Gambo: McGrady & Kobe in PHX...

[slinslin]

And you are making up fake reasons why this isn't good.

Kobe and TMac are shooters?

Well we could also call them playmakers, scorers, passers, leaders whatever you want.

They get double teamed all the time and still put up huge numbers.

You put Tmac and Kobe on the floor at the same time, they can't be guarded by any team in the league and they find the open man as well and Amare commands a double team as well.

Even if we played 3 on 5 on offense it would be almost impossible to defend us.
The problem is that you can't just leave Barbosa open for a 3 or Vujanic either.

 

[sly fly]

Just getting Kobe would be monumental.

Add Tmac, and you instantly have the most explosive tandem EVER. EVER. EVER.

There is no way any basketball fan (with any knowledge about the game) can find a fault with having these two on the same team.

If they do, then they need to take a less negative slant on life.

Kobe. Tmac. Amare. Vujanic. Okafor.

The house gets filled every night. Return to national prominence. JC gets his title. Skkorpion sells this board to Google due to the massive advertising gain.

Dreaming is free...

 

[Yuma]

They ARE NOT BOTH COMPLETE players. When Kobe WANTS to play defense he is good, I'll give him that much. However, I have watched Tmac a lot, and defense is NOT his priority. I hardly ever see him shut his man down, and usually see him let his guy outrun him down the court. These guys are outstanding scorers. So now we are scoring 100 points a game instead of 90 points a game and our defense STILL sucks!!

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by Yuma
They ARE NOT BOTH COMPLETE players. When Kobe WANTS to play defense he is good, I'll give him that much. However, I have watched Tmac a lot, and defense is NOT his priority. I hardly ever see him shut his man down, and usually see him let his guy outrun him down the court. These guys are outstanding scorers. So now we are scoring 100 points a game instead of 90 points a game and our defense STILL sucks!!

Good point, both guys are "me first" players, which isn't a bad thing per se. It would be a good point someday for the Suns to think about closing that huge gap in their interior defense. Having 3 max contracts on the books (Counting Amare eventually), I can't see them having the money to do that.

 

[Yuma]

Boy Ryan, I guess I just killed this thread! It sure slowed down after I posted!

 

[slinslin]

I think Kobe's all nba first defense team selections say otherwise about his defense.

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Yuma
They ARE NOT BOTH COMPLETE players. When Kobe WANTS to play defense he is good, I'll give him that much. However, I have watched Tmac a lot, and defense is NOT his priority. I hardly ever see him shut his man down, and usually see him let his guy outrun him down the court. These guys are outstanding scorers. So now we are scoring 100 points a game instead of 90 points a game and our defense STILL sucks!!

The Sacramento Kings score a lot of points, and have a good defensive 2 guard (but are not strong as a team defensively), and they have the best record in the league.

 

[elindholm]

I'm not living in the Gambo fantasy world, but if there were a way to get Bryant and McGrady on the Suns without giving up Stoudemire, of course it would be a good idea.

There's no way that you can point to an alleged "weakness" in either Bryant's or McGrady's game and use that as a reason not to want them on the team. That's just silly. But ... you certainly could use Bryant's legal troubles, or McGrady's back, as reasons to be wary.

It won't happen anyway, but if it did, it would be a very good thing.

 

[Ryanwb]

Originally posted by slinslin
I think Kobe's all nba first defense team selections say otherwise about his defense.

Everybody knows that just a popularity contest

 

[slinslin]

Also Kobe and TMac are no more self-centered than what Marbury is/was.

You are blaming the media for calling Marbury selfish but Kobe and TMac of course are selfish because some in the media suggest this.

Kobe doesn't hog the ball. He takes a lot of shots sometimes because he feels he needs to take over a game.
But he is not a hog he will get the ball to a teammate if he is in a better position.

TMac has no talent to play with.

You would have to believe that if they play together and want that they will easily mesh on the court. They are WAY too good not to.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Originally posted by Chaplin
Why? Just curious.

I've just seen too many situations that backfired recently where teams have given up good young talent for established vets.

Jermaine O'Neal for Dale Davis
The Raps keeping Carter instead of McGrady
Ben Wallace as a throw-in in the Grant Hill FA signing

Besides, I really like JJ's game. He has a rare blend of talents and seems to score effortlessly (without disrupting the team offense) as well as play D. He reminds me alot of a young Clyde Drexler. He's also been amazingly healthy.

JJ, Marion, and a top 5 pick just seems to high--especially with what the Suns have been able to do with picks.

Lets just say its, JJ, Marion and Okafor, for McGrady. But its not just that, its for McGrady for a year. He'd be a FA the next year and we could just sign him then.

Naw, its too much. The Magic would jump at it and laugh all the way home.

"We were going to lose him next year for nothing, and look at what they gave us!"

