Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

[Russ Smith]

Not many QBs past the 2nd rounder are anything more than average...so IMO it was luck.

Sure but as mao said they made their own luck by making multiple attempts to get the QB.

We didn't do that. We figured it was Kolb. Our other efforts were trading up to get Skelton, and a 6th round Lindley.

We don't have a QB in large part because we didn't make enough effort to get one we assumed we were right about Kolb.

 

[Mulli]

How about we hold off on giving SEA credit for their handling of their QB situation. They are pretty close to being exactly where they were last season.

SEA remaining schedule:

@Bears
Cardinals
@Bills
49ers
Rams

Looks like another mediocre record for Carroll since they have now lost some quite winnable games.

 

[Totally_Red]

Not many QBs past the 2nd rounder are anything more than average...so IMO it was luck.

Not many. Kurt Warner, Tom Brady and Matt Schaub are all that come to mind off the top of my head.

 

[conraddobler]

Sure but as mao said they made their own luck by making multiple attempts to get the QB.

We didn't do that. We figured it was Kolb. Our other efforts were trading up to get Skelton, and a 6th round Lindley.

We don't have a QB in large part because we didn't make enough effort to get one we assumed we were right about Kolb.

Anyone with half a brain would always be looking for the next QB, even if you have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady as your QB your other two QB's should consist of one guy you feel could win right now and the other guy should be a solid prospect for the future.

The trouble with us is we're always wrong about the prospect part and the win right now part.

Kolb wasn't Peyton or Tom, so we more than those teams would need to be absolutely right about the other two, and sadly we're very wrong about at least one of them.

We were wrong about DA and it looks like they were at least somewhat wrong about Kolb too.

That's a ridiculously bad track record, when you couple that with the bad FA track record and the bad track record of getting people who can play O line, then this whole management team the whole lot of them needs fired IMO.

Maybe they were right about Lindley, maybe, that's not enough, it's just not.

 

[Russ Smith]

How about we hold off on giving SEA credit for their handling of their QB situation. They are pretty close to being exactly where they were last season.

SEA remaining schedule:

@Bears
Cardinals
@Bills
49ers
Rams

Looks like another mediocre record for Carroll since they have now lost some quite winnable games.

Sure but Wilson at least looks like a pretty decent QB. Short, but with a great first name he can overcome that.

 

[Russ Smith]

Anyone with half a brain would always be looking for the next QB, even if you have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady as your QB your other two QB's should consist of one guy you feel could win right now and the other guy should be a solid prospect for the future.

The trouble with us is we're always wrong about the prospect part and the win right now part.

Kolb wasn't Peyton or Tom, so we more than those teams would need to be absolutely right about the other two, and sadly we're very wrong about at least one of them.

We were wrong about DA and it looks like they were at least somewhat wrong about Kolb too.

That's a ridiculously bad track record, when you couple that with the bad FA track record and the bad track record of getting people who can play O line, then this whole management team the whole lot of them needs fired IMO.

Maybe they were right about Lindley, maybe, that's not enough, it's just not.

Again I don't think we picked Lindley to be a starter and I don't think we have any intention of him starting NEXT year. They're playing him now because they want to know who next years #3 QB is. My guess is 2 of the 3 guys will be back, I would prefer only 1 but 2 seems likely.

My guess is the scenario will be something like Kolb starts, draft pick(first or second round) is backup, Lindley is #3. Skelton will be a #3 Qb somewhere else.

they came to the conclusion John Skelton is not a starter. He doesn't fit the traditional backup QB role because he starts so slowly in games, you want a guy who can come in cold and make some plays not a guy who needs 10 passes and a prevent defense to "heat up."

 

[kerouac9]

How about we hold off on giving SEA credit for their handling of their QB situation. They are pretty close to being exactly where they were last season.

SEA remaining schedule:

@Bears
Cardinals
@Bills
49ers
Rams

Looks like another mediocre record for Carroll since they have now lost some quite winnable games.

Seattle's 6-5 right now with their entire division road slate ahead of them. The Bills game is on a neutral site (Toronto), indoors IIRC. They could go 3-2 pretty easily over the next month of the season and end up 9-7.

Even if that puts them outside the 6-seed, that's a pretty successful year for a team breaking in a rookie QB.

 

[desertdawg]

Seattle's 6-5 right now with their entire division road slate ahead of them. The Bills game is on a neutral site (Toronto), indoors IIRC. They could go 3-2 pretty easily over the next month of the season and end up 9-7.

Even if that puts them outside the 6-seed, that's a pretty successful year for a team breaking in a rookie QB.

yup

 

[cardpa]

Warner missed one game in 2007, played all 16 in 2008, and missed one more in 2009. Skelton has missed no games due to injury. Meanwhile Kolb probably has missed 20 games in the last three years due to injury.

