Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

[desertdawg]

Take your rookie and have him throw 40 times in his first start.
Fire whiz already.

Last time I said fire Whiz, someone PM'd me this.

 

[AzStevenCal]

I think Lindley has a better arm and throws with more accuracy. But he's a rookie, and so far doesn't seem to have the ability to throw the touch passes.

Obviously the picksixes were killers but I think his upside is better than Skelton because he's more accurate. Not saying he's our guy but if I can only keep one of those 2 I keep Lindley not Skelton.

Yeah, there's still some hope with Lindley. Fisher threw some different looks at him in the 2nd half and he didn't handle it well but that's not uncommon for a rookie. Let him start the rest of the year (I won't expect Kolb to return until he actually does) and we'll have a better idea whether we need to chase a first round QB or whether we can just let the draft play out with BPA.

Steve

 

[az1965]

I think Lindley has a better arm and throws with more accuracy. But he's a rookie, and so far doesn't seem to have the ability to throw the touch passes.

Obviously the picksixes were killers but I think his upside is better than Skelton because he's more accurate. Not saying he's our guy but if I can only keep one of those 2 I keep Lindley not Skelton.

NONE of his long ones were EVEN close. You can have him throw short passes within 20 yards all you want. He sucks just like Skelton and Kolb suck.

 

[Fiasco]

Lindley rest of season

And it will be obvious to next years coach he's going to get to draft his own QB!

 

[AZ Native]

Leenart may be available.

 

[Russ Smith]

NONE of his long ones were EVEN close. You can have him throw short passes within 20 yards all you want. He sucks just like Skelton and Kolb suck.

Actually 2 of them were just barely overthrown. The one to Fitz that got picked he didn't think Fitz was going deep he was throwing it as if he thought Fitz was going to stop.

He is MUCH more accurate than Skelton the ball if incomplete is at least in the area not high, wide right or wide left or a sinking fastball into the turf.

He clearly played a terrible 2nd half, the Rams mixed it up and he got flustered but compare his first start to Skelton's first start as a rookie.

 

[Buckybird]

Actually 2 of them were just barely overthrown. The one to Fitz that got picked he didn't think Fitz was going deep he was throwing it as if he thought Fitz was going to stop.

He is MUCH more accurate than Skelton the ball if incomplete is at least in the area not high, wide right or wide left or a sinking fastball into the turf.

He clearly played a terrible 2nd half, the Rams mixed it up and he got flustered but compare his first start to Skelton's first start as a rookie.

I agree Russ. But I would still cut both, add a vet backup & try to get Romo or Rivers & if not keep Kolb. We don't have many options & I'm not drafting a QB early just to draft him.

 

[az1965]

Actually 2 of them were just barely overthrown. The one to Fitz that got picked he didn't think Fitz was going deep he was throwing it as if he thought Fitz was going to stop.

He is MUCH more accurate than Skelton the ball if incomplete is at least in the area not high, wide right or wide left or a sinking fastball into the turf.

He clearly played a terrible 2nd half, the Rams mixed it up and he got flustered but compare his first start to Skelton's first start as a rookie.

Even in the first half, he overthrew Larry that could have been a huge gain if not TD. And that throw was not barely missed, it was at least couple of feet high and in front of Larry was running at full speed. Same was the case with either Roberts or Housler, I don't remember who, but the throw was at least 2-3 feet in the front that could also have a resulted a huge gain.

Second half he was pathetic.

And he had real good protection throughout the game. I think we gave up only one sack and QB hits were minimal.

 

[Duckjake]

Actually 2 of them were just barely overthrown. The one to Fitz that got picked he didn't think Fitz was going deep he was throwing it as if he thought Fitz was going to stop.

He is MUCH more accurate than Skelton the ball if incomplete is at least in the area not high, wide right or wide left or a sinking fastball into the turf.

He clearly played a terrible 2nd half, the Rams mixed it up and he got flustered but compare his first start to Skelton's first start as a rookie.

Two major differences: Skelton didn't throw 4 interceptions including 2 pick sixes and the Cards won the game. That was Jay Feely's breakout game for the Cardinals.

