Free agency thread 2022

[BritCard]

Yeah I would love to have Chark, hes a really good boundary receiver and he put up those numbers playing with JAX.

They were 6-10 the year he just about got 1000 yards. Not like they were 1-15.

Spotrac says Chark market value is $12m per year. For a guy that played 4 games last year, missed 4 the year before and had 1 good year in 4.

Yet the same people balk at paying Kirk the same money when he just had 26 yards less on 15 less targets than Charks best year and has far better career stats.

I don't get fans sometimes. I know the "Grass is greener" rule is amplified in sports but man.

 

[BritCard]

That was from a 33 year-old, not a 34-year old. Let's not pretend age doesn't matter at some point. History tells us that will be much sooner than later at his advanced age. Add in that he'd now be our #2, attracting more coverage, and add in how oddly poor he was at times, and the idea is worse.

I mean, are we really, really pinning hopes of getting better or at least treading water on a 34-year old AJ Green? Is that you, Steve Keim?

I'm being realistic.

We don't have a high draft pick rookie waiting in the wings and we don't have the cap space for the Amari Coopers or Allen Robinsons. So we can deal with reality or we can live in fantasy land.

The argument isn't Green vs Cooper. The argument is Green vs Cedric Wilson. A guy with a best of 600 yards in a season.

Or Green vs Chark, a guy that missed 13 games last year and 4 the year before with one good season.

There are no good options, so I'll stick with the 7x Pro Bowler who got 850 yards for us last year over rolling the dice on a couple of long shots.

 

[Stout]

I'm being realistic.

We don't have a high draft pick rookie waiting in the wings and we don't have the cap space for the Amari Coopers or Allen Robinsons. So we can deal with reality or we can live in fantasy land.

The argument isn't Green vs Cooper. The argument is Green vs Cedric Wilson. A guy with a best of 600 yards in a season.

Or Green vs Chark, a guy that missed 13 games last year and 4 the year before with one good season.

There are no good options, so I'll stick with the 7x Pro Bowler who got 850 yards for us last year over rolling the dice on a couple of long shots.

This definitely reads like the Steve Keim approach. We can afford the cap space for an Allen Robinson; we just have to get creative. As we know, Keim won't, which puts us in an awful position. I'd still rather roll the dice with a younger player that we can develop. Were Green a couple years younger...well, we'd still have to deal with his head-scratching blunders that certainly look like disinterest, which we cannot have with a QB who has his own personality problems out there.

 

[BritCard]

Just ask yourself if all things were equal would you rather have a 850 yard 34 year old or an 850 yard 28 year old? I know my answer

Sure, but that wasn't my question. My question was is there a difference between what happens on the field.

And things are not equal, because a 28 year old that will get you 850 yards will cost you $10m+ whereas Green would cost about $7m.

I hate to break this to people but it's extremely unlikely Keim is signing a great WR2 vet to a multi year deal. The likelihood is we get a guy on a 1 year deal and draft a rookie to come through.

In which case, may as well stick with the cheaper Green.

 

[BritCard]

This definitely reads like the Steve Keim approach. We can afford the cap space for an Allen Robinson; we just have to get creative. As we know, Keim won't, which puts us in an awful position. I'd still rather roll the dice with a younger player that we can develop. Were Green a couple years younger...well, we'd still have to deal with his head-scratching blunders that certainly look like disinterest, which we cannot have with a QB who has his own personality problems out there.

Yeah we could, at the expense of another position. You can play with the cap, but only so far. We could sign Robinson, but probably lose Ertz, or Conner, or some other player we need more than an upgrade over Green.

The receiving group wasn't the problem last year had Nuk stayed healthy. Nuk, Ertz, Green, Moore + rookie is a good group. More important that we spend what money we can squeeze out of the cap to improve the O line, D line and pass rush.

 

[Stout]

Yeah we could, at the expense of another position. You can play with the cap, but only so far. We could sign Robinson, but probably lose Ertz, or Conner, or some other player we need more than an upgrade over Green.

The receiving group wasn't the problem last year had Nuk stayed healthy. Nuk, Ertz, Green, Moore + rookie is a good group. More important that we spend what money we can squeeze out of the cap to improve the O line, D line and pass rush.

