Gambo: Suns Interested In Trade

[mjb21aztd]

I would love to have camby on this team as long as we dont have to give up to much because I also hope we build for the future as well and keep atleast one of our draft picks. But having Camby on this team would really help us and i'm all for it make it happen

 

[Rab]

Again, this all comes down to whether or not Sarver and Kerr are willing to be that far over the cap. Trading KT for Camby doesn't solve anything for us financially.

Would love to have him though. He would free up Amare to do his thing, though I hope it wouldn't make Amare an even worse defender since he'd have Camby to back him up.

 

[hawaiiansun]

Camby is pretty old too, 33..how long will he last? I say no

 

[NastyOne]

Camby is pretty old too, 33..how long will he last? I say no

Say no to what? Trading an older player than Camby in Kurt Thomas?

The only thing negative about the deal is that Camby's contract is longer than Kurt's.

My guess is draft picks and some throw-in players will be included, but trading picks and players like Piatkowski to match salaries isnt hurting us.

Camby is by far the superior player to Kurt Thomas and his game would fit in very nicely with Amare and Nash.

 

[azirish]

The money really does matter.

The biggest issue beyond money is whether Camby is any better than KT at dealing with Duncn. It didn't look like it in the Nuggets-Spurs series, where Nene did most of work on Duncan.

Regular season, Camby is a great addition to the Suns. So what? Regular season the Suns are likely to win 60 plus without either KT or Camby. All that matters is beating the Spurs and I'm not sure Camby helps, but he does lock in a lot of money.

 

[Chaplin]

The money really does matter.

The biggest issue beyond money is whether Camby is any better than KT at dealing with Duncn. It didn't look like it in the Nuggets-Spurs series, where Nene did most of work on Duncan.

Regular season, Camby is a great addition to the Suns. So what? Regular season the Suns are likely to win 60 plus without either KT or Camby. All that matters is beating the Spurs and I'm not sure Camby helps, but he does lock in a lot of money.

Why wouldn't Camby help? Don't you think Manu and Parker would think twice about driving into a lane filled with Camby and Amare?

 

[arwillan]

Why wouldn't Camby help? Don't you think Manu and Parker would think twice about driving into a lane filled with Camby and Amare?

i certainly hope so. i still think camby is the best answer the suns can get for duncan. maybe if he had some help occasionally to throw of duncans rhythm he could be even more effective.

 

[Nasser22]

Camby is better than Kurt. It's a fact. He can rebound, run with us and still knock down the mid-range shot. We've needed a shotblocker for a long time. Duncan is going to abuse anyone that guards him, but having Camby would limit the many, many easy layups this team still gives up. I'd love this trade. I think Sarver may do it. There's not really much we can do to get rid of salary now. This move will help us win a championship and the year after we can do what the Florida Marlins do. It'll suck, but will be worth it.

 

[Rab]

The money really does matter.

The biggest issue beyond money is whether Camby is any better than KT at dealing with Duncn. It didn't look like it in the Nuggets-Spurs series, where Nene did most of work on Duncan.

Regular season, Camby is a great addition to the Suns. So what? Regular season the Suns are likely to win 60 plus without either KT or Camby. All that matters is beating the Spurs and I'm not sure Camby helps, but he does lock in a lot of money.

Agreed, he'd be a great addition, but I think defensively he is a bit overrated, because he is not a good post defender. Because of his size, he's unable to hold any kind of position down low. Kurt is tough to budge.

Camby might get you more blocks and rebounds, but against Duncan he'll struggle. I would like him here, but I don't know that it does anything for us in the postseason. Would he really make us that much better? Not too mention he has 2-3 years left on his deal.

Kurt has been here for 2 years now, and even if we do keep him, he'll be off the books next summer, and maybe would sign for cheap in the offseason.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

i certainly hope so. i still think camby is the best answer the suns can get for duncan. maybe if he had some help occasionally to throw of duncans rhythm he could be even more effective.

