Free Agency 2018

[GatorAZ]

To me he's borderline among the players I wouldn't take for free. Yep, he can shoot and he can throw down highlight dunks, but he hurts his team on both ends. On offense because he can't create for
anyone else... and also doesn't play off the ball and on D he may as well not exist.

It's really hard to win with one of those guys.

It’s hard to judge young guards for their defense when they play on bad defensive teams. Booker is a worse defender than Lavine according to every defensive metric but It shouldn’t be viewed as a problem until they’re single-handedly killing their team.

Idk why Lavine doesn’t play off the ball more because he shoots 43% from on catch & shoot situations which is very good. All in all the Bulls matched because he’s athletic and has 25ppg potential with good efficiency. Also he was in the Butler trade and they probably feel some pressure from that.

 

[Hoop Head]

Isn't there some rule about matched free agent contracts where now the kings can't get him while he's on that deal? I might be totally wrong but I thought it came but back in the Eric Gordon offer.

The Kings can trade for him for after the first year is up. Any other team could make a trade for him in that first year though. The player has the right to refuse to go to a certain team in that first season though. They basically have a no-trade clause for that first season because they have to approve the destination in that initial year. Afterwards they're free to go anywhere in a trade. This actually happened recently. The Nets signed Allan Crabbe to an offer sheet that the Blazers matched. He played 1 year for the Blazers and then they traded him to Brooklyn the next offseason in a salary dump. Info on it is in the CBA FAQ at #42.

Here's the exact quote

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 92). A restricted free agent's resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player's prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

I doubt Chicago will find many takers for him though once they're locked in to paying him $20 million a year. That's a serious overpay. He doesn't even fit in Sacramento's team, they have Fox, Hield, and Bogdan already as their guards. Seems like they just wanted to make sure everyone remembered they're still around and they're still the same Kings they've been the last few years, willing to make stupid moves.

 

[Ronin]

Report: Jusuf Nurkic, Trail Blazers Agree to 4-Year, $48 Million Contract
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-blazers-agree-to-4-year-48-million-contract

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Report: Jusuf Nurkic, Trail Blazers Agree to 4-Year, $48 Million Contract
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-blazers-agree-to-4-year-48-million-contract

Looks like a bargain

 

[JCSunsfan]

Report: Jusuf Nurkic, Trail Blazers Agree to 4-Year, $48 Million Contract
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-blazers-agree-to-4-year-48-million-contract

That is a reasonable deal.

 

[Mainstreet]

I agree with other posters, signing Nurkic for 4 years at $48 million is a real good deal.

Some players are getting overpaid and some are getting underpaid. IMO, Nurkic falls into the latter category.

 

[Phrazbit]

Report: Jusuf Nurkic, Trail Blazers Agree to 4-Year, $48 Million Contract
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...l-blazers-agree-to-4-year-48-million-contract

What the what? How does he get that little and Lavine, who murders his own team on both ends, gets 30 mil more?

 

[Phrazbit]

As much as I rag on Len, if he ends up on a near minimum deal, that's a steal.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I agree with other posters, signing Nurkic for 4 years at $48 million is a real good deal.

Some players are getting overpaid and some are getting underpaid. IMO, Nurkic falls into the latter category.

So are the Blazers “misers?” That seems to be the consensus if a player receives a dollar less than his perceived public value on this board.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

What the what? How does he get that little and Lavine, who murders his own team on both ends, gets 30 mil more?

The blazers must be cheap misers demanding he take so little!

 

[Mainstreet]

So are the Blazers “misers?” That seems to be the consensus if a player receives a dollar less than his perceived public value on this board.

The Blazers got a smoking deal on Nurkic. They didn't have much money to spend and another team could have easily made it tough for them to match.

If the Suns had not drafted a center, I would have supported them throwing significantly more money at him making it tough for Portland to match.

I'm not sure about this "misers" stuff as I never got deep into the Booker discussion. Pay Booker what he wants because it is not worth saving a couple of million to make the Suns top player unhappy.

 

[Mainstreet]

Jonas Jerebko is waived by Jazz.

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[AzStevenCal]

What the what? How does he get that little and Lavine, who murders his own team on both ends, gets 30 mil more?

It's the same thing that buried Len, the money and the market for traditionally sized bigs have almost disappeared. Len turned down whatever we offered him prior to the season and Nurkic turned down a better offer from Portland too. A lot of the agents that didn't see this dropoff are likely to be fired over the next few months.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

The Blazers got a smoking deal on Nurkic. They didn't have much money to spend and another team could have easily made it tough for them to match.

If the Suns had not drafted a center, I would have supported them throwing significantly more money at him making it tough for Portland to match.

I'm not sure about this "misers" stuff as I never got deep into the Booker discussion. Pay Booker what he wants because it is not worth saving a couple of million to make the Suns top player unhappy.

My point in all that is (a) Portland was limited by other contracts so they had to negotiate a deal that worked for them; and (b) just because a player gets less than the public perception of what he’s worth doesn’t always equate to him being mad. Does anyone think Nurkic is mad today? Are other players likely saying “I’m not going to the blazers because they’re misers, they didn’t pay nurkic what the public thought his value was!” - ???

What I’m really saying is, we lay people and the press only have our opinions but no real experience or insight into nba valuations, contracts, or negotiations. So for anyone to assume they know the “right” deal for any player is ludicrous. Maybe the only “right” deals are max contracts for lebron, Durant, Giannis, and brow.

