Gambo: Suns Interested In Trade

[Bufalay]

Kurt Thomas can guard Tim Duncan. Marcus Camby can't.

 

[Mainstreet]

Oh boy. Yeah, cuz Marion did such a bang up job on Parker. You have small ball on the brain, man. If we had a legit post defensive presence in terms of shot blocking, our perimeter D would APPEAR so much better. But, because Marion is relegated to chasing around a waterbug all game long, by the time TP gets to the rim, there is no resistance to affect his shot....

WE DON'T NEED A ROSTER FULL OF 1's, 2's and 3's!!!!

I don't think Marion is the answer to guarding Tony Parker. I was thinking more in the lines of a player like Thabo. I agree the Suns need a shot blocking big man, however, getting one is easier said than done (at least one that can do more). If the Suns cannot address the front line with talent, at least they can address the back court.

You don't always get what you want.

 

[slinslin]

Kurt Thomas can guard Tim Duncan. Marcus Camby can't.

You can't be serious.

What exactly has Thomas done to Duncan except appearing to make him work hard? Duncan still did the same thing he did with any other defender on him basically.

 

[Bufalay]

You can't be serious.

What exactly has Thomas done to Duncan except appearing to make him work hard? Duncan still did the same thing he did with any other defender on him basically.

He did an amazing job on Duncan. Fortunately I was able to see Camby attempt to guard Duncan in the first round (for limited stretches) and he was about as good as Amare.

 

[slinslin]

haha what the hell were you watching, Nene was guarding Duncan, Camby was playing on the weakside and basically guarded the rim mostly.

Numbers don't lie, Duncan was killing Thomas and you can go on and rave how Thomas was holding his jersey and playing hard, still doesn't change that Duncan abused him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM-P9LRLak

If you think we are better off keeping Thomas you are absolutely nuts.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

if the suns get camby, i hope they try to get lewis for marion..
lewis is a great fit for the SF position..

cheese was contemplating that as well. b/c camby would help shore up rebounding we wouldn't have to be as worried about rebounding coming from the sf (marion) position, so the drop in rebounding from marion to lewis wouldn't hurt us much. and we'd become a MUCH bigger front line (6'10, 6'10, 7'0). scoring OVER us would be difficult for most teams. this is something we've NEVER seen from the suns. and most likely the reason it won't happen.

 

[Mainstreet]

haha what the hell were you watching, Nene was guarding Duncan, Camby was playing on the weakside and basically guarded the rim mostly.

Numbers don't lie, Duncan was killing Thomas and you can go on and rave how Thomas was holding his jersey and playing hard, still doesn't change that Duncan abused him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM-P9LRLak

If you think we are better off keeping Thomas you are absolutely nuts.

To be fair it must be said TD abuses most everyone. However, I will say KT played about as good as position defense on TD as anyone I have seen. And many times he did it without help.

 

[slinslin]

And almost everytime Duncan still scored because Thomas is too short and too slow.

Thomas good defensive players were swiping the ball out of his hands thats it most of the times he simply fouled however.

 

[slinslin]

Duncan against the Nuggets in the first round
21ppg 11rpg 5apg 47%FG
Duncan against the Suns in the second round
27ppg 14rpg 1apg 57%FG

Do we even have to argue this? I think its pretty obvious.

 

[Mainstreet]

And almost everytime Duncan still scored because Thomas is too short and too slow.

Thomas good defensive players were swiping the ball out of his hands thats it most of the times he simply fouled however.

I know what you are saying but I think you are vastly under rating KT's defense. I seen a number of shots TD miss (that he normally makes) with KT guarding him... alone.

Your right of course, KT is shorter and slower but this made me admire how much a player can get out of position defense. I just wish wish KT was younger and taller.

 

[Rab]

cheese was contemplating that as well. b/c camby would help shore up rebounding we wouldn't have to be as worried about rebounding coming from the sf (marion) position, so the drop in rebounding from marion to lewis wouldn't hurt us much. and we'd become a MUCH bigger front line (6'10, 6'10, 7'0). scoring OVER us would be difficult for most teams. this is something we've NEVER seen from the suns. and most likely the reason it won't happen.