I don't think that Camby is the "best answer" for Duncan. He is definitely the best fit for C that the Suns can get. I have been pimping Camby on this team for about 2 years.

 

[elindholm]

He's the freaking Defensive Player of the Year. Let's give him some credit.

 

[Rab]

He's the freaking Defensive Player of the Year. Let's give him some credit.

Sure, give him his dues. I don't think anyone is discrediting his credentials or anything. They are only expressing concern with him trying to take Duncan. The Spurs may be our biggest obstacle again next year. Is Camby really the best solution?

I don't know.

 

[Chaplin]

KT is one of only a small handful of players that can "take" Duncan. He'll continue to get his points no matter who you put on him. Again, Camby would be MORE effective when it comes to Manu and Parker because of his defensive presence and shotblocking in the lane.

 

[Rab]

KT is one of only a small handful of players that can "take" Duncan. He'll continue to get his points no matter who you put on him. Again, Camby would be MORE effective when it comes to Manu and Parker because of his defensive presence and shotblocking in the lane.

I'm not going to complain either way with whether or not we have him. Camby can't take Duncan, but yes, he could help out with Parker and Manu. But then, he might spend a little too much time helping and leaving Duncan. It's a pick your poison situation I guess.

 

[Brianellsworth]

So if the defensive player of the year can not handle Duncan who do you suggest we try to get that is available that can handle duncan? I don't have an answer im interested what names will be brought up though.

 

[azirish]

The real key is whether Amare can learn to play defense without fouling. He gets an awful lot of ticky tack fouls called on him, mostly due to his inability to hold low post players out of the paint without using his hands. His other big problem is trying to block shots from guys coming straight at him.

If you trade for Camby, Amare has to defense Duncan with Camby on the weak side. If Amare could keep Duncan from shooting 60%it would work great because Camby would stop Parker and Manu from driving the basket. But if Amare gets into foul trouble against Duncan like he usually does, this just won't work.

 

[Hugh D'Man]

Sheed plays Duncan as well as anyone....and with him, there is a serious mismatch when the Suns have the Ball....Duncan and Oberto covering Sheed and Amare ??? I like Marcus, but he is 33, has what?, 3 yrs left on a hefty paycheck...and he doesn't have the outside game that Wallace has. Plus, Sheed is a flat out killer...and he has a ring.

I doubt either comes here.

 

[azirish]

Sheed plays Duncan as well as anyone....and with him, there is a serious mismatch when the Suns have the Ball....Duncan and Oberto covering Sheed and Amare ??? I like Marcus, but he is 33, has what?, 3 yrs left on a hefty paycheck...and he doesn't have the outside game that Wallace has. Plus, Sheed is a flat out killer...and he has a ring.

I doubt either comes here.

The Detroit media have overreacted to the Cav series. Yes, Sheed went over the edge, but the Pistons are not going to trade him.

As for Sheed as a player, I have serious misgivings. He is extremely emotional and often uses poor judgement. He's a pretty good low post player that wants to shoot a lot of threes but is not very consistent (reminds me of Antoine Walker).

The deal the Detroit writer was talking about was Sheed for Marion. They play totally different styles, but statitically Marion is superior in every category except three point shooting this year. Sheed's career three point average is 33.9% to Marion's 34.2%

Rasheed Wallace
Detroit Pistons
Position: F-C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 230
College : North Carolina
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG12.3
RPG7.2
APG1.7
SPG1.00
BPG1.57
FG%.423
FT%.788
3P%.351
MPG32.3


Shawn Marion
Phoenix Suns
Position: F
Height: 6-7 Weight: 228
College : UNLV
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG17.5
RPG9.8
APG1.7
SPG1.95
BPG1.53
FG%.524
FT%.810
3P%.317
MPG37.6

 

[arwillan]

The Detroit media have overreacted to the Cav series. Yes, Sheed went over the edge, but the Pistons are not going to trade him.

