Going to Lindley doesn't look so stupid right now

[desertdawg]

You think Skelton or HobbledKolb is better?

No effing way.

We would have won or loss in dramtic close fashion today with Skelton at the helm, he just has more experience. Once Friendley got all shook up, the Elvis in him left the building. I don't know who will be better (Lindley/Skelton) in the long run but I don't much care.

 

[vinnymac]

Stop making sense.

I wouldn't even have Skelton on the Cards roster next year, add a veteran who can step in if/when Kolb gets hurt if we can't make a trade for Romo or Rivers. We are very limited in our options in 2013 even if Wiz is fired.

Trading for Rivers or Romo is a pipe dream. Those 2 teams will not trade their QB. One reason being that they don't have another qb of their caliber on the roster. Plus those 2 teams are a win now mode.

A possible solution is Alex Smith. He has improved a lot as a QB. Plus the 49ers would want to trade Alex Smith for some extra draft picks. I am all for Alex Smith.

 

[Duckjake]

Because if we're going to be any good next season we need 2 QB's on the roster better than Lindley. Right now we have 1, and he's injured.

So what difference does it make who is the #3 Qb?

Lindley is 3rd string material but at least he's not Skelton
Skelton is worse but at least he's not Max Hall.

Sad Times at Cardinal High.

 

[desertdawg]

Trading for Rivers or Romo is a pipe dream. Those 2 teams will not trade their QB. One reason being that they don't have another qb of their caliber on the roster. Plus those 2 teams are a win now mode.

A possible solution is Alex Smith. He has improved a lot as a QB. Plus the 49ers would want to trade Alex Smith for some extra draft picks. I am all for Alex Smith.

Alex Smith would be a horrible fit for Whiz. All Harbaugh did was 3 things. Dumb it down, run the ball, and give his QB confidence. Whiz can't do any of the 3.

 

[D-Dogg]

Ryan Lindley is garbage. If you're happing losing the next 2 or three MORE football games so that you can confirm that, go ahead. Skelton still gives us the best chance to win.

I'm more interested in winning football games. Still.

Skelton sucks out loud, dude. HORRIFIC QB, has been since jump. He has had some good 4th quarters bolstered by the D or Peterson heroics, or blocked kicks, or whatever. He sucks.

Here's another guy with a big(ger) arm. Accuracy issues (not as bad) and more poise. He's a rook, and does the same crap that Skelton did but better on more occasions. How the hell does skelton still give any "best chance to win?"

Whis may be a stubborn *****, but even he finally bowed down to the fact that Skelton sucks donky dong. And he does a tremendous job gutting it, too. He might have a job in Tijuana when this cardinals gig is done at the end of the year.

 

[CtCardinals78]

History says the chances are better when drafting a QB in rd 1 & preferably high. Look it up.

Yup just look at Super Bowl winners since the '06 season

06 Manning 1st Round
07 Roethlisberger 1st Round
08 Eli Manning 1st Round
09 Roethlisberger 1st Round
10. Brees 2nd Round
11 Rogers 1st round
12. Eli Manning 1st round

You have to go back to 2005 to find a SB champ who wasn't a top two round pick and that's Tom Brady. For every fifth round pick like Brady who become a star, even an adequate QB there are 15 John Skeltons. You need a QB early. And no more castoffs!!!

 

[Duckjake]

Sounds like the same stupid discussions we had about Kolb and Skelton last season when Kolb was running into sacks and the Cards were losing 6 in a row.

That the only thing we have to look for the rest of the season is that Lindley can improve unlike any other QB we've had since Warner retired really sucks.

 

[MaoTosiFanClub]

You think Skelton or HobbledKolb is better?

No effing way.

Probably, but none of them are even worth arguing about. Plus none will be on the roster next year.

Draft a kid in the top 10 or trade for Romo or Rivers. If not UoP will be an absolute graveyard in 2013 with me adding to those empty seats.

