Free agency thread 2022

[BritCard]

Good! But come up with your slternatives.
Pay Kirk 15m?
Re-sign a pedestrian bored Green?
Promote Wesley to #2?
Assume Moore is now the man in the slot.
I like rebuttals. But rebuttals without a solution?
Or maybe we can find another 30+ Wr coming of injury and two steps slower than he was in his prime?
Just keep in mind the cap space too.
Come on Brit. Bring it.

You already have my solution seeing as your original reply was in response to me saying we should resign Green. I keep seeing "Green is slower" yet he had nearly 16 yards per reception and a 12.2 aDot. There were only 6 guys with more yards than Green with a greater aDot. Lockett, Devonta Smith, McLaurin, Evans, Chase and Jefferson. So he can't be that slow in that company.

But if the other options are Chark for $12-14m I'm resigning Kirk.

If it's Wilson vs Green I'm signing Green. Wilson hasn't done anything and hasn't proven he can be a starting WR2.

If you want to put trades on the table then a 2nd for someone like Marquise Brown would be smart. Still a year on his rookie deal and the obvious Kyler connection.

 

[juza76]

If it's Wilson vs Green I'm signing Green. Wilson hasn't done anything and hasn't proven he can be a starting WR2.

Green plays are in decline and showed inconsistency in clutch moments, something to think about in a 34 years old player

 

[Ronin]

Taylor Stallworth is set to become a UFA. He is an IDL who had 16 tackles and 3 sacks.

 

[DaHilg]

You already have my solution seeing as your original reply was in response to me saying we should resign Green. I keep seeing "Green is slower" yet he had nearly 16 yards per reception and a 12.2 aDot. There were only 6 guys with more yards than Green with a greater aDot. Lockett, Devonta Smith, McLaurin, Evans, Chase and Jefferson. So he can't be that slow in that company.

But if the other options are Chark for $12-14m I'm resigning Kirk.

If it's Wilson vs Green I'm signing Green. Wilson hasn't done anything and hasn't proven he can be a starting WR2.

If you want to put trades on the table then a 2nd for someone like Marquise Brown would be smart. Still a year on his rookie deal and the obvious Kyler connection.

Actually like the thought of Hollywood Brown

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I'm lost. I'm in a thread with people arguing why they prefer youth despite production where I argue the older vet offers better value and having a parallel conversation where people argue that letting the 25 year old ascending WR leave and signing a 29 year old declining player for slightly less money is smart.

I guess the argument would be: Do you think we've seen what Kirk is and always will be? If so, go with the cheaper alternative. If not, pony up the bucks for Kirk.

 

[DaHilg]

I guess the argument would be: Do you think we've seen what Kirk is and always will be? If so, go with the cheaper alternative. If not, pony up the bucks for Kirk.

I think we have - I mean what is he great at? Certainly not electric. Can’t break tackles. I wouldn’t even call his open field running even average. Definitely not clutch. Sure handed? Nope. Pretty mediocre across the board.

 

[TheCardFan]

Congrats to Kirk though - he is going from making 5m in the last 4 years (total) to maybe 15m/year for the next 4 (60m).

 

[GoldGloveschmidt]

A 7-time PRO BOWL 'Bum" to be precise.

And how exactly do you know that he's uninterested, have you tracked all his route running?

Don't really care about his past. At this moment in time he sucks. I'd rather not continue to watch him catch the ball and cower to the ground with no defender nearby.

Along with many, many other things, the Cardinals really need to find a punt returner and kick off returner. I have read many times how great the Special Teams Coach is but, especially on kick off returns, the Cardinals return men really stink. In almost every game thread last season I or someone else asked "Don't they know they get it on the 25 if they down it in the end zone?". Instead, the Cards start inside the 20 regularly (or so it seems). I think they averaged about 8 yards a punt return last year.

Just another area that need addressing in my opinion.

Marcus Jones, CB, Houston, round 3

 

[BritCard]

I'm surprised we haven't extended more of our own FAs.

Letting all these players including both RBs hit the market seems sub optimal.

