Fitzgerald: Matt Leinart = Steve Young

[Shane]

I disagree. I don't think it's a "fact" at all. It's your opinion. I'd argue that he's not playing and warner's new contract is less about Leinart and more about Warner. I don't think you're giving Warner enough credit.

I'd argue that it defintiely is an indictment of where the team feels Leinart is at. You dont sign a 38 year old QB to a two year starting salary contract, when you already have a VERY HIGH PROFILE 4 year veteran sitting on the bench with whom you are completely comfortable with taking the reigns. That would be a gross misuse of salary cap funds to say the least.

 

[Pariah]

What's been lost is that Fitz didn't say what the title of the thread indicates. He was trying to say that not every QB takes the same direct path to greatness. For example, Young was highly touted out of college, struggled a little at first then sat behind a great but when he got his shot he made the most of it.

He's basically telling Leinart, "don't be discouraged, man. You've got a lot of football ahead of you."

 

[Pariah]

That would be a gross misuse of salary cap funds to say the least.

Oh, well, that couldn't be. I mean this is the Cardinals. They've got an awesome track record.

 

[Shane]

What's been lost is that Fitz didn't say what the title of the thread indicates. He was trying to say that not every QB takes the same direct path to greatness. For example, Young was highly touted out of college, struggled a little at first then sat behind a great but when he got his shot he made the most of it.

He's basically telling Leinart, "don't be discouraged, man. You've got a lot of football ahead of you."

True that! Its great of him to IMO. I am hopeful for Matt but not optimistic since it will likely be another two years before we see him in a full time roll. Thats only if he agrees to restructure with us too.

 

[Pariah]

You dont sign a 38 year old QB to a two year starting salary contract,

Even when that QB just took you to within a hair's breadth of the lombardi trophy? I'll give you that teams would need to think twice, but it's not like they just re-signed Steve DeBerg.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Well stated!!! At minimum the Coaching staff would at least demote him to 3rd string QB if they didn't have confidence in him or think he was capable of being the QBOF.
Of course there are some who might say that he has to stay at least 2nd string because of the money he makes. That is horse manure too! Lets see...I believe Edge made a coin or two more that Hightower when he was demoted last year IIRC.

Funny you mention that because accorind to Brian St Pierre, he will have an opportunity to unseed Leinart as the #2 QB this summer.

I dont really think it will happen, but St Pierre stayed in AZ specifically because of that promise.....whats that say?

And seriously, what happens if he does unseat Leinart. What then? wow. Talk about a board eruption..

 

[Shane]

Even when that QB just took you to within a hair's breadth of the lombardi trophy? I'll give you that teams would need to think twice, but it's not like they just re-signed Steve DeBerg.

I see where you are coming from. But Kurt overall isnt known for durability regardless of last season. At some point age is going to catch him and it could likely be this year. I like to use Favre AWESOME season 2 years ago and then last year completely regressed overall.

If you feel Matt is ready then you go with Matt that way you know exactly what you have when you absolutely HAVE to restructure him next year before his escalators kick in.

Change is the one constant in the NFL. The good teams roll with it and survive it.

 

[Pariah]

Funny you mention that because accorind to Brian St Pierre, he will have an opportunity to unseed Leinart as the #2 QB this summer.

I dont really think it will happen, but St Pierre stayed in AZ specifically because of that promise.....whats that say?

Some of the same people on this thread that are saying "what do you expect Fitz to say? This story means nothing." are the same people that want to point to Whiz telling St. Pierre that he'll have a chance to compete for a job. What do you expect him to say?

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

What's been lost is that Fitz didn't say what the title of the thread indicates. He was trying to say that not every QB takes the same direct path to greatness. For example, Young was highly touted out of college, struggled a little at first then sat behind a great but when he got his shot he made the most of it.

He's basically telling Leinart, "don't be discouraged, man. You've got a lot of football ahead of you."

I agree, and like I said, I hope and think (a little bit anyway) that Leinart can be succseful, but my one arguement is he isnt ready yet. Warner had a great year, but you just dont pay a guy that much money if you have your "future" waiitng in the wings.

