Graves Not Opposed To Giving Up High 2012 Draft Pick For QB

[Gee!]

Kolb?

http://arizonasports.com/category/c...d-give-up-first-round-pick-for-a-quarterback/

 

[binkar]

I am starting to think we will land Kolb. We will trade next years first to do it.

 

[desertdawg]

Kolb?

http://arizonasports.com/category/c...d-give-up-first-round-pick-for-a-quarterback/

I think it's Kolb amigo.

 

[john h]

Kolb?

http://arizonasports.com/category/c...d-give-up-first-round-pick-for-a-quarterback/

We could end up with the #1 or #2 pick next year. Graves would be a complete idiot to give up a #1 for Kolb plus have to pay him a large salary and likely a long contract. That just makes no sense what so ever. If there is some QB that is a starter that some team for what ever reason may want to trade then it would depend who that person might be. No one on my radar fits a trade for our #1 pick next year. I prefer to stand pat, sign the best we can in FA without giving up picks and go for broke next season.

 

[desertdawg]

We could end up with the #1 or #2 pick next year. Graves would be a complete idiot to give up a #1 for Kolb plus have to pay him a large salary and likely a long contract. That just makes no sense what so ever. If there is some QB that is a starter that some team for what ever reason may want to trade then it would depend who that person might be. No one on my radar fits a trade for our #1 pick next year. I prefer to stand pat, sign the best we can in FA without giving up picks and go for broke next season.

Never ever going to happen, and neither is Luck, Whiz would be fired with the season it would take to get Luck. Luck will never be a Cardinal. Whiz wants to right the ship, we will at least have a better season than last year=no Luck.

 

[Gee!]

We could end up with the #1 or #2 pick next year. Graves would be a complete idiot to give up a #1 for Kolb plus have to pay him a large salary and likely a long contract. That just makes no sense what so ever. If there is some QB that is a starter that some team for what ever reason may want to trade then it would depend who that person might be. No one on my radar fits a trade for our #1 pick next year. I prefer to stand pat, sign the best we can in FA without giving up picks and go for broke next season.

Or we could get some sub par QB (Orton for example) and wind up with a mediocore record draft around #10 and lose out on Luck.. Then we'll have no real QB and Fitz could be gone... If you have a guy targeted that you think can help you win, you dont hope you can get the top draft pick the next year.. You go get the guy to win now..

 

[slinslin]

Still Kolb is not worth a first round pick in my opinion.

Who says Kolb isn't subpar? Then we will end up with a terrible season and no first round pick at all.

 

[Dougmo]

I know these guys are QB's, they're in short supply and you can't win without one (as we all saw last year) but I'd have a real hard time giving up a 1 for any of the players I'm aware of.
I'm not sure I'd give up a 2.
I'd probably be willing to give up a 3rd for Orton, Palmer or Kolb.

That said, I'm not as out on Bulger as most seem to be. I think he could be an above average 2 year bridge, and get us to the playoffs.

If he could survive that is.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Still Kolb is not worth a first round pick in my opinion.

Who says Kolb isn't subpar? Then we will end up with a terrible season and no first round pick at all.

Amen. Do people honestly think he's a top 15 qb? I don't even know if he has the potential to be one. He's not young, has only been successful in an Andy Reed system, will command a huge salary and a first round pick as well? No thanks, I'd rather go with Alex Smith, Bulger, or even Orton.

 

[Pariah]

He's not young, has only been successful in an Andy Reed system, will command a huge salary and a first round pick as well?

Huh? He IS young. He's been in the league, what? 3 years?

And, you could also say that he's been successful in EVERY system he's been in. He was good enough in college to be a 2nd round pick and he played well enough in the NFL that the Eagles got rid of McNabb so that he could start.

I'm not sold on the idea of trading a first for him, but I can understand the thinking behind it. Taking a QB in the first is more of a gamble than trading for a guy that's already shown he can do it.