 

[GatorAZ]

Hawt take: Kirk doesn’t get $15m and returns to AZ.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[slanidrac16]

You already have my solution seeing as your original reply was in response to me saying we should resign Green. I keep seeing "Green is slower" yet he had nearly 16 yards per reception and a 12.2 aDot. There were only 6 guys with more yards than Green with a greater aDot. Lockett, Devonta Smith, McLaurin, Evans, Chase and Jefferson. So he can't be that slow in that company.

But if the other options are Chark for $12-14m I'm resigning Kirk.

If it's Wilson vs Green I'm signing Green. Wilson hasn't done anything and hasn't proven he can be a starting WR2.

If you want to put trades on the table then a 2nd for someone like Marquise Brown would be smart. Still a year on his rookie deal and the obvious Kyler connection.

I could live with a Brown trade. In fact I would be very happy. I’m tired of the “ potential” of squeezing one more year from an older player especially one that seemed disengage at times.
I’d rather go with potential in a younger player.
My whole take on this is trying to find a guy(s) who may be affordable. Chark for 12m? No way. He’s a guy I could live on a 1 year prove it deal. He’s coming off a couple of down years and injury. But two years ago he was a beast.
Speed Brit. We need to be faster on offense.
Bottom line I guess you like Green , I don’t.

 

[Stout]

You think going into the season with Golden, Kennard, Dimukeje is wise? If we had Jermaine Johnson in there too it would be ok but thats weak. And the vet market sucks for guys that can play OLB.

We were 6th vs DVOA on defense last year. 9th the year before.

I don't think it's wise or optimal but, as you have pointed out previously, Keim has left us in shambolic cap shape. Tough decisions have to be made, and they have to be made in favor of the offense, IMO.

 

[Stout]

Along with many, many other things, the Cardinals really need to find a punt returner and kick off returner. I have read many times how great the Special Teams Coach is but, especially on kick off returns, the Cardinals return men really stink. In almost every game thread last season I or someone else asked "Don't they know they get it on the 25 if they down it in the end zone?". Instead, the Cards start inside the 20 regularly (or so it seems). I think they averaged about 8 yards a punt return last year.

Just another area that need addressing in my opinion.

Another reason the smh about Rondale Moore. We're getting so little from him.

 

[BritCard]

I could live with a Brown trade. In fact I would be very happy. I’m tired of the “ potential” of squeezing one more year from an older player especially one that seemed disengage at times.
I’d rather go with potential in a younger player.
My whole take on this is trying to find a guy(s) who may be affordable. Chark for 12m? No way. He’s a guy I could live on a 1 year prove it deal. He’s coming off a couple of down years and injury. But two years ago he was a beast.
Speed Brit. We need to be faster on offense.
Bottom line I guess you like Green , I don’t.

I don't like or not like Green.

Its simply a fact that he's good value if we can sign him for similar money. As I pointed out before, the 3rd best value of any WR last year.

If you're looking for affordable it doesn't get much better.

There are people here who would sign Cedric Wilson for $6 mil and when he gets 700 yards would argue "But we got younger". Like younger on its own means anything.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm lost. I'm in a thread with people arguing why they prefer youth despite production where I argue the older vet offers better value and having a parallel conversation where people argue that letting the 25 year old ascending WR leave and signing a 29 year old declining player for slightly less money is smart.

I had noted your hypocrisy

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I'm surprised we haven't extended more of our own FAs.

Letting all these players including both RBs hit the market seems sub optimal.

Agreed. That said, we have no idea what negotiations have been happening.

 

[SoonerLou]

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[slanidrac16]

I don't like or not like Green.

Its simply a fact that he's good value if we can sign him for similar money. As I pointed out before, the 3rd best value of any WR last year.

If you're looking for affordable it doesn't get much better.

There are people here who would sign Cedric Wilson for $6 mil and when he gets 700 yards would argue "But we got younger". Like younger on its own means anything.

Younger , faster and a guy that probably would be on the tesm for 3 or 4 years. You choose to go with older and hope he produces one more year. I choose to go with younger, faster potential. Wilson got 600 yards on 45 receptions and 6 tds. Add 25 receptions as a second receiver and you’re looking at almost 900 yards and 9td’s.
Assuming we lose Kirk it would be insane to have Green as our #2 Wr.
The sad part is we are debating how to deal with the total failure of Keim at this position.