 

[machgman]

You keep saying that Lindley is accurate. Are you trying to reassure yourself for your earlier boasts on Lindley and now see them unraveling? Were you watching this game with the picks or just a fantasy gamer version you can orchestrate? Even the commentators were trying to be charitable about Lindley.

Let's see, did Luck, RG3, or Wilson come in with such low performances in their first few games? Lindley may have been a big man on the field in San Diego's lower conference bracket, but up in the NFL where the big boys rule, we now see the reasons why the other teams passed on drafting him.

 

[machgman]

Being a Skelton Hater does not cut it. Did Lindley lead the Cards to a win last week or today? Those are the criteria the NFL goes by, not if one QB is a tab better in style points than another Qb. A miss is still a miss. A pick is still a pick. Next thing we will see is if Skelton every had a four interception game by comparison when all that matters are wins. And Lindley just ain't cutting it, no matter how much lipstick you want on the pig.

 

[Russ Smith]

Two major differences: Skelton didn't throw 4 interceptions including 2 pick sixes and the Cards won the game. That was Jay Feely's breakout game for the Cardinals.

Sure but again, Skelton 15-37 146 yards that's less than 4 ypa. He didn't have any INT's but is anybody really going to suggest Skelton was not an INT prone QB? We won that game huge because Orton was so bad and Denver had SIX turnovers in that game including a fumble for a TD.

Lindley's first NFL start he goes over 300 yards passing, Skelton didn't even top 200 as a rookie in several starts.

The 4 INT's were a killer, one was clearly on Fitz he bobbled it, another hard to say did Lindley throw the wrong route or did Fitz run the wrong pattern. Other 2 clearly on Lindley. He made big mistakes.

If we're picking a #3 QB next year and we have to do it today why take Skelton? Now if Lindley continues to turn the ball over at this rate in future starts that changes but in terms of actually throwing the ball he's way ahead of Skelton at the same point.

Note I'm saying #3 assuming that we either get a proven starter with Kolb or a decent backup, or Kolb is still the starter with a backup with the potential to start when Kolb gets hurt. I'm not in any way saying I want to go into next season with Lindley as the starter.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

I nominate this for "Premature Thread of The Year."

 

[AzStevenCal]

You keep saying that Lindley is accurate. Are you trying to reassure yourself for your earlier boasts on Lindley and now see them unraveling? Were you watching this game with the picks or just a fantasy gamer version you can orchestrate? Even the commentators were trying to be charitable about Lindley.

Let's see, did Luck, RG3, or Wilson come in with such low performances in their first few games? Lindley may have been a big man on the field in San Diego's lower conference bracket, but up in the NFL where the big boys rule, we now see the reasons why the other teams passed on drafting him.

That's an absurd comparison. High picks with a full preseason under the belt vs a late round pick that's been ignored until the middle of the season. He's not as good as any of the players you've mentioned and on top of that, he's had much less chance to develop. He's a long way from being ready for primetime.

Steve

 

[Russ Smith]

You keep saying that Lindley is accurate. Are you trying to reassure yourself for your earlier boasts on Lindley and now see them unraveling? Were you watching this game with the picks or just a fantasy gamer version you can orchestrate? Even the commentators were trying to be charitable about Lindley.

Let's see, did Luck, RG3, or Wilson come in with such low performances in their first few games? Lindley may have been a big man on the field in San Diego's lower conference bracket, but up in the NFL where the big boys rule, we now see the reasons why the other teams passed on drafting him.

You apparently can't read. I didn't say he was accurate I said he was much more accurate than Skelton. Skelton is terrible he doesn't just miss he misses badly over and over. Lindley had the ball in the area of the receiver on most of his throws, Skelton routinely misses guys by 5 yards including the play last week that got him benched.

Who boasted about Lindley I never said a thing about him in the preseason or before the start. I just said at the half he looked a lot better today than he did last week, although it was just one half. He had a terrible 2nd half but he's still MUCH better than Skelton was at the same stage, not even close.

Skelton was under 48% as a rookie and never topped 200 yards passing in 4 starts the last of which was his worst.