They're saying Ertz will get at least 10 million a year for a 32-year old. Nuk is getting long in the tooth and you can't ignore the injury, but you also have to ride with him, at least. As for the rest? You do not get better by throwing money at aging players. You have this idea of trying to keep the gang together and that's going to be good enough. That is a really bad approach.

 

[BritCard]

They're saying Ertz will get at least 10 million a year for a 32-year old. Nuk is getting long in the tooth and you can't ignore the injury, but you also have to ride with him, at least. As for the rest? You do not get better by throwing money at aging players. You have this idea of trying to keep the gang together and that's going to be good enough. That is a really bad approach.

No. My idea is we have limited cap space and we have to use it wisely.

Fixing the pass rush. Improving the run D. Our iOL and even CB's are in a worse state than we are if we have Nuk, Green and Moore at WR. I'd rather have Maxx at $5m than Ertz at $10m.

The options are thus

Chark at around $12-$14m per year. No thanks.
Cedric Wilson at probably around $6-7m per year. I could live with it, but you have to realise you are gambling on a WR4 to become a WR2.

Or we stick with what we know in Green at $6-7m. Who's a known commodity, players seem to like and should get better in year 2.

With those options I'd choose Green and draft a rookie in rounds 2 or 3.

 

[Stout]

No. My idea is we have limited cap space and we have to use it wisely.

Fixing the pass rush. Improving the run D. Our iOL and even CB's are in a worse state than we are if we have Nuk, Green and Moore at WR. I'd rather have Maxx at $5m than Ertz at $10m.

The options are thus

Chark at around $12-$14m per year. No thanks.
Cedric Wilson at probably around $6-7m per year. I could live with it, but you have to realise you are gambling on a WR4 to become a WR2.

Or we stick with what we know in Green at $6-7m. Who's a known commodity, players seem to like and should get better in year 2.

With those options I'd choose Green and draft a rookie in rounds 2 or 3.

I would not. I'm not prioritizing defensive weapons for two reasons: We need to prioritize the offense and VJ can't be trusted with talent that isn't already proven pro-bowler talent. Draft late run D support along the line, draft late edge, or go for cheaper options in FA, thus limiting the damage against the cap and the damage VJ can do. We're not going to get significantly better on that side of the ball with VJ anyway, and we need to stack the deck for KM. Getting older at the position isn't going to do that.

 

[imaCafan]

How about trading AI for Landry (Browns). Was hurt most of last season, soooooo Keim written all over him...

 

[Dynomite]

Trade murray to J-Ville for Lawrence and a 1st, 3rd.

Then sign Allen Robinson

Sign Conner.
done

Hope that /sarcasm.

 

[DaHilg]

They're saying Ertz will get at least 10 million a year for a 32-year old. Nuk is getting long in the tooth and you can't ignore the injury, but you also have to ride with him, at least. As for the rest? You do not get better by throwing money at aging players. You have this idea of trying to keep the gang together and that's going to be good enough. That is a really bad approach.

This !!!

 

[az jam]

Don't want AJ Green. Good wrs in the draft, go after them. Key signing for me is to get TE Ertz back.

 

[DVontel]

I really don’t want AJ nor Ertz back.


Ugh.

 

[SoonerLou]

I really don’t want AJ nor Ertz back.


Ugh.

I accepted it was happening once Keim got his extension.

They really believe they were a healthy Hopkins (and maybe Watt) from making a run. It is what it is. We'll see if someone outbids us.

 

[RON_IN_OC]

I accepted it was happening once Keim got his extension.

They really believe they were a healthy Hopkins (and maybe Watt) from making a run. It is what it is. We'll see if someone outbids us.

Don't they believe it because the numbers kind of back it up?

 

[BritCard]

I would not. I'm not prioritizing defensive weapons for two reasons: We need to prioritize the offense and VJ can't be trusted with talent that isn't already proven pro-bowler talent. Draft late run D support along the line, draft late edge, or go for cheaper options in FA, thus limiting the damage against the cap and the damage VJ can do. We're not going to get significantly better on that side of the ball with VJ anyway, and we need to stack the deck for KM. Getting older at the position isn't going to do that.