 

[Zeno]

Amen. Do people honestly think he's a top 15 qb? I don't even know if he has the potential to be one. He's not young, has only been successful in an Andy Reed system, will command a huge salary and a first round pick as well? No thanks, I'd rather go with Alex Smith, Bulger, or even Orton.

There are arguments for most of your points but...

Not young? The guy is 26 yrs old! 27 when the season starts, thats hardly over the hill for a QB. Bulger is 34--that is "not young".

FYI both Cassel & Schaub were traded at the age of 26 as well.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Huh? He IS young. He's been in the league, what? 3 years?

He'll be 27 once the season starts. I don't consider that very young, and he has very little starting experience.

And, you could also say that he's been successful in EVERY system he's been in. He was good enough in college to be a 2nd round pick and he played well enough in the NFL that the Eagles got rid of McNabb so that he could start.

You could, but using every for one example, especially when the one example (Andy Reid offense) has consistently led to failures outside the system is troublesome. Further, McNabb is done, as you saw last year. That's why they got rid of him.

Successful? I guess our definitions would be a little different in terms of success. He was what, 2-3 with a team that Vick led to an 8-3 record? I just don't think he's shown anything except for a little potential, and considering his past performance, his propensity for concussions, and the cost it would take to get him, I don't see the value.

Taking a QB in the first is more of a gamble than trading for a guy that's already shown he can do it.

Agree with your idea in principle, just don't think Kolb has proven he can do it.

 

[john h]

Never ever going to happen, and neither is Luck, Whiz would be fired with the season it would take to get Luck. Luck will never be a Cardinal. Whiz wants to right the ship, we will at least have a better season than last year=no Luck.

Never say never. It is not off the table that Skelton could be our QB this year. We finished last in 2010 in our division. I predict we finish with no better than an 8/8 this year and possible 6/10 or 5/11. If our starting QB were to get injured we are not likely to have a very good backup. The ball can bounce strange ways. Then again we could win 10 games. Only time will tell.

 

[Shane]

Or we could get some sub par QB (Orton for example) and wind up with a mediocore record draft around #10 and lose out on Luck.. Then we'll have no real QB and Fitz could be gone... If you have a guy targeted that you think can help you win, you dont hope you can get the top draft pick the next year.. You go get the guy to win now..

Yup. If you have a guy out there that you truly believe is a "franchise" QB and you have the ability to attain him? You make that move.

A first round is a high pick. But if that QB turns out to be what you wanted you will be set for a decade at the most important position on the field. Well worth a first rounder(or DRC but not both).

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Not young? The guy is 26 yrs old! 27 when the season starts, thats hardly over the hill for a QB. Bulger is 34--that is "not young".

True, I'm not geeked about Bulger either, but he won't cost a potential top 10 draft pick and a massive contract either.

FYI both Cassel & Schaub were traded at the age of 26 as well.

And Cassel has had one decent season, and one pretty bad one, and only cost a 2nd round pick.

Schaub has been good, but hasn't led his team to the playoffs once.

I'm not saying there is any easy fix, and I realize that we'll be in a tough spot until we find a QB. I'm just not that impressed with Kolb, and think we're giving up too much to acquire him.

 

[john h]

Never ever going to happen, and neither is Luck, Whiz would be fired with the season it would take to get Luck. Luck will never be a Cardinal. Whiz wants to right the ship, we will at least have a better season than last year=no Luck.

Luck may not even be the best QB next year. He could break a leg. The higher your pick the better your chance of getting a good QB next year which I have to think will be at the top of our needs list. Barring Kolb we are not going to be signing any youngster this year so it is likely we will still be looking for the QBOTF next year.

 

[Shane]

True, I'm not geeked about Bulger either, but he won't cost a potential top 10 draft pick and a massive contract either.



And Cassel has had one decent season, and one pretty bad one, and only cost a 2nd round pick.

Schaub has been good, but hasn't led his team to the playoffs once.