 

[WildBB]

Yup just look at Super Bowl winners since the '06 season

06 Manning 1st Round
07 Roethlisberger 1st Round
08 Eli Manning 1st Round
09 Roethlisberger 1st Round
10. Brees 2nd Round
11 Rogers 1st round
12. Eli Manning 1st round

You have to go back to 2005 to find a SB champ who wasn't a top two round pick and that's Tom Brady. For every fifth round pick like Brady who become a star, even an adequate QB there are 15 John Skeltons. You need a QB early. And no more castoffs!!!

For every Manning, Roethlisberger or Rogers and Brees, there are dozens of Sanchez's, Leinart's, Young's...ect.ect.

 

[Buckybird]

For every Manning, Roethlisberger or Rogers and Brees, there are dozens of Sanchez's, Leinart's, Young's...ect.ect.

But for every Brady there are 200 Skeltons, 200 Lindleys, 200 Stoney Cases, etc. About the only chance to have a franchise QB is to draft him in the 1st & early!!! It's just the reality of it.

 

[Cheesebeef]

For every Manning, Roethlisberger or Rogers and Brees, there are dozens of Sanchez's, Leinart's, Young's...ect.ect.

12 of 14 teams with winning records have 1st or 2nd round QBs. That just isn't a coincidence.

the teams that are consistently contenders:

Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Indy, Bears, Packers, Falcons and NE... 7 of the 8 QBs were taken in the first round. That also is not a coincidence.

 

[Paso Fino]

Reading all the Skelton haters posting here, I wonder if I saw the same game they did. Why talk about Skelton when Lindley obviously was out of his league thanks to a stupid decision by Whiz to start him.
I must have missed the bad throws by Skelton today.

 

[Buckybird]

12 of 14 teams with winning records have 1st or 2nd round QBs. That just isn't a coincidence.

the teams that are consistently contenders:

Giants, Ravens, Steelers, Indy, Bears, Packers, Falcons and NE... 7 of the 8 QBs were taken in the first round. That also is not a coincidence.

Thanks cheese! Peeps think you can cheat the system & you really can't. To get good you basically have to suck pretty bad, but we rarely suck bad enough!!!

How can a team that has the poor history that we do, never has had the #1 pick?

 

[Buckybird]

Reading all the Skelton haters posting here, I wonder if I saw the same game they did. Why talk about Skelton when Lindley obviously was out of his league thanks to a stupid decision by Whiz to start him.
I must have missed the bad throws by Skelton today.

Yeah like we haven't seen the same crap from Skelton for like 20'games now. next guy up...move on!!!

 

[D-Dogg]

Probably, but none of them are even worth arguing about. Plus none will be on the roster next year.

Draft a kid in the top 10 or trade for Romo or Rivers. If not UoP will be an absolute graveyard in 2013 with me adding to those empty seats.

Lindley will certainly be on the roster in 2013.

 

[D-Dogg]

We would have won or loss in dramtic close fashion today with Skelton at the helm, he just has more experience. Once Friendley got all shook up, the Elvis in him left the building. I don't know who will be better (Lindley/Skelton) in the long run but I don't much care.

skelton has a deft approach at throwing pick sixes. The thing he can't do though is move the chains.

Sorry. Lindley is better. By a mile.

 

[Duckjake]

Thanks cheese! Peeps think you can cheat the system & you really can't. To get good you basically have to suck pretty bad, but we rarely suck bad enough!!!

How can a team that has the poor history that we do, never has had the #1 pick?

Because we'd blow it.

We'd have taken a JaMarcus Russell or Tim Couch or Ryan Leaf.

 

[desertdawg]

skelton has a deft approach at throwing pick sixes. The thing he can't do though is move the chains.

Sorry. Lindley is better. By a mile.

I haven't seen enough of Lindley to make that call. Neither one of them are even a .500 QB here playing for Whiz. Both have looked good at times, but both look crappy most of the times. But in different ways at least.

 

[D-Dogg]

Reading all the Skelton haters posting here, I wonder if I saw the same game they did. Why talk about Skelton when Lindley obviously was out of his league thanks to a stupid decision by Whiz to start him.
I must have missed the bad throws by Skelton today.

You missed them because the doof threw all of them in the rest of the season.