 

[DaHilg]

Younger , faster and a guy that probably would be on the tesm for 3 or 4 years. You choose to go with older and hope he produces one more year. I choose to go with younger, faster potential. Wilson got 600 yards on 45 receptions and 6 tds. Add 25 receptions as a second receiver and you’re looking at almost 900 yards and 9td’s.
Assuming we lose Kirk it would be insane to have Green as our #2 Wr.
The sad part is we are debating how to deal with the total failure of Keim at this position.

I don’t think we are “losing” Kirk. Addition by subtraction. Even Wilson would be an upgrade.

 

[slanidrac16]

I don’t think we are “losing” Kirk. Addition by subtraction. Even Wilson would be an upgrade.

I agree. Some others don’t.

 

[reebokalone2001]

I don't think it's wise or optimal but, as you have pointed out previously, Keim has left us in shambolic cap shape. Tough decisions have to be made, and they have to be made in favor of the offense, IMO.

Stout, I totally agree with your VJ posting that giving VJ young defense pieces has not worked out in our favor. I do hesitate in stacking up the offense side. Kyler Murray only performs when he feels no pressure. He folds if put in the place either you score in every drive or lose the game, and a weak defense will do exactly that - put pressure of winning all on his shoulder - which I don't think is going to work. All being said, I don't really have a perfect solution to our situation, just have big concerns about emphasizing giving offensive pieces to KM.

 

[BritCard]

Stout, I totally agree with your VJ posting that giving VJ young defense pieces has not worked out in our favor. I do hesitate in stacking up the offense side. Kyler Murray only performs when he feels no pressure. He folds if put in the place either you score in every drive or lose the game, and a weak defense will do exactly that - put pressure of winning all on his shoulder - which I don't think is going to work. All being said, I don't really have a perfect solution to our situation, just have big concerns about emphasizing giving offensive pieces to KM.

Exactly my thoughts.

Two things are clear. Give him a very good O line like OU and he's lethal. Don't and he's prone to injury and sulking.

Give him a defence he feels he can rely on and take the pressure off and he thrives.

Do that and whoever he has at receiver (within reason) will be fine.

 

[SoonerLou]

Stout, I totally agree with your VJ posting that giving VJ young defense pieces has not worked out in our favor. I do hesitate in stacking up the offense side. Kyler Murray only performs when he feels no pressure. He folds if put in the place either you score in every drive or lose the game, and a weak defense will do exactly that - put pressure of winning all on his shoulder - which I don't think is going to work. All being said, I don't really have a perfect solution to our situation, just have big concerns about emphasizing giving offensive pieces to KM.

Exactly my thoughts.

Two things are clear. Give him a very good O line like OU and he's lethal. Don't and he's prone to injury and sulking.

Give him a defence he feels he can rely on and take the pressure off and he thrives.

Do that and whoever he has at receiver (within reason) will be fine.

I think you guys are off on that.

You load up offensively and he'll be at his best.

Even the 2nd Rams games where he threw picks was one of the better games against that defense down the stretch. Vikings game he seemed ready to role as well.

I think pressure comes when he knows they arent an explosive team and he has to methodically march down the field consistently.

Bengals turned it on when they just let Burrow go with his high flying weapons.

Its like asking Steph Curry to be a pure pg in the half court instead of firing up 3's in a fast break offense. Cuffing him wont get the best of him.

 

[BritCard]

I think you guys are off on that.

You load up offensively and he'll be at his best.

Even the 2nd Rams games where he threw picks was one of the better games against that defense down the stretch. Vikings game he seemed ready to role as well.

I think pressure comes when he knows they arent an explosive team and he has to methodically march down the field consistently.

Bengals turned it on when they just let Burrow go with his high flying weapons.

Its like asking Steph Curry to be a pure pg in the half court instead of firing up 3's in a fast break offense. Cuffing him wont get the best of him.

Yes, load up offensively on the O line. WR is secondary. Can't hit a WR when your on your ass or running around 20 yards behind the LOS.