I'm not saying there is any easy fix, and I realize that we'll be in a tough spot until we find a QB. I'm just not that impressed with Kolb, and think we're giving up too much to acquire him.

Not Schaub's fault the texans cant field a damn defense and are in the same division as the Colts. Big picture my friend.

Cassell has had more then one good season in this league. He has had two pro bowl caliber seasons with 2 different teams.

 

[seesred]

I would have no problem trading a number 1 for a QB that can play the next 4-6 years. Palmer is my favorite at this moment. At 31 he can give you 4-6 years if he stays healthy. He has proven that he is a winner. Kolb on the other hand is younger with much less play time a 1 would be harder to give away for him, considering he was a 2nd rd pick in the first place.

Not a big fan of the ageing Hasselback or Bulger. Orton has some talent but he has fallen with the other options coming open. It's only mute because of the no rush to open up the teams for training. Have you felt the same as me that the NFL is NOT in a hurry to get this thing done!

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[Zeno]

Yup. If you have a guy out there that you truly believe is a "franchise" QB and you have the ability to attain him? You make that move.

A first round is a high pick. But if that QB turns out to be what you wanted you will be set for a decade at the most important position on the field. Well worth a first rounder(or DRC but not both).

On the flip side if the guy turns out to not be the right guy it could hurt the franchise for years and cost people their jobs. It is a huge gamble...but could be worth it.

 

[Shane]

On the flip side if the guy turns out to not be the right guy it could hurt the franchise for years and cost people their jobs. It is a huge gamble...but could be worth it.

No different than the gamble of drafting a rook in that spot next year. Yet instead of waiting for the growing pains Kolbs immediate impact and 3 years in the league should make us more ready to win now.

 

[john h]

Or we could get some sub par QB (Orton for example) and wind up with a mediocore record draft around #10 and lose out on Luck.. Then we'll have no real QB and Fitz could be gone... If you have a guy targeted that you think can help you win, you dont hope you can get the top draft pick the next year.. You go get the guy to win now..

Apparaently some teams thought Newton & Gabbert were worthy of being a QBOTF this year. Actually 4 QBs went in the first round so teams must have thought highly of them. Out of all the QBs selected in the first two rounds my sense is that at least one will be a very good NFL QB. All these teams cannot be idiots. At least I hope not. I am happy with our fist round pick but still thought we should have taken a look at QB with our 2nd or even Mallet in the third. This is why we ended up with a grade of C or D in drafting for a need but a much higher grade for value. The age old argument of drafting for need vs BPA rages on as it has forever. Your need is very easy to know. The BPA can always be argued.

 

[Zeno]

No different than the gamble of drafting a rook in that spot next year. Yet instead of waiting for the growing pains Kolbs immediate impact and 3 years in the league should make us more ready to win now.

Fans and ownership tend to be more patient with rookies. If Kolb doesn't give us that immediate impact it will hurt the franchise. I am just being devils advocate here anyway...Kolb isn't my first choice but I can completely understand if the franchise goes that direction and will give them credit for trying to fix a HUGE problem on this team (Palmer is my first choice--Kolb a distant second).

 

[Shane]

Fans and ownership tend to be more patient with rookies. If Kolb doesn't give us that immediate impact it will hurt the franchise. I am just being devils advocate here anyway...Kolb isn't my first choice but I can completely understand if the franchise goes that direction and will give them credit for trying to fix a HUGE problem on this team (Palmer is my first choice--Kolb a distant second).

True. However if I have the choice of being able to get what I want now with quicker results and less growing pains I will pick it every time. Its a now league.

 

[Stout]

I certainly do not want to trade a future #1 for Kolb. I don't think he's worth it.

 

[BigRedFan]

I'm glad they didn't reach for a QB in the draft; if a QB isnt expected to be franchise material, best to just pass and go with best value. Although I would have rather as someone else mentioned to have go with the top tight end in 2 and LB in round 3, or flip these.