Today, a guy actually hit his receivers more often than he didn't, hit them in stride quite often, and made rookie mistakes leading to scores. Because, you know, he's a rookie...not a third year doof playing like a rookie.

 

[Buckybird]

Because we'd blow it.

We'd have taken a JaMarcus Russell or Tim Couch or Ryan Leaf.

I'd luv to get the chance!

 

[clif]

I'll say it again. What Lindsey did in the first half was fool's gold. The Rams rocked him to sleep. They let him throw short until they pounced. It was brilliant. The rams made two plays on offense and won by two touchdowns.

We will now watch whiz give him the kiss of death and he will promptly blow it as we waste another year or two figuring out what scouts already knew. He sucks!


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[Cbus cardsfan]

Trading for Rivers or Romo is a pipe dream. Those 2 teams will not trade their QB. One reason being that they don't have another qb of their caliber on the roster. Plus those 2 teams are a win now mode.

A possible solution is Alex Smith. He has improved a lot as a QB. Plus the 49ers would want to trade Alex Smith for some extra draft picks. I am all for Alex Smith.

SD will be in a re-build mode come this offseason and what better way to re-build than opening up the cap space by trading Rivers and acquiring young talent through added draft picks.

Denver traded Cutler when they didn't have another QB of his caliber on their roster. They received Orton in return but he's not the same caliber of QB. Also, Cutler was much younger than Rivers.

Rivers would also satisfy the first round draft pick criteria being mentioned.

 

[D-Dogg]

I'll say it again.

Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

Did the rest of the NFL rock Skelton to sleep? Because he looked WORSE, and is in his third year.

 

[clif]

D-dogg why do you keep mentioning Skelton? You keep telling me how much worst he is than Lindley. I don't want either one of them. Lindley has shown more promise than Skelton, but I never liked either. They are basically the same guy to me. Whiz likes overachievers. Too bad they usually flash promise then suck terribly. I never had high hopes for Skelton.


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[Russ Smith]

I read the whole thread before I replied. You decided to take a victory lap right before Ryan Lindley went into the tank in a huge way. Nicely done. Lindley "feasted" with short throws against prevent defenses in the first half--just like you assert that Skelton did/does. The Rams turned up the heat once they saw what Lindley was doing, and he quickly turned into Max Hall--another guy you defended until it was beyond clear was garbage.

Good work on these two.

And now you're backtracking so hard that you're saying, "All I meant was that Lindley is secure as the #3 QB in the NFL after this performance." Whatever, Russ.

Missing a TD with a 10-point lead = Getting benched.
Throwing 4 INTs = Coach's confidence, because you called a timeout when the playclock was running down.

If you're ready to move on from Skelton because you've decided that you've seen enough, fine. But don't make the argument that Lindley gives us a better chance to win football games. I look forward to hearing you admit this in two or three weeks when it becomes impossible to argue otherwise.

Ryan Lindley is garbage. If you're happing losing the next 2 or three MORE football games so that you can confirm that, go ahead. Skelton still gives us the best chance to win.

I'm more interested in winning football games. Still.

How many games did we win with Skelton this year? Does zero sound right?

I didn't say Lindley would give us a better chance to win, stop putting words in my mouth. I said going to him doesn't look so stupid now because in his FIRST start, he's already better than Skelton was as a rookie. THere's zero upside to playing Skelton.

I never once said Lindley should be the starter NEXT year, I just said after today it's apparent why Ben decided to start him THIS season. Because he knows what he has in Skelton and wants to see what he has in Lindley.

I don't think Lindley is a starter I said that repeatedly in the preseason, but he's a potential #3 next season who can eventually be a #2 possibly. Skelton is terrible, and the problem is Skelton has played too much he's already admitted he's "very frustrated" that he got benched.

The Rams were in prevent in the first half?

And while we're calling people out boy that Darryl Washington is a scrub we should move him to safety right?

I've admitted repeatedly I was wrong about Hall, I haven't one said Lindley is a future starter but he SHOULD be starting now. If Kolb can go next week start him, if he can't why in the world would we start Skelton?