Not even close.

Kolb coming back at his full salary with those facts is absurdity even with him being the least terrible quarterback on the roster.

I beg to differ, Skelton went down with an ankle injury which is why Kolb took over for him. He missed several games due to injury.

 

[WildBB]

Again I don't think we picked Lindley to be a starter and I don't think we have any intention of him starting NEXT year. They're playing him now because they want to know who next years #3 QB is. My guess is 2 of the 3 guys will be back, I would prefer only 1 but 2 seems likely.

My guess is the scenario will be something like Kolb starts, draft pick(first or second round) is backup, Lindley is #3. Skelton will be a #3 Qb somewhere else.

they came to the conclusion John Skelton is not a starter. He doesn't fit the traditional backup QB role because he starts so slowly in games, you want a guy who can come in cold and make some plays not a guy who needs 10 passes and a prevent defense to "heat up."

Pretty much nailed it.

 

[conraddobler]

Again I don't think we picked Lindley to be a starter and I don't think we have any intention of him starting NEXT year. They're playing him now because they want to know who next years #3 QB is. My guess is 2 of the 3 guys will be back, I would prefer only 1 but 2 seems likely.

My guess is the scenario will be something like Kolb starts, draft pick(first or second round) is backup, Lindley is #3. Skelton will be a #3 Qb somewhere else.

they came to the conclusion John Skelton is not a starter. He doesn't fit the traditional backup QB role because he starts so slowly in games, you want a guy who can come in cold and make some plays not a guy who needs 10 passes and a prevent defense to "heat up."

Kolb as the starter is THE problem, especially behind this line, he's not that durable.

There's so much wrong that it's beyond fixing now IMO, not in a hurry.

We still IMO don't have our QB of the future, this is past the time to have that one down.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

This team has 2 major issues right now when it comes to the QB position. First they don't take enough chances to get the guy they need and I would recommend that they draft 2 QBs next year with the 1st and 4th or 5th pick. The other problem is that they have absolutely no flexibility or creativity in order to help out there QBs. They are unwilling to adjust the offense to what best fits their starting QB's skill sets.

The first of those falls on the front office and the second falls on the Coach and as much as it sucks to have to do we might just have to replace both this year. On the positive side we at least have talent on this team so it is possible that we could have a pretty quick turnaround if we can get the right Coach and front office combo.

 

[Russ Smith]

Kolb as the starter is THE problem, especially behind this line, he's not that durable.

There's so much wrong that it's beyond fixing now IMO, not in a hurry.

We still IMO don't have our QB of the future, this is past the time to have that one down.

Sure but the idea is you draft his replacement. if he's ready right away great, if he's not, start Kolb while getting the rookie ready to come in when Kolb inevitably gets hurt.

The goal next year is to have two Qb's on the roster better than Lindley. My guess is Kolb will be one, the other will be draft pick to be named later.

 

[WildBB]

This team has 2 major issues right now when it comes to the QB position. First they don't take enough chances to get the guy they need and I would recommend that they draft 2 QBs next year with the 1st and 4th or 5th pick. The other problem is that they have absolutely no flexibility or creativity in order to help out there QBs. They are unwilling to adjust the offense to what best fits their starting QB's skill sets.

The first of those falls on the front office and the second falls on the Coach and as much as it sucks to have to do we might just have to replace both this year. On the positive side we at least have talent on this team so it is possible that we could have a pretty quick turnaround if we can get the right Coach and front office combo.

Any idea of who that top 10 QB is likely to be? There is only one likely to be picked top 10.

The rest are mid-late 1sts - 2nd's and 3rd's or beyond.

The system works -

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Any idea of who that top 10 QB is likely to be? There is only one likely to be picked top 10.

The rest are mid-late 1sts - 2nd's and 3rd's or beyond.

The system works -

Who knows before the combine. There will like be 1 or 2 QBs that are currently looking like 2nd or 3rd rounders that might find their way into the 1st round after the combine. Barkley is probably already going in the first and Geno and Wilson are both possible first rounders, but like I said the combine will finish the story on this.

 

[Paso Fino]

You make your own luck. I'd be willing to bet had it been the Cardinals who traded for TJack and Whitehurst we'd still might be starting one of them and would not have drafted Russell Wilson.

And if he had drafted Russell Wilson, he would not played him the way Carroll has and probably would have destroyed his confidence.

