Give me ANYTHING, that convinces me that Kolb has more upside than Skelton

[Phrazbit]

The main reason we had no running game is because the Rams played to stop the run and weren't worried about a passing threat. The weird thing is Skelton never made them pay for that but moved the ball when they were expecting pass on the last drive. Then again, about 30 yards of that drive was him running. Teams are going to play the Cards like that until Skelton shows he can make them pay for it. They would do that to any young QB.

I agree, the Rams were putting a lot of guys in the box, but teams have been doing that to us for 2 seasons now. Do you honestly think Beanie looked 100% today? He was basically running in straight lines and doing no cutting at all.

 

[dreamcastrocks]

After 7 weeks what can we say that Whisenhunt does well?

He does not have a single strength to his game.

Fixed that for you.

 

[az240zz]

I think Skelton did great considering that he hasn't seen the field in weeks. He was rusty and it showed. The safeties. I don't know. I don't see that happening again. He forgot what it was like to be running for your life. He pulled through though. That TD to Fitz, Kolb never makes in his wettest dreams. Did anybody see The NFC Playbook show? They showed how Kolb spreads his feet when he throws, making himself shorter. Thus the passes always getting batted down. Skelton on the other hand stands tall and passes over the line. Thus the TD to Fitz.

If anything, it was refreshing to see a guy step up in the pocket. How many times did he turn and run backwards into a defender? I think zero. Kolb, about what, 6 or 7 times a game?

Course there's more than just the 20 mil odd reasons that Kolb will remain our starting QB. Don't forget Fitz's 50 mil odd reasons to resign. After all, if we went into the season with Skelton as QB, do we still even have Fitz?

Wouldn't have bothered me to see Fitz elsewhere if it made the team better.

 

[Totally_Red]

No time to read thru all the threads, but at least Skeleton discovered Andre Roberts. It was almost like discovering gold in California.

More than anything else, this victory belongs to the Cardinal defense, which held the Rams to 9 points. The offense, and especially the run offense, was garbage most of the game.

The defense was gashed occasionally, but held the Rams out of the end-zone and made the critical 3rd and 4th down stops late, when Spagnuolo foolishly turned down the FG.

 

[cardpa]

You are overlooking the "Suck for Luck" factor. PP21 fielded the punt at the one trying to give the Rams the game but the Rams outsmarted us and let Peterson run the punt back for a TD.

 

[cardpa]

No time to read thru all the threads, but at least Skeleton discovered Andre Roberts. It was almost like discovering gold in California.

More than anything else, this victory belongs to the Cardinal defense, which held the Rams to 9 points. The offense, and especially the run offense, was garbage most of the game.

The defense was gashed occasionally, but held the Rams out of the end-zone and made the critical 3rd and 4th down stops late, when Spagnuolo foolishly turned down the FG.

I couldn't understand this decision either. He has one of the better long range kickers in the game with Brown and he tires to convert a 4 and 1 when he could have taken a 3 point lead with less than two minutes left and with the Cardinal offense not being able to do much of anything all game save for one drive and in the NFL almost every team puts together one good drive a game.

 

[cardpa]

Skelton is our Tim Tebow. The devout cult fans always talking about how he's the future create the devout detractors

Man that has been my thought from time to time too. If he is I don't see him as being the long term solution at QB. Tebow will never win consistently in Denver either. Too inconsistent. You can get away with that in college but you are not going to get away with it in the NFL.

 

[Chopper0080]

Chopper you make the trade sound more ridiculous than I did. Why would you trade a pro bowl CB and a 2nd round pick for a QB who is such a poor fit for your system that he almost has to learn how to play QB all over again?

This is actually the area that I give the coaching staff the most heat on, and where they deserve it the most. Why trade for a QB in a shortened off season from a totally different offensive system and not implement concepts from that system so he can have something familiar to fall back on? Carolina has done it with Newton as did Cincy with Dalton. Instead the staff just expected Kolb to rework 3 years of experience in 4 weeks? Pretty stupid in my opinion.

 

[kerouac9]

The main reason we had no running game is because the Rams played to stop the run and weren't worried about a passing threat. The weird thing is Skelton never made them pay for that but moved the ball when they were expecting pass on the last drive. Then again, about 30 yards of that drive was him running. Teams are going to play the Cards like that until Skelton shows he can make them pay for it. They would do that to any young QB.

They've been doing it to Kolb all year. The NFL knows that Kolb can't hit the outlet hot route, just like Anderson, Hall, and Skelton weren't able to do so. There's no real difference between a run blitz and a pass blitz. Teams are loading up on the run against Kolb just as much as they're doing it against Skelton.

The fact remains that there's little space between Kolb and Skelton when it comes to efficiency in this offense. That says less about Skelton than it does about how woefully inadequate Kolb has performed to his salary and draft compensation to this point.

 

[Totally_Red]

They've been doing it to Kolb all year. The NFL knows that Kolb can't hit the outlet hot route, just like Anderson, Hall, and Skelton weren't able to do so. There's no real difference between a run blitz and a pass blitz. Teams are loading up on the run against Kolb just as much as they're doing it against Skelton.

The fact remains that there's little space between Kolb and Skelton when it comes to efficiency in this offense. That says less about Skelton than it does about how woefully inadequate Kolb has performed to his salary and draft compensation to this point.

Anybody catch KK talking on his cell phone on the sideline?

 

[conraddobler]

Anybody catch KK talking on his cell phone on the sideline?

I'm pretty sure that's a walkie talkie he had that let's him hear the playcalls.

 

[conraddobler]

Skelton is our Tim Tebow. The devout cult fans always talking about how he's the future create the devout detractors

I don't think anyone is a devout anything about Skelton.

