Gabbert question: If he's competing to be a starter next year...

[Solar7]

Alright, I promise I'm not totally anti-Gabbert. I'm rooting for the guy, honestly, and I think the pickup was a good move as a third QB.

But, if we come out next offseason, and say Gabbert is going to be the starter, or is in a competition for the starting job with other players (for the sake of the example, let's say Stanton and AJ McCarron/Glennon/a rookie that isn't a top 5 pick), how would you feel?

I struggle to see a world where the words "Blaine Gabbert, 2018 Arizona Cardinals starting QB" don't make me feel like it's a lost season.

 

[Jetstream Green]

The chances might not be high but I think any QB brought in who is under thirty is being coached to be that potential starter

 

[cardsfanmd]

First off, he's on a 1 year deal for the vet minimum so that's obviously not the plan at this point. He's essentially getting a tryout. I'll be 100% honest though and say if Palmer blew his knee out tomorrow, I would feel a hell of a lot better roller with Gabbert than Stanton who has proven time and time again to suck ass.

 

[Shaggy]

First off, he's on a 1 year deal for the vet minimum so that's obviously not the plan at this point. He's essentially getting a tryout. I'll be 100% honest though and say if Palmer blew his knee out tomorrow, I would feel a hell of a lot better roller with Gabbert than Stanton who has proven time and time again to suck ass.

Yeah, Gabbert has played lights out to. As of right now, Gabbert sucks ass to.

 

[juza76]

robert ethan post coming in 3,2,1

 

[cardsfanmd]

Yeah, Gabbert has played lights out to. As of right now, Gabbert sucks ass to.

Most definitely but he's heads and shoulders a better starting and/or longterm option than Stanton. It's not even close.

 

[JeffGollin]

Betcha BA would say that, if a guy on our 90-man roster doesn't believe he's competing for a starting role (however he might win it)...he doesn't belong on that 90-man roster

 

[RugbyMuffin]

Carson Palmer is signed to 2018.

And after entering seasons with Jeff Blake, Derek Anderson, and Kevin Kolb/John Skelton, as starters, I could endure Blaine Gabbert if it came to that.

Mike Glennon is a definite possibility, and while the majority of people hate the idea of Teddy Bridgewater, he is a possibility as well.

Gotta remember, Kurt Warner, and Carson Palmer were "done" when the Cardinals got them. The one thing about both Palmer, and Warner is they had some success before getting to Arizona.

Cannot say the same for most of the guys mentioned on this thread.

It will be interesting but finding a QB in the NFL is tough, and has always been that way.

 

[Southpaw]

Relatively cheap tryout as an eventual starter. He is experienced, athletic and intelligent. Let Bruce earn his status as a QB guru. He has 1 year, or less ( if Palmer gets wounded ) to intern. He is the Cardinal's version of Jimmy G. Waiting in the wings. Gabbert picked his spot. I believe he had a few more jobs on the list, but maybe he picked this one. The Cards could be quite fortunate.

 

[Mitch]

Relatively cheap tryout as an eventual starter. He is experienced, athletic and intelligent. Let Bruce earn his status as a QB guru. He has 1 year, or less ( if Palmer gets wounded ) to intern. He is the Cardinal's version of Jimmy G. Waiting in the wings. Gabbert picked his spot. I believe he had a few more jobs on the list, but maybe he picked this one. The Cards could be quite fortunate.

Well said, Southpaw! One could argue that Gabbert has as good or better physical tools as any of the QBs in the 2017 draft, save perhaps Mahomes because of his arm. Plus, he has years of starting experience, which puts his at an advantage over any rookie. The Cardinals and Gabbert are hoping this is a match. BA is excited and that's all we need to understand at this point.

 

[football karma]

I think Gabbert is on a month to month audition to be the "bridge starter" post Palmer.

In the grand scheme: Gabbert is good enough that if Palmer retires, the Cards can take a young QB in the draft Nd not have to play him right away because Gabbert can play a mediocre / just enough throws to win brand of QB.

 

[Mitch]

I think Gabbert is on a month to month audition to be the "bridge starter" post Palmer.

In the grand scheme: Gabbert is good enough that if Palmer retires, the Cards can take a young QB in the draft Nd not have to play him right away because Gabbert can play a mediocre / just enough throws to win brand of QB.

