free agent options

[Mainstreet]

How good will it be if the Suns signed both Len and Williams in the 40 + million dollar range total.

 

[Chaplin]

The thought occurred to me the Suns have not signed their own free agents as yet (Williams and Len) because they are prepared to bring in player(s) under the cap from other teams. I'm not saying they are going to this but they are prepared for this option. The Suns can exceed the cap to sign their own free agents.

Anyway a morning thought before coffee.

They've already offered Williams a contract--the Suns would have signed him already if he accepted it. So them not signing them isn't a strategy of the front office.

 

[Mainstreet]

They've already offered Williams a contract--the Suns would have signed him already if he accepted it. So them not signing them isn't a strategy of the front office.

Unless Williams is waiting to give the Suns the maximum amount of leverage in doing signings.

 

[Chaplin]

Unless Williams is waiting to give the Suns the maximum amount of leverage in doing signings.

How much leverage do they need? It's not like Williams is sitting on a $20 million contract...

 

[Mainstreet]

How much leverage do they need? It's not like Williams is sitting on a $20 million contract...

If the Suns want to sign additional players under the cap, the Suns can still sign their own free agent afterwards.

 

[Chaplin]

I just think that notwithstanding trades we haven't thought of (and let's face it, there aren't many), we're not going to see much of a splash by the Suns. If your theory is correct, why offer the contract at all that early? If there is an agreement that Williams won't sign it until the Suns are done with other free agents, then there is no reason to officially offer it.

In that case, you've also played your hand, so a rogue team could swoop in and offer a lot more. If we match, then we keep him, but the player and agent would know that we low-balled him with our offer. If you broadcast your offer with the knowledge that he purposely won't accept it, then other teams know how much you value him and can tailor their offers (if any) as such.

 

[Mainstreet]

I just think that notwithstanding trades we haven't thought of (and let's face it, there aren't many), we're not going to see much of a splash by the Suns. If your theory is correct, why offer the contract at all that early? If there is an agreement that Williams won't sign it until the Suns are done with other free agents, then there is no reason to officially offer it.

If the Suns sign their own free agents (Len and Williams) it will be something. Maybe not a huge splash but something. It should not be undervalued. The center position would be addressed.

Offering Williams a contract early would demonstrate the Suns plan to sign him.

 

[Chaplin]

If the Suns sign their own free agents (Len and Williams) it will be something. Maybe not a huge splash but something. It should not be undervalued. The center position would be addressed.

Offering Williams a contract early would demonstrate the Suns plan to sign him.

To who? Can't they just tell the player and his agent, "We plan to sign you," without showing your hand to other teams that could potentially sign him for more?

 

[Mainstreet]

To who? Can't they just tell the player and his agent, "We plan to sign you," without showing your hand to other teams that could potentially sign him for more?

The Suns would be showing their intent sign Williams to other NBA teams. Also the Suns could have kept quiet or perhaps the agent put out this information.

 

[Chaplin]

The Suns would be showing their intent sign Williams to other NBA teams. Also the Suns could have kept quiet or perhaps the agent put out this information.

Perhaps. But the agent could just as easily tell other teams that the Suns are intending to sign him in order to drum up prices. Agree to disagree, although I think we both agree it is in the Suns' best interest to resign him. I'd be even ok at a bigger contract if we're forced to match. $10 million appears to be the new AVERAGE in the league, so I would have no problem with that number if we needed to pay it. I really like Williams.

 

[Mainstreet]

Perhaps. But the agent could just as easily tell other teams that the Suns are intending to sign him in order to drum up prices. Agree to disagree, although I think we both agree it is in the Suns' best interest to resign him. I'd be even ok at a bigger contract if we're forced to match. $10 million appears to be the new AVERAGE in the league, so I would have no problem with that number if we needed to pay it. I really like Williams.

It would indeed be in the Suns best interest to sign Williams. Signing Williams and Len for a reasonable salary would be even better.

The Suns are so quiet about doing their business I can hear the crickets chirping.

 

[overseascardfan]

I wonder if the plan is to sign Len & Williams and trade Chandler.

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if the plan is to sign Len & Williams and trade Chandler.

In regard to the above it makes sense but who knows.

McDonough is so good at keeping things quiet.

If anyone in government wants to stop leaks, hire McDonough.