Will he be ready someday? Maybe. I dunno, no one does. But lets not pretend that the extension given Warner didnt have something to do with Leinarts readiness...

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Some of the same people on this thread that are saying "what do you expect Fitz to say? This story means nothing." are the same people that want to point to Whiz telling St. Pierre that he'll have a chance to compete for a job. What do you expect him to say?

Read what I wrote I dont really think that will happen as in I dont think St Pierre will get that opportunity.

 

[Pariah]

Read what I wrote I dont really think that will happen as in I dont think St Pierre will get that opportunity.

I know, but you asked "what's that say [about leinart's readiness]?" And my response is "nothing." Just like Fitz saying nice things about/to his teammate mean nothing.

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

I know, but you asked "what's that say [about leinart's readiness]?" And my response is "nothing." Just like Fitz saying nice things about/to his teammate mean nothing.

Fair enough. I think we are splitting hairs now.

I am a Cards fan first and foremost so I hope no matter what happens it makes the Cardinals better. Time will tell on Leinart....

 

[Pariah]

Fair enough. I think we are splitting hairs now.

I am a Cards fan first and foremost so I hope no matter what happens it makes the Cardinals better. Time will tell on Leinart....

 

[Linderbee]

Pariah, I think it is quite possible you are the most objective person on this board.

 

[Pariah]

Pariah, I think it is quite possible you are the most objective person on this board.

Thanks!

 

[jefftheshark]

Pariah, I think it is quite possible you are the most objective person on this board.

Oh Linda, to be fair, I think that there are some far more objectionable people on this board than Pariah.




just kidding, P & everyone else for that matter, too!

JTS

 

[Linderbee]

Oh Linda, to be fair, I think that there are some far more objectionable people on this board than Pariah.




just kidding, P & everyone else for that matter, too!

JTS

Yeah, but they're all too sensitive to hear the truth!

 

[Shogun]

I'd argue that it defintiely is an indictment of where the team feels Leinart is at. You dont sign a 38 year old QB to a two year starting salary contract, when you already have a VERY HIGH PROFILE 4 year veteran sitting on the bench with whom you are completely comfortable with taking the reigns. That would be a gross misuse of salary cap funds to say the least.

You do when that 38 year old QB orchestrates a Super Bowl run.

 

[Redheart]

You do when that 38 year old QB orchestrates a Super Bowl run.

Shattered a few records on the way, too...

 

[Duckjake]

Shattered a few records on the way, too...

That makes no difference if you are following the "Steeler method". High priced older veterans are let go no matter how well they played in the past or how much the fans and media like them.

So either the Cards are following that method or they aren't. You can't say we need to let Boldin and/or Dansby go because we need to follow the "Steeler method" and then defend the contract given to Warner when we have a 4 year player at the same position who is $9 million cheaper this year.

Please note that this has nothing to do with Warner's ability only the economic realities of the NFL. I'm sure Tennessee would have loved to have kept Haynesworth. It just didn't make economic sense for them to pay him what the Redskins offered.

 

[Shogun]

That makes no difference if you are following the "Steeler method". High priced older veterans are let go no matter how well they played in the past or how much the fans and media like them.

James Harrison...?

 

[WildBB]

James Harrison...?

Still got a lot left in the tank.

 

[Skkorpion]

It doesn't matter who is throwing...Fitz could make Alex Smith look like a God.

Good one. Wasted though. We are locked into yet another QB argument. Hide the women and children.

 

[Duckjake]

James Harrison...?

That's for the threads where I argue that the "Steeler method" is a myth.

 

[captain pq]

Well let's see; you have a coach who has proven he will play the best player regardless of salary and/or draft rankings. You have a super bowl MVP who has a command of his offense as well as a deft ability to put the ball where it needs to be; and you have a great qb in waiting who will get his chance when the time is right.

And you also have the fact that if the coach didn't pick Warner over Leinhart last year, our city would NEVER have had the fun and excitement that we all experienced last year. Don't you think coach Whiz would like to see if that can happen again this season before promoting our QB of the future? I love Leinhart, but Warner STILL gives us the most promise as our starting QB this year....

TP