As for Sheed as a player, I have serious misgivings. He is extremely emotional and often uses poor judgement. He's a pretty good low post player that wants to shoot a lot of threes but is not very consistent (reminds me of Antoine Walker).

The deal the Detroit writer was talking about was Sheed for Marion. They play totally different styles, but statitically Marion is superior in every category except three point shooting this year. Sheed's career three point average is 33.9% to Marion's 34.2%

Rasheed Wallace
Detroit Pistons
Position: F-C
Height: 6-11 Weight: 230
College : North Carolina
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG12.3
RPG7.2
APG1.7
SPG1.00
BPG1.57
FG%.423
FT%.788
3P%.351
MPG32.3


Shawn Marion
Phoenix Suns
Position: F
Height: 6-7 Weight: 228
College : UNLV
Player file | Team stats
2006-07 Statistics
PPG17.5
RPG9.8
APG1.7
SPG1.95
BPG1.53
FG%.524
FT%.810
3P%.317
MPG37.6

i never would have guessed sheed only has 13 ppg. and i never would have guessed that marion stats are so superior. i guess marion is worth hanging onto if sheed is the only deal we can come up with.

 

[elindholm]

If the Suns' championship hopes rest on finding a single player who can shut down Duncan one-on-one, it's hopeless. That's a completely unrealistic requirement.

 

[arwillan]

If the Suns' championship hopes rest on finding a single player who can shut down Duncan one-on-one, it's hopeless. That's a completely unrealistic requirement.

their hopes rely on clogging the lane to slow manu and parker. tim duncan will be tim duncan reguardless of who guards him, so make his distributors/outside shooters do some work and we have a good chance. if duncan gets hot, then we try fouling/doubling/ etc . thats something we can rest our championship hopes on, slowing manu and parker

 

[PhxGametime]

Get Camby!!! k thanks


How could anybody be against getting Camby? Kurt Thomas didn't slow down Duncan at all, and sure he's nice matchup against two Teams (Spurs and Rockets) but Camby is superior against every other Team and while I don't watch any Nuggets games, i just have a feeling Camby is a better matchup against those two Teams as well with his shot-blocking, let alone being better in stats and athleticism.

 

[arwillan]

Get Camby!!! k thanks


How could anybody be against getting Camby? Kurt Thomas didn't slow down Duncan at all, and sure he's nice matchup against two Teams (Spurs and Rockets) but Camby is superior against every other Team and while I don't watch any Nuggets games, i just have a feeling Camby is a better matchup against those two Teams as well with his shot-blocking, let alone being better in stats and athleticism.

kurt didnt slow him down, but thats like someone trying to stop a volcanoe. you can only hope to limit the damage, but its 100% unstoppable

 

[Bufalay]

Get Camby!!! k thanks


How could anybody be against getting Camby? Kurt Thomas didn't slow down Duncan at all, and sure he's nice matchup against two Teams (Spurs and Rockets) but Camby is superior against every other Team and while I don't watch any Nuggets games, i just have a feeling Camby is a better matchup against those two Teams as well with his shot-blocking, let alone being better in stats and athleticism.

KT is good against 2 teams...that is false but lets assume for a second that you are right.

WHO CARES. the suns can handle every team in the league other than the spurs. KT against the spurs is better than Camby against the spurs. So making the trade would allow the suns to win 67 games in the regular season and then lose in 4 instead of 6 to the spurs.

 

[arwillan]

KT is good against 2 teams...that is false but lets assume for a second that you are right.

WHO CARES. the suns can handle every team in the league other than the spurs. KT against the spurs is better than Camby against the spurs. So making the trade would allow the suns to win 67 games in the regular season and then lose in 4 instead of 6 to the spurs.

maybe not. camby wont help too much on duncan like KT does, but he will be very nice on parker and floppy driving into the lane and sometimes passing it to duncan once they get there. let duncan get his, and shut down the rest. thats what the spurs do with amare and nash's assists. seems to be working out for them