 

[Russ Smith]

That's an absurd comparison. High picks with a full preseason under the belt vs a late round pick that's been ignored until the middle of the season. He's not as good as any of the players you've mentioned and on top of that, he's had much less chance to develop. He's a long way from being ready for primetime.

Steve

Not to mention Luck threw for 300 yards and 3 INT's and had 2 more dropped one of which was a picksix for sure. Some of the geniuses here were calling Luck overrated after his debut against the Bears.

Note, I'm in no way putting Lindley in that class, IMO he's our #3 QB next season if we handle the offseason correctly.

But he's far more accurate than Skelton

 

[Russ Smith]

Being a Skelton Hater does not cut it. Did Lindley lead the Cards to a win last week or today? Those are the criteria the NFL goes by, not if one QB is a tab better in style points than another Qb. A miss is still a miss. A pick is still a pick. Next thing we will see is if Skelton every had a four interception game by comparison when all that matters are wins. And Lindley just ain't cutting it, no matter how much lipstick you want on the pig.

I forgot we were winning regularly with Skelton this year right?

Lindley shouldn't be playing now, but he is because Skelton was horrible and apparently wasn't putting in the work to get better. I'd rather see what we have with Lindley and lose than continue to roll Skelton out there unprepared to play week after week because he's apparently not working hard enough.

There's zero upside to starting Skelton anymore he's just not good enough and we have almost 600 passes, most of them errant to go by on that.

 

[desertdawg]

I nominate this for "Premature Thread of The Year."

Yeah, he never even got the little feller out of his pants.

 

[Bodha]

Besides the picks and 4th quarter, I thought he looked good.


Excited to see how he grows with more practice time.

The throws he did make, were the best offense weve had all year.

 

[clif]

Besides the picks and 4th quarter, I thought he looked good.


Excited to see how he grows with more practice time.

The throws he did make, were the best offense weve had all year.

NO! NO! NO! Please don't get suckered into this again! This is what yielded us Skelton as the starter.

 

[desertdawg]

Besides the picks and 4th quarter, I thought he looked good.


Excited to see how he grows with more practice time.

The throws he did make, were the best offense weve had all year.

We say that everytime we see a drive of over 60 yards ending with a TD.

 

[Russ Smith]

NO! NO! NO! Please don't get suckered into this again! This is what yielded us Skelton as the starter.

Exactly, Lindley showed an NFL arm. He is fine as the 3rd QB next season who hopefully gets better, but there's no way you count on him as the starter OR the backup next season.

 

[LoyaltyisaCurse]

Hey Russ, at least we've got some promise from Golden State. Harrison Barnes is quickly becoming my favorite young player.

 

[Duckjake]

Sure but again, Skelton 15-37 146 yards that's less than 4 ypa. He didn't have any INT's but is anybody really going to suggest Skelton was not an INT prone QB? We won that game huge because Orton was so bad and Denver had SIX turnovers in that game including a fumble for a TD.

Lindley's first NFL start he goes over 300 yards passing, Skelton didn't even top 200 as a rookie in several starts.

The 4 INT's were a killer, one was clearly on Fitz he bobbled it, another hard to say did Lindley throw the wrong route or did Fitz run the wrong pattern. Other 2 clearly on Lindley. He made big mistakes.

If we're picking a #3 QB next year and we have to do it today why take Skelton? Now if Lindley continues to turn the ball over at this rate in future starts that changes but in terms of actually throwing the ball he's way ahead of Skelton at the same point.

Note I'm saying #3 assuming that we either get a proven starter with Kolb or a decent backup, or Kolb is still the starter with a backup with the potential to start when Kolb gets hurt. I'm not in any way saying I want to go into next season with Lindley as the starter.

What difference does it make who the #3 QB is? Especially when neither one of them is even remotely NFL talented. I do think there's a certain symmetry to Lindley's completion % so far this season is almost identical to his career completion % in college. 55.55 Cards 55.25 College.

 

[Bodha]

NO! NO! NO! Please don't get suckered into this again! This is what yielded us Skelton as the starter.

Well the alternative is Skelton, so....might as well embrace Lindley.

They both suck, so at least we can say "Hes a rookie!" with Ryan. John has no excuse.