 

[George O'Brien]

Originally posted by Yuma
They ARE NOT BOTH COMPLETE players. When Kobe WANTS to play defense he is good, I'll give him that much. However, I have watched Tmac a lot, and defense is NOT his priority. I hardly ever see him shut his man down, and usually see him let his guy outrun him down the court. These guys are outstanding scorers. So now we are scoring 100 points a game instead of 90 points a game and our defense STILL sucks!!

But how can he outrun T-Mac if the Suns score every time they get ball.

One of the problems with evaluating top scorers it that tend to put their energy into their offense rather than on defense. On a team like the Magic, this is a huge problem because everyone sets up their defense to stop him.

Would he play better defense if he was on a better team? Maybe, but it might hurt his offense.

 

[slinslin]

We couldn't sign TMac because we would have Marion and JJ on the books as well as the pick.

None of the trades you mentioned is for a top5 player who is years away from his prime.

 

[Ryanwb]

I'm going to spray paint a white spot on top of my head like Rasheed Wallace and think about this

 

[slinslin]

Trading for TMac - Marion/JJ/top5 pick
Signing Kobe - 100M$
Lakers fans crying - PRICELESS!!

 

[Yuma]

well, one thing you could say about them NOT meshing would be the fact they both need the ball in their hands to get their rythm, spacing, etc., to score. Neither is a great spot up shooter. I guess Tmac would be closer to a spot up shooter than Kobe. Just trying to go along with your guys assertion that this would be the team to beat if we had both players. I would still worry about any teams that had Shaq or Duncan on it, and maybe Garnett, too!

 

[Yuma]

In fact, you get me Kobe AND Garnett (as long as we are dreaming) and I would like THAT much better!!! The only thing that would top that is Kobe AND Shaq!! No wait, that's the reason Barkley said Kobe WON'T leave the Lakers. Barkley says he is staying in LA. If that's the case then it's Kobe, Shaq, and Tmac in LA!!! Cue in Chaplin saying Kobe WON'T be a Clipper! (or Sun)

 

[Ryanwb]

Wouldn't Kobe just **** if he signed a long term deal to play for Phoenix.....and then we traded for Shaq!

HAHA

 

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by Yuma
In fact, you get me Kobe AND Garnett (as long as we are dreaming) and I would like THAT much better!!! The only thing that would top that is Kobe AND Shaq!! No wait, that's the reason Barkley said Kobe WON'T leave the Lakers. Barkley says he is staying in LA. If that's the case then it's Kobe, Shaq, and Tmac in LA!!! Cue in Chaplin saying Kobe WON'T be a Clipper! (or Sun)

Kobe WON'T be a Clipper!

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

Sadly, I think I am with JC on this.

Assuming we get Kobe of course. Without Kobe, I do the Marion and JJ trade in a second.


My main reasoning is neither JJ or Shawn in particular need to be "the man" on a team. They could fit in with Kobe and Amare very very well. Basically, it would be the Lakers with a less dominating post player (maybe not for to long though) but with a real supporting cast (im talkin from the championship years).

A JJ/Kobe backcourt, while not as amazing as JJ and TMAC on the wings, is stil VERY good, and in theory, would still be very hard to match up with. Plus, teams would have to basically ignore Marion on the baseline, since the team would have to focus on guarding Amare/JJ/Kobe.

Personally, I think that either of the combinations is a championship contender for years to come. However, the JJ/Marion is more complete, and healthier for that matter.

 

[thegrahamcrackr]

BTW, that is sadly I am against the trade, not sadly I agree with JC

 

[Yuma]

Stop the presses!! I actually agree with you on this!! We NEVER agree on any topic!!! That's it, God must be coming, the apocolypse is now!! Either that or Hell just got colder than 32 degrees fahrenheit!!

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Originally posted by George O'Brien

Generally it needs to be E. This is why there are so few trades of superstars unless they are "forced" trades.

ah, but we're talking about a "forced" trade here is mcgrady makes noise about opting out next year.

remember, we traded horny, lang bang, and tim perry for barkley just before he became league mvp. i think the tmac for marion, jj, and #5 pick is imminently possible if mcgrady makes it known he's outta there the year after.

 

[se7en]

There is something no one is thinking about. We don't want the Suns to press their luck again during another player/league bargaining session do we? We already saw what happened with Dice. Could you imagine if we gave up Marion, JJ and a draft pick for a one year rental of McGrady? If there was another lockout and salary structures changed again or something else happened... Like he didn't get alone with Kobe and Amare... Now I'm dreaming. But it would be scary to have to renegotiate with Mcgrady during another bargaining session. That's just a bad omen.

 

[slinslin]

I doubt that risk would make Colangelo shy way. At worst he will have a lot of capspace next offseason if TMac bolted.

And I doubt TMac would walk. First of all not many teams could even offer him a contract. Second of all those teams would probably be bad and it is obvious that TMac is all fed up with losing games.