If by some chance we could get Camby for a KT, and somehow reel in Lewis as well for Marion, I think that would work wonders for the Suns. A pipe dream at best though. The negative part of this is that Rashard and Camby are prone to injury, so who knows how much we get from them, but Camby would more than make up for Marion on defense and the boards, and Lewis would give us another great shooter who CAN ALSO CREATE HIS OWN OFFENSE. I love Marion, but he frustrates the hell out of me sometimes.

 

[Bufalay]

I said Camby guarded Duncan for short periods of time meaning that long periods of time (i.e. the majority of the game) Nene guarded Duncan. Camby tried and failed.

When Kurt plays the suns are a better team, when D'antoni tries to go small they aren't as good. People talk about KT's defense and praise it quite often, BUT his importance to the Suns is very underrated especially by D'antoni.

The suns were on a freaking 60 something win pace before he got injured last season. They were at their best this season with him in the lineup as well. And if he had played more than 13 minutes in game 1 against the spurs things might have, and by might have I mean WOULD HAVE, ended differently in that game

 

[Rab]

I also thought that Kurt Thomas on Tim Duncan was essential for the Suns to have any success defensively in this series. In Game 1 Duncan caused so many problems for Amare, that it took him out of his offensive game, and forced the Suns to scramble so much on defense, that it hurt them.

Kurt is the only player on the Suns who can stay with TD one on one and make it tough for him to score, but more importantly, it allowed the Suns to stay on the shooters, and not have double and scramble for an entire game. Then it allowed them to throw random doubles at Duncan late in games to get him out of rythm.

 

[Mainstreet]

I also thought that Kurt Thomas on Tim Duncan was essential for the Suns to have any success defensively in this series. In Game 1 Duncan caused so many problems for Amare, that it took him out of his offensive game, and forced the Suns to scramble so much on defense, that it hurt them.

Kurt is the only player on the Suns who can stay with TD one on one and make it tough for him to score, but more importantly, it allowed the Suns to stay on the shooters, and not have double and scramble for an entire game. Then it allowed them to throw random doubles at Duncan late in games to get him out of rythm.

I agree for the most part about KT and especially in retrospect. However, the Suns needed more answers to guarding Tony Parker driving the lane besides Marion. I sure wish the Suns would have tried Banks on Parker at least as an experiment.

 

[TBaslim]

We could trade Thomas and Atlantas pick for Camby and save salary cap space by trading Marion or Diaw.

I don't think you can play Marion at the 3 with Amare and Camby. I would want a smooth SF who can shoot meaing Rashard Lewis in a S&T for Marion that could save us a few million as well.

Dude - what's with the Marion hate? Seriously. Every trade. Marion for 'whatever'. It is getting crazy. Crazy I say!

R. Lewis << Marion. Not worth a few million, unless Sarver is really cheap.

 

[TBaslim]

Seeing Rasheed Wallace in a Suns uniform would just be wierd to me. Maybe thats just me though

It is not just you.

 

[TBaslim]

well, i guess here's where we'll see how much sarver says "luxury tax be damned, i wants me a championship!"

KT plus pick for camby and one of their bad contracts (who has a bad contract with denver) would be a no-brainer but for the money involved.

Agreed - this would be interesting + might make some sense. Camby fits better then KT (although I love KT). The only problem is $$.

Sarver has a fun summer ahead.

 

[JCSunsfan]

haha what the hell were you watching, Nene was guarding Duncan, Camby was playing on the weakside and basically guarded the rim mostly.

Numbers don't lie, Duncan was killing Thomas and you can go on and rave how Thomas was holding his jersey and playing hard, still doesn't change that Duncan abused him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM-P9LRLak

If you think we are better off keeping Thomas you are absolutely nuts.

Count me among the ones that are nuts. Camby is a shot blocker, but KT is one of the purest interior defenders in the league. If you don't understand that you weren't watching the playoffs. The biggest problem with KT is that the coach didn't put him on the court enough. Maybe its conditioning.