 

[kerouac9]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43527/bqbl-ryan-lindley-goes-back-to-back

After that first series, it was like the Rams secondary had a sideline huddle and said, “Guys, he can’t throw deep, and he’s too terrified to go through his progressions. Just jump every route. We will either get a couple TAINTs or Ryan Lindley will torch us with a ton of double moves. If Ryan Lindley torches us with a bunch of double moves, we will all perform ritualistic suicide on the 50-yard line after the game. You with me?” Sure, it seemed like a dramatic proposal at the time, but it worked out...

2 Week Champion of the Grantland Bad Quarterback League. It's only going to get worse. 55% completions, 5.22 YPA, 0 TDs, 4 INTs.

It's really remarkable that some fans' expectations have fallen so low that people are saying, "We really need to see more of this kid."

 

[AzStevenCal]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43527/bqbl-ryan-lindley-goes-back-to-back



2 Week Champion of the Grantland Bad Quarterback League. It's only going to get worse. 55% completions, 5.22 YPA, 0 TDs, 4 INTs.

It's really remarkable that some fans' expectations have fallen so low that people are saying, "We really need to see more of this kid."

I guess there probably are a few fans that want to see more of Lindley because of "low expectations" but not too many I'd wager. I think most of us that want him out there want him out there because he isn't John Skelton. There's also the added advantage of playing him during a wasted year so we can learn whether the guy belongs on an NFL roster next year.

Steve

 

[DoTheDew]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43527/bqbl-ryan-lindley-goes-back-to-back



2 Week Champion of the Grantland Bad Quarterback League. It's only going to get worse. 55% completions, 5.22 YPA, 0 TDs, 4 INTs.

It's really remarkable that some fans' expectations have fallen so low that people are saying, "We really need to see more of this kid."

I've seen enough of all the QBs on our roster, personally. Too bad there's still 5 games left and someone has to go out there. Lindley gives us the best chance to win...the top pick in the draft. Thus he should be out there.

 

[b8rtm8nn]

I guess there probably are a few fans that want to see more of Lindley because of "low expectations" but not too many I'd wager. I think most of us that want him out there want him out there because he isn't John Skelton. There's also the added advantage of playing him during a wasted year so we can learn whether the guy belongs on an NFL roster next year.

Steve

The year wasn't wasted when Whiz pulled Skelton in Atlanta - but after leaving Lindley in the rest of the game and then starting him against the Rams - it is
probably wasted now. The Jets game will ensure a .500 season at best if Kolb is back after that game and we win out.

 

[AzStevenCal]

The year wasn't wasted when Whiz pulled Skelton in Atlanta - but after leaving Lindley in the rest of the game and then starting him against the Rams - it is
probably wasted now. The Jets game will ensure a .500 season at best if Kolb is back after that game and we win out.

I couldn't disagree more. AFAIC, it was a throwaway year from the moment Levi Brown went down and we did nothing to effectively replace him. Anyway, I don't think it's unreasonable to call it a wasted season when you lose 5 games in a row and that's where we were when he yanked Skelton. Not only that, I'd have wagered heavily that we were going to lose that game at the moment prior to bringing in Lindley. The momentum had already turned, we'd failed to capitalize on all those gifts and we certainly weren't going to beat Atlanta with 13 points. And I seriously doubt that we will win out even if Kolb is there for every game. This losing streak started with Kolb behind center.

Steve

 

[Jetstream Green]

I couldn't disagree more. AFAIC, it was a throwaway year from the moment Levi Brown went down and we did nothing to effectively replace him. Anyway, I don't think it's unreasonable to call it a wasted season when you lose 5 games in a row and that's where we were when he yanked Skelton. Not only that, I'd have wagered heavily that we were going to lose that game at the moment prior to bringing in Lindley. The momentum had already turned, we'd failed to capitalize on all those gifts and we certainly weren't going to beat Atlanta with 13 points. And I seriously doubt that we will win out even if Kolb is there for every game. This losing streak started with Kolb behind center.

Steve

This losing streak to me started when Batiste was able to reach new heights of sucktatude unheard of from a vet at his position

 

[AzStevenCal]

This losing streak to me started when Batiste was able to reach new heights of sucktatude unheard of from a vet at his position

Which coincidentally happened when the real refs returned.

Steve

 

[Jetstream Green]

My bad, your right...when Batiste was ALLOWED to reach new heights of sucktatude

 

[Mulli]

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43527/bqbl-ryan-lindley-goes-back-to-back



2 Week Champion of the Grantland Bad Quarterback League. It's only going to get worse. 55% completions, 5.22 YPA, 0 TDs, 4 INTs.

It's really remarkable that some fans' expectations have fallen so low that people are saying, "We really need to see more of this kid."

I miss watching Skelton torch teams deep. Those were the days.