He's IMO the best QB on the roster right now with the most upside but that's not by MY choice that's just how the FO decisions have panned out.

I wouldn't if I were in charge have drafted him but he's there just the same and so I'm pretty sure he's the best QB on the roster.

That's a long way from being a fan of his, especially since I'd rather draft someone else.

 

[WildBB]

I don't think anyone is a devout anything about Skelton.

He's IMO the best QB on the roster right now with the most upside but that's not by MY choice that's just how the FO decisions have panned out.

I wouldn't if I were in charge have drafted him but he's there just the same and so I'm pretty sure he's the best QB on the roster.

That's a long way from being a fan of his, especially since I'd rather draft someone else.

Hey conrad, what are your impressions of Gabbert so far? And what is making Dalton so effective? Is it mearly the Cinncy D that's so good that's making him look better?

 

[Dback Jon]

No one has still given a reason why Kolb has more upside than Skelton...

 

[crisper57]

I'll say Skelton may have more upside in the long run, but I bet he never gets a chance to reach it.

He wasn't great yesterday, but for a guy coming in and getting his first start of the season, he handled it really well. He is a gamer. I hope Kolb sits next week and gets that turf toe completely healed before rushing back.

I think Skelton can handle another week under center.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

No one has still given a reason why Kolb has more upside than Skelton...

okay, I've gone one upside he has over Skelton: He has more Screw-up[side].

 

[AzStevenCal]

I'll say Skelton may have more upside in the long run, but I bet he never gets a chance to reach it.

He wasn't great yesterday, but for a guy coming in and getting his first start of the season, he handled it really well. He is a gamer. I hope Kolb sits next week and gets that turf toe completely healed before rushing back.

I think Skelton can handle another week under center.

I think we play in Philly next week and it's probably not going to matter who we have under center. Kolb scares me a little more than Skelton does but neither one of them fill me with confidence over our future.

Steve

 

[crisper57]

I think we play in Philly next week and it's probably not going to matter who we have under center. Kolb scares me a little more than Skelton does but neither one of them fill me with confidence over our future.

Steve

Yeah, between those two, I don't think the outcome will change, so I would rather have Kolb get completely healed before resuming his duties.

 

[conraddobler]

Hey conrad, what are your impressions of Gabbert so far? And what is making Dalton so effective? Is it mearly the Cinncy D that's so good that's making him look better?

I haven't seen either of those two play, Gabbert I've followed a little bit because I'm curious about him, he seems to be doing ok, he's got their only two wins in 6 starts but he's faced 4 ridiculously tough defenses, Cincy, Baltimore, Pittsburg and Houston in those 6 games.

His stats aren't great but he has 5 td's to 4 picks, he's barely over 50% in complettion percentage so he's off to a typical rough rookie start.

He's the type of guy though that will fight through that given time.

Dalton from what I know probably is better now and is probably benefiting a lot from a more solid team around him.

 

[seesred]

Skelton showed me something in the second half. The scoring drive was all Skelton. To big time runs and a great throw to Fitz. I do believe that it's Kolbs job to lose. We paid to much but he can throw the rock. But I do man love Skelton. He steps up like a man and most of the times sees the field pretty well. He is big and strong.

Philly has it's own problems and our D played way better gainst a week Rams team. If Kolb can play within himself and our D can hold our own with our new guys, Acho and O'brien we just might have chance.

GBR
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[Cbus cardsfan]

They've been doing it to Kolb all year. The NFL knows that Kolb can't hit the outlet hot route, just like Anderson, Hall, and Skelton weren't able to do so. There's no real difference between a run blitz and a pass blitz. Teams are loading up on the run against Kolb just as much as they're doing it against Skelton.

Thta's just not true. Baltimore did but the Cards surprisingly still ran the ball pretty well.

 

[Duckjake]

Thta's just not true. Baltimore did but the Cards surprisingly still ran the ball pretty well.

More from the Strange But True Department. 3 teams have rushed for over a 100 yards vs the Ravens this season: the Jaguars, Rams and Cards. Teams with a combined 5-19 record.

Not too often these days that you see the Cardinals with more rushing yards than passing.

 

[JeffGollin]

Forget about upside.

Right now my eyes tell me that (a) Skelton is close enough to Kolb in the mental aspects of the game that (b) his better size, stronger arm, more mobility and effectiveness on the move (c) give us a better chance to win than Kevin does.

Til now, the big question-mark was our inability - due to the Lockout and Skelton's high ankle sprain - to figure out how much he had picked up and improved upon since last season.

Two things that leapt out yesterday - (1) the trajectory of his TD pass to Fitz and (2) when he was about to scramble inside left for about 8 yards but instead picked out an open receiver and hit him for a 12-yard 1st down.

Based on what I saw yesterday, I think the answer is that he's improved enough to be better than Kolb - when you consider all aspects of play.

 

[Chopper0080]

No one has still given a reason why Kolb has more upside than Skelton...

I will give yo ua reason after Kolb has had an offseason in our system.

 

[nashman]

Well considering that Kolb has had an entire new offense thrown at him and only a few months to run it, training on the run literally. I would imagine a guy like Skelton who's been here longer and had plenty of practice time in this system would know the system a little better at this point, fact is outside the one TD drive and a few nice throws he wasn't very good either. Think it just shows that our offensive system and coaching and playcalling are still as terrible as it has been all year! Our O line still stinks! 2 freaking safeties in one game really? Without PP 21 and his punt returns this team would be winless right now think about that! Kolb will be fine when/if our genius coach fixes the line and we get a real OC that actually designs an offense around the players we actually have and stop trying to relive the Warner days!