I think this is exactly what BA&SK are thinking. See how he does with the Wednesday starter's reps to determine if he's the veteran they want to sign. Then, draft a young QB to develop.

 

[Krangodnzr]

I look at Gabbert as a high upside, low downside signing.

On the upside, he has all the tools to be a really good QB and he is still very young.

On the downside, he hasn't been too successful, but he signed on the cheap and he's not the type of guy that you don't draft a QB if you have him.

I wouldn't be shocked if Palmer walked away after this season and Gabbert took over and the team didn't miss a beat. Gabbert hasn't played with an offense this talented. Hes never had an oline this good, a receiver corps this good, or runningbacks. Plus this offensive coaching staff has the mentorship and know how to get the best out of him.

 

[AsUpRoDiGy]

Camp arm to compete with Stanton. Our future starter is in next years draft.

 

[oaken1]

BG will never start for the Cardinals...if he does we are screwed...*Think* Ryan Lindley kinda screwed

 

[robert ethan]

I think it's 50/50 that Gabbert starts half of the games in 2017. David Garrard was a bigger obstacle when Blaine beat him out in 2011 as a rookie without benefit of training camp. Garrard was in his prime at 31 and coming off several solid starting seasons. Then along came Chad Henne who was a three year young veteran starter in Miami, before he joined the Jags to compete for the starter position Kaepernick was a bigger obstacle in S.F. when Gabbert arrived there, Squidward was being touted at "the next big thing" in the league at the position, he was just 26 and had just signed a huge contract. No one thought Gabbert would take his job in their wildest dreams. As far as Blaine's career is concerned, this is the new situation where he has the best chance to start quickly in my opinion. No disrespect to Carson Palmer, but he's 37 and ambivalent about whether he wants to continue playing. The guy has made about a billion dollars in his life, I think the main reason he came back is to try to help Arians and Fitzpatrick go out in style. It wouldn't take much to nudge Carson off to spend more time with his young family while they're growing up.
Remember, Kurt Warner hadn't thrown an NFL pass when he was the age Blaine is now. I think he was in the Arena League or Europe at the time. Palmer came to the team for a late round pick with his career in doubt and several years older than Gabbert is at the moment.

 

[oaken1]

I think it's 50/50 that Gabbert starts half of the games in 2017. David Garrard was a bigger obstacle when Blaine beat him out in 2011 as a rookie without benefit of training camp. Garrard was in his prime at 31 and coming off several solid starting seasons. Then along came Chad Henne who was a three year young veteran starter in Miami, before he joined the Jags to compete for the starter position Kaepernick was a bigger obstacle in S.F. when Gabbert arrived there, Squidward was being touted at "the next big thing" in the league at the position, he was just 26 and had just signed a huge contract. No one thought Gabbert would take his job in their wildest dreams. As far as Blaine's career is concerned, this is the new situation where he has the best chance to start quickly in my opinion. No disrespect to Carson Palmer, but he's 37 and ambivalent about whether he wants to continue playing. The guy has made about a billion dollars in his life, I think the main reason he came back is to try to help Arians and Fitzpatrick go out in style. It wouldn't take much to nudge Carson off to spend more time with his young family while they're growing up.
Remember, Kurt Warner hadn't thrown an NFL pass when he was the age Blaine is now. I think he was in the Arena League or Europe at the time. Palmer came to the team for a late round pick with his career in doubt and several years older than Gabbert is at the moment.

okay now I understand. Your his dad...

 

[robert ethan]

okay now I understand. Your his dad...

Well, if you don't agree with what I say, point out some factual errors. I'm making a case for Gabbert, sure, but it's based on logic.

 

[cardncubfan]

Well, if you don't agree with what I say, point out some factual errors. I'm making a case for Gabbert, sure, but it's based on logic.

Logic that isn't based on fact. Palmer is way better than Garrard or Kaep. He also still has a passion & can read an NFL defense. Gabbert has had chances & showed that he isn't capable of being anything more than a back up. If he was as good as you think he is he would have better than a 56% completion percentage for his career.

 

[Solar7]

Well, if you don't agree with what I say, point out some factual errors. I'm making a case for Gabbert, sure, but it's based on logic.