 

[Mainstreet]

Maybe the Suns decide to cut bait.

The Suns could conceivably release Millsap and DJJ, and renounce Len and Williams and get $27 million in space if they really wanted to.

What the Suns would like is a reverse Kurt Thomas trade. They’d love to take on a serviceable veteran AND/OR a pick or two, however far in the future.

https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/...to-trade-cap-space-young-players-and-or-picks

 

[Mainstreet]

The Suns announce they have signed Davon Reed. I wonder if he gets a four year contract like Ulis.

Doug Haller‏Verified account@DougHaller 4m4 minutes ago


The Suns announce they officially have signed second-round pick Davon Reed.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm wondering if today is the last day a team can withdraw a qualifying offer.

I couldn't help but think of Len when I read this article. Could something happen with Len today?

Simmons had been a restricted free agent.

The Spurs lifted the qualifying offer because Thursday is the final days teams could lift it.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...n-Deal-With-Jonathon-Simmons-After-Pulling-QO

 

[Chaplin]

Apparently we had a sign-and-trade set up with the Spurs of Jonathan Simmons for Tyson Chandler, but the Spurs backed out because of Tyson's contract.

 

[GatorAZ]

Apparently we had a sign-and-trade set up with the Spurs of Jonathan Simmons for Tyson Chandler, but the Spurs backed out because of Tyson's contract.

After talks on a new contract stalled, a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns was presented. The deal featured the Spurs getting center Tyson Chandler in exchange for Simmons, but at the last minute, the Spurs backed out of the trade, not wanting to take on the remaining two years and roughly $26 million on Chandler’s deal.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/sp...ounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php

 

[Chaplin]

After talks on a new contract stalled, a sign-and-trade with the Phoenix Suns was presented. The deal featured the Spurs getting center Tyson Chandler in exchange for Simmons, but at the last minute, the Spurs backed out of the trade, not wanting to take on the remaining two years and roughly $26 million on Chandler’s deal.

http://m.mysanantonio.com/sports/sp...ounce-rights-to-free-agent-guard-11286413.php

Technically the article doesn't say we agreed to the trade, just that the Spurs backed out.

I also question whether we'd actually agree to that trade, what with Len's future in limbo and the drafting of Davon Reed...

 

[Mainstreet]

I wonder if the Suns have any other options on the back burner.

It seems like Len might have been a better piece in the trade because of his salary.

 

[SirStefan32]

That's really strange. Chandler would be a perfect addition to San Antonio. His contract is really not THAT bad.
I do agree with Chap that it seems questionable that the Suns would even agree to it without having an actual Center on the roster.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm hearing rumors the Knicks might be interested in trading for Bledsoe (not likely) but also Knight be included in a trade to move Anthony. The only problem with the latter the Knicks would want compensation.

Moving Knight would be a highlight of the summer if the Suns did not have to give up a first round pick or a player they like.

 

[Hoop Head]

I'm hearing rumors the Knicks might be interested in trading for Bledsoe (not likely) but also Knight be included in a trade to move Anthony. The only problem with the latter the Knicks would want compensation.

Moving Knight would be a highlight of the summer if the Suns did not have to give up a first round pick or a player they like.

The only 1st I'd consider is next year's Miami pick but I'd hope we got something in return, a young player who hasn't shown much or even NY's 2nd rounder in 2019, we don't need it next year since we already have 2.

Maybe we could convince NY into a deal where they had the right to swap 1st's with the Miami picks we own. They might not get anything from it but they definitely wouldn't lose anything. Hornacek is familiar with Knight so I imagine he has some say in their acquiring him. I'd hate to just give up the 2021 pick since there is no protection and there's a chance that Riley is gone by then, he is 72 now, but letting NY swap wouldn't leave us empty handed.

 

[JCSunsfan]

No compensation in a trade for Knight. It is not necessary. Facilitating a Melo deal would be enough compensation. Teams do not facilitate deals for other teams for free.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

No compensation in a trade for Knight. It is not necessary. Facilitating a Melo deal would be enough compensation. Teams do not facilitate deals for other teams for free.

My thoughts exactly. Knight isn't hamstringing us. If we are facilitating a trade, the primary benefactors of whom are the other two teams, that's enough from us. Don't give up assets to rid yourself of a player who isn't killing your cap space or creating waves.