You think going into the season with Golden, Kennard, Dimukeje is wise? If we had Jermaine Johnson in there too it would be ok but thats weak. And the vet market sucks for guys that can play OLB.

We were 6th vs DVOA on defense last year. 9th the year before.

 

[BritCard]

How about trading AI for Landry (Browns). Was hurt most of last season, soooooo Keim written all over him...

Why would we let Kirk walk and sign older more injured Kirk for the same money?

 

[RON_IN_OC]

Why would we let Kirk walk and sign older more injured Kirk for the same money?

Well number one any acquisition of or signing of a Landry would not be at his current 15 million for one year.. it would be a renegotiated contract over two or three years that a much more reasonable rate commencement of his age in production. Secondly, even though they are the same size, Landry plays a lot tougher and bigger than he is.

 

[slanidrac16]

Cedric Wilson commands double coverage

Neither would DJ Chark. If Nuk is on the field he's the only one getting doubled.

Good! But come up with your slternatives.
Pay Kirk 15m?
Re-sign a pedestrian bored Green?
Promote Wesley to #2?
Assume Moore is now the man in the slot.
I like rebuttals. But rebuttals without a solution?
Or maybe we can find another 30+ Wr coming of injury and two steps slower than he was in his prime?
Just keep in mind the cap space too.
Come on Brit. Bring it.

 

[slanidrac16]

Why would a WR3 that never had more than 600 yards command a double team?

Chark has had one 1000 yard year, just. He played 4 games last year and had 154 yards.

I like Chark as an upside signing. He's talented. But age aside the difference between him and Green are none existent. He missed 4 games the year before too.

And I'd rather have Green at $6, than Chark at $12-$14m. I'd rather Green for one year than punt on Chark staying healthy on a multi year deal.

I don’t think Chark is going to command 12m. If I’m wrong then I’m out on him too.
Wilson has gotten better every year. He’s tall, fast , and young. Yes, he had 600 yards ( 6 td’s ) last year as a 3rd Wr behind Cooper and Lamb. I also don’t think he will break the bank. He and Chark would blow by most #2 Cb’s.

 

[slanidrac16]

No. My idea is we have limited cap space and we have to use it wisely.

Fixing the pass rush. Improving the run D. Our iOL and even CB's are in a worse state than we are if we have Nuk, Green and Moore at WR. I'd rather have Maxx at $5m than Ertz at $10m.

The options are thus

Chark at around $12-$14m per year. No thanks.
Cedric Wilson at probably around $6-7m per year. I could live with it, but you have to realise you are gambling on a WR4 to become a WR2.

Or we stick with what we know in Green at $6-7m. Who's a known commodity, players seem to like and should get better in year 2.

With those options I'd choose Green and draft a rookie in rounds 2 or 3.

Yuk.

 

[GatorAZ]

I really don’t want AJ nor Ertz back.


Ugh.

Wouldn’t lose sleep over Ertz getting overpaid by Washington. Sucks that Maxx obliterated every ligament in his knee cause he was balling.

 

[TRW]

Along with many, many other things, the Cardinals really need to find a punt returner and kick off returner. I have read many times how great the Special Teams Coach is but, especially on kick off returns, the Cardinals return men really stink. In almost every game thread last season I or someone else asked "Don't they know they get it on the 25 if they down it in the end zone?". Instead, the Cards start inside the 20 regularly (or so it seems). I think they averaged about 8 yards a punt return last year.

Just another area that need addressing in my opinion.

 

[BritCard]

Well number one any acquisition of or signing of a Landry would not be at his current 15 million for one year.. it would be a renegotiated contract over two or three years that a much more reasonable rate commencement of his age in production. Secondly, even though they are the same size, Landry plays a lot tougher and bigger than he is.

I'm lost. I'm in a thread with people arguing why they prefer youth despite production where I argue the older vet offers better value and having a parallel conversation where people argue that letting the 25 year old ascending WR leave and signing a 29 year old declining player for slightly less money is smart.

 

[Ronin]

Johnny V. says the Chicago Bears are interested in Christian Kirk.