As much as I have disliked Sheed over the years, this rumor got me thinking about him paired with Amare. Sheed's inside outside game and defense would make him a very good complement to Amare.

Of these two options, I would take Wallace.

 

[cly2tw]

I'd love Camby and Evans(if he would get any PT). The only thing I worry about is that Duncan had his way with Camby, but Kurt at least gave him some trouble. I'd rather have Camby though for his shot blocking and he wouldn't wear out as easily, even though he does have injury problems.

Exactly! Can Evans contain TD? Camby at C will make Nash cheat even more on defense. So, unless we have confidence that Amare's lowpost defense dramatically improves, we still don't have enough to beat the Spurs.

 

[slinslin]

Dude - what's with the Marion hate? Seriously. Every trade. Marion for 'whatever'. It is getting crazy. Crazy I say!

R. Lewis << Marion. Not worth a few million, unless Sarver is really cheap.

Rashard Lewis is a much better player to have when you have Camby and Amare in the frontcourt.

Younger, longer, pure shooter, easily posts up..

 

[cly2tw]

I agree for the most part about KT and especially in retrospect. However, the Suns needed more answers to guarding Tony Parker driving the lane besides Marion. I sure wish the Suns would have tried Banks on Parker at least as an experiment.

There you go. We need better perimeter defenders with playing time in there. Bell is simply too slow for Parker and LB not good enough on defense. But Rasheed would be the optimal solution as the shot blocking center and post defender though.

 

[TBaslim]

Rashard Lewis is a much better player to have when you have Camby and Amare in the frontcourt.

Younger, longer, pure shooter, easily posts up..

Hmmm...I'll give that Lewis is a better pure shooter then Marion, which would server better with an Amare/Camby front court.

But what about defense? Rebounding? Heck - hustle? Steals? Speed?

Lewis just reeks of soft big wing player. Jacking up 3 pointers all day. Yes, he is tall. And, yes, he is the second best player on one of the worst teams in the league last year (Seattle). Whoop-$%*#ing-ie.

Not a bad player, but color me uninpressed in swapping him for Shawn at this stage in their careers for fairly similar contracts.

Not to belabor the point, but I think Marion is sorely underrated on these boards. Only when he is gone from this team will fans realize the things he brought to the table.

Don't get me wrong - Marion can be traded - and very well might need to be for $$ reasons. But that does not diminish the critical roles he fills on the current Suns squad. It will take more then one simple 'Marion for something' trade to fill that gap. It can be done with careful drafting and trading, but it will not be easy.

Welcome to your new job, Mr. Kerr. Don't $%#@ it up.

 

[Muggum]

Lewis gets basically half the rebounds, blocks, and steals that Marion does. And he can't guard anyone. Thumbs down. Camby is ALWAYS hurt. And he didn't do such a great job of stopping the Spurs in the Denver series.

 

[arwillan]

Kurt played the best defense we could ask anyone to play 1-on-1 against tim duncan. the fact that tim still got his isnt that big of a deal, because he does that to everyone that doesnt double him. its like kobe, he will get his but he does that to everyone, so it doesnt have a ton to do with the defender. all you can do is try to make those players work hard for shots, and kurt did just that

 

[azirish]

I listened to the show. They ANNOUNCED that the Suns are interested in Camby. That's nice. It may even be true.

My conclusions

1. During the regular season, Camby would be more useful tha KT because he'd play more. After watching the Nuggets Spurs series, it did not look like Camby was very effective against Duncan since Duncan could back him down. KT kept Duncan from backing him down, but could not stop that turnaround jumper.

2. The extra two years on Camby's contract would be huge for a team that is already well above the LT line.

3. The quickest way to save some LT this coming season would be to renegoiate KT's contract.

4. It is not clear how much the Suns would have to give up in terms of picks to make this deal work, and if so would it give the Suns anything to use to unload contracts?

Bottom line is, that while I'm sure there is interest, I am doubtful there is much else there.

PS. Reggie Evans had zero minutes in the playoffs this year.