You'd stop calling our Hall of Fame wide receiver "Fitzpatrick," for one.

The numbers don't really back up your opinion. It's less logic, and more "excuses and conjecture."

Quarterbacks with a ton of talent tend to raise the play of those around them. Gabbert hasn't shown much of anything, even in flashes, with more opportunity than most QBs in this league get before being cast onto the garbage heap.

 

[Jetstream Green]

I think one reason the Cards signed Gabbert is to quiet the criticism they were getting from the media and fans for not drafting a qb to develop and take Palmers place. BA is now saying the Gabbert is better than any of the qbs in the draft. All of this is BS but fans are buying it. Gabbert and Stanton are at the most, backups.

The Cardinals spent cap space on a player just to pacify the fans for what they did not do in the draft? Sorry, but I do not see the Cardinal organization or any other franchise, at least regarded as competitive, do a knee jerk like that because of the media and fans... and Amos Jones agrees with that premise

 

[robert ethan]

Quarterbacks, (or any athlete in any sport) don't just go from being "terrible" to "great" overnight, or vice versa. They are a process at all points in their career, going back to grade school. Was Warner "crap" by NFL standards up to his late 20s? Yeah, but there were extenuating factors, and the talent was always there, but latent. Was Palmer "crap" and "washed up" by NFL standards when the Cards acquired him in his mid 30s? Yeah, you could probably say that. He'd been found wanting and replaced in two cities by younger quarterbacks. Brett Favre was traded early in his career, after throwing 4 NFL passes, 2 of which were completed. To the other teams defensive backs. Colts gave up on Peyton Manning and he went to Denver and won a SB. Steve Young was a failure in TB and a backup in SF until he was close to 30, now he's in the HOF.

That is what Arians has been trying to get across about Gabbert. Bruce talks about plays Gabbert made in 2011 and what his impression of him was coming out of college. That may seem irrelevant to you guys, but it's the same player and the same person. Circumstance and situation are everything in terms of career success. The athletes don't get "better" or "worse" than they were, unless they suffer serious injury, up to the point where they lose their prime athleticism. Quarterbacks can play effectively into their 40s if the situation around them is right. At 27 Gabbert has a lot more of his career ahead of him than behind him, and he's the same individual who was the top ranked HS recruit (ahead of Andrew Luck among others), then the top ranked college prospect at the position (ahead of Cam Newton among others). Gabs had a few nagging injuries in Jacksonville that cost him his job there, but nothing that affects him at the moment. He's the same guy, with an extra 10 pounds of muscle and 6 years of NFL experience. Bruce realizes that even if you guys can't.

 

[robert ethan]

LOL, just found the same thing being said by someone else http://cardswire.usatoday.com/2017/05/14/blaine-gabbert-fits-the-bruce-arians-profile/

 

[cardpa]

To give some perspective to this I decided to see how often QBs got sacked and I just grabbed some stats for QBs that popped into my mind.

P. Manning sacked once every 31 attempts
Brady sacked once every 19.7 attempts
Palmer sacked once every 19 attempts
E. Manning sacked once every 20.8 attempts
Luck sacked once every 17 attempts
Brees sacked once every 24.4 attempts
Roethlisberger sacked once every 13 attempts
Rodgers sacked once every 13.6 attempts
Kaepernick sacked once every 9.9 attempts
Bortles sacked once every 12 attempts
Gabbert sacked once every 11 attempts

What I tried to do is compare some other QBs who have had weaker OLINES and then QBs who have played on the same team as Gabbert. Interesting enough Gabbert has similar stats to Bortles who succeeded him in Jacksonville and Kaepernick whom he played with in SF. What does this mean, well maybe nothing however it does point out that he probably never had a decent Oline in front of him as the other two have had similar results. Maybe with a decent team Gabbert may have a chance at being a decent starter. I know this isn't the be all end all but it does point to a trend. I am all for giving the guy a chance to see where he shakes out.

 

[AZ Native]

BG will never start for the Cardinals...if he does we are screwed...*Think* Ryan Lindley kinda screwed

Disagree. I think he will beat out Stanton as #2 (if BA can get over the DS love) and will be one injury away from starting. Most starting QB's don't start every game. After that, who knows? But I am willing to give the guy a chance.