 

[Mainstreet]

My point in all that is (a) Portland was limited by other contracts so they had to negotiate a deal that worked for them; and (b) just because a player gets less than the public perception of what he’s worth doesn’t always equate to him being mad. Does anyone think Nurkic is mad today? Are other players likely saying “I’m not going to the blazers because they’re misers, they didn’t pay nurkic what the public thought his value was!” - ???

What I’m really saying is, we lay people and the press only have our opinions but no real experience or insight into nba valuations, contracts, or negotiations. So for anyone to assume they know the “right” deal for any player is ludicrous. Maybe the only “right” deals are max contracts for lebron, Durant, Giannis, and brow.

I think Nurkic and agent knew what the Trail Blazers had to pay and accepted it. This was not a low ball offer from a team that had the money to spend. Also Nurkic is not their franchise player at this point. The market determines value so apparently Nukic felt this was a reasonable offer. Apparently he did not receive another offer which is surprising to me.

If Booker was a RFA, I bet teams would be knocking down the door to give him the maximum amount. Just look at Lavine.

 

[JCSunsfan]

My point in all that is (a) Portland was limited by other contracts so they had to negotiate a deal that worked for them; and (b) just because a player gets less than the public perception of what he’s worth doesn’t always equate to him being mad. Does anyone think Nurkic is mad today? Are other players likely saying “I’m not going to the blazers because they’re misers, they didn’t pay nurkic what the public thought his value was!” - ???

What I’m really saying is, we lay people and the press only have our opinions but no real experience or insight into nba valuations, contracts, or negotiations. So for anyone to assume they know the “right” deal for any player is ludicrous. Maybe the only “right” deals are max contracts for lebron, Durant, Giannis, and brow.

The Blazers have typically overpaid, but at this point in free agency, players have to take what they can get.

 

[Phrazbit]

So are the Blazers “misers?” That seems to be the consensus if a player receives a dollar less than his perceived public value on this board.

They've also been having to dump players and picks because they were waaaaay over the luxury tax because of giving out a ton of insane contracts (having one of the richest men in the world own your team seems to be a blessing and a curse).

They actually GOT Nurkic in a salary dump trade at a time when his value was apparently almost nil. I thought he'd have a bigger market.

But if you really want to argue his situation and Bookers are parallels then I'll assume you're arguing for the sake of it or the cheese has slid off your cracker.

Damn... should have saved that line for your brother...

 

[Cheesebeef]

They've also been having to dump players and picks because they were waaaaay over the luxury tax because of giving out a ton of insane contracts (having one of the richest men in the world own your team seems to be a blessing and a curse).

They actually GOT Nurkic in a salary dump trade at a time when his value was apparently almost nil. I thought he'd have a bigger market.

But if you really want to argue his situation and Bookers are parallels then I'll assume you're arguing for the sake of it or the cheese has slid off your cracker.

Damn... should have saved that line for your brother...

too late now!

 

[Hoop Head]

I like that deal for Portland with Nurkic. They needed to retain Nurkic if they hoped to avoid blowing things up. His acquisition is what helped spark their run a couple years ago to get them back into the playoffs after they lost Aldridge. I thought he'd get a lot more in FA but I guess bigs don't have the same market they did in the past, even when they are productive. I guess teams worry about the deal backfiring on them like other big man deals have recently like Biyambo, Noah, Mozgov, etc.

Anything on Capella signing anywhere?

 

[Phrazbit]

I like that deal for Portland with Nurkic. They needed to retain Nurkic if they hoped to avoid blowing things up. His acquisition is what helped spark their run a couple years ago to get them back into the playoffs after they lost Aldridge. I thought he'd get a lot more in FA but I guess bigs don't have the same market they did in the past, even when they are productive. I guess teams worry about the deal backfiring on them like other big man deals have recently like Biyambo, Noah, Mozgov, etc.

Anything on Capella signing anywhere?

Who has money left? Kings, Sixers... Lakers if they do some squeezing? Kings and Sixers likely view him as redundant, Lakers won't want to lock up that much cap.

Rockets may have wisely waited out the market.

 

[Hoop Head]

Who has money left? Kings, Sixers... Lakers if they do some squeezing? Kings and Sixers likely view him as redundant, Lakers won't want to lock up that much cap.

Rockets may have wisely waited out the market.

Not sure who has money left. There might have just been some money freed up though in a 3 team trade involving the Magic, Bulls, and Hornets. There aren't good players involved but Biyombo and Mozgov have large cap numbers so moving them might create room for a team.

"Charlotte, Chicago and Orlando finalizing trade that includes Mozgov to Magic, Biyombo to Charlotte and Julyan Stone to Bulls."

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[GatorAZ]

Mitch Kupcheck makes more WTF random deals than anyone I can remember.

 

[Hoop Head]

We might have our MLE left to sign someone, I'm not entirely sure how that works. I believe Bordow said we had about $2 million left in cap space though.

FWIW apparently IT has followed the Suns on Twitter. Who knows if it means anything.

 

[Chaplin]

We might have our MLE left to sign someone, I'm not entirely sure how that works. I believe Bordow said we had about $2 million left in cap space though.

FWIW apparently IT has followed the Suns on Twitter. Who knows if it means anything.

I think the MLE is available only to teams above the cap. So we don’t have it available.

 

[SirStefan32]

I think the MLE is available only to teams above the cap. So we don’t have it available.

That used to be the case, but it is not anymore. The amount is different depending on the cap space, but it is available.


This explains it a bit:
https://hoopshype.com/2016/11/04/hoopshype-explains-what-is-the-nba-mid-level-exception/