday Wolfley was ripping Rolle for lining up incorrectly in the cover 4 he kept saying Rolle was giving way too much cushion and he knew that's not where he was supposed to line up. One of those would have cost us a first down if Burleson doesn't drop the ball. These are all signs of a team that's not well coached.


I guess in short, I expected to lose yesterday, just not that way.

Good post, Russ.

The way we lost was dissapointing.

But let's not jump the gun here... This is a young average NFL team (7-9 range)that we all hope will develop into a play-off caliber NFL team (11-5 range) during the season. We just lost (on paper) the hardest game of the season and everyone is acting like it's a surprise we're not going 16 - 0.

BTW... Why does everyone love Pendergast for hos creative blitz-scheme, but blame Green for the lack of safety support? Forget the 5 seconds better clock management could have saved! Lack of discipline on D and safety support lost us the game IMHO.

 

[Skkorpion]

Cbus, you speak for me.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Cbus, you speak for me.

Yeah he has made some pretty good posts the last few days. Now if we can just get him over this whole "Ohio State" thing!

 

[conraddobler]

Really this thread should be people who hate Green vent here.

Honestly, I'm aware of the good things he does, we are talented beyond our wildest dreams 3 years ago, he's done that.

No one really thinks the guy should be fired, I don't really even want to fire him this year even if we win 5 games or less.

I think if you give this crew time they'll get it right for the most part, it's my firm belief he's not going to take us anywhere after that that causes the dismay.

I'm greedy, playoffs only to get bounced by being out coached isn't my goal, I want the dude who's got the smarts and the makeup to take it the distance, I don't believe Green is that guy, I've been waiting 33 years to see a good SB run, years are getting more important to me, I don't have forever here.

 

[Rats]

idiotic thread

Amen!!!!......And this is not the only one

 

[jefftheshark]

I've been waiting 33 years to see a good SB run, years are getting more important to me, I don't have forever here.

I wonder if they get Cardinal games in heaven? I'm sure they get them in the other place.

The Shark

 

[conraddobler]

I wonder if they get Cardinal games in heaven? I'm sure they get them in the other place.

The Shark

I'm sure they do, every year it's coach Mac.

 

[Russ Smith]

I'm sure they do, every year it's coach Mac.

They probably have to watch the game against Atlanta from a couple of years ago every Sunday. What was it 9-6 and I think Josh had 15 fumbles.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

They probably have to watch the game against Atlanta from a couple of years ago every Sunday. What was it 9-6 and I think Josh had 15 fumbles.

3 inside the twenty too

 

[Rats]

For all those that want to continue with this repetitive nonsense, something to think about. You call for the coaches head but any gameplan that was scripted was blown up with the first Seattle drive( That the players gave up big plays and stupid penalties on) and the subsequent fumble by JJ on the kickoff after Seattle scored. Then Warner fumbles a bad snap.The Coaches now had to scrap there play calling and try and play catch up which DG alluded to in his press conference is not an easy task to do. The Defense and Special teams put them in an early hole on the road to the defending NFC champs....I think that would have been a tall order to overcome for any coaching staff. The Defense righted itself and the team kept the game reachable. Having not expected a win in Seattle I think there was some things that the team did ok, and there are some things that need to be worked out. I just can't understand the doom and gloom by some that want to continue to bash the Coaches after a game that was out of hand out of the gate and then kept close enough to steal it later. They( the coaches) never got the opportunity to run there game plan because of the hole they were put in from the word go.