Hawks @ Suns 1/13/09

[jagu]

I think the Suns should play Dudley more. He isn't garbage and he plays good D. Let him get some minutes too.

 

[atikiN]

Doubt it. This team cant handle a player like Amare. Amare will be gone after next year and if put in a decent situation, will prove the stupidity of most of you idiots.

He is put on a team with Shaq and Nash. Look at the two superstars that previously played with those two. Both got better after they left because they were allowed to lead.

Amare keeps his mouth shut. He is great in this community. He works his ass off to become a better player. He is the 1 player who has had to change his game most because of Shaq and other moves. BUt nothing will be good enough for imbiciles like you.

First you bitch about name calling then you call most of the posters here idiots and imbeciles... You're a special one.

Talking to you any further is pointless. Your love affair with Amare is matched only by Andrews with Shaq.

 

[Blackification]

Thank you.

This team has a ton of flaws. Every single player on this team, HAS A LOT OF FLAWS. I guess no one else saw Jason Richardson getting absolutely taken to town by RONALD FREAKIN MURRAY? No one else noticed him yell "Ole!" as he opened up the baseline for Flip to drive by and dunk?

Amare gets it the worst, but Barbosa is right there with him when he doesn't play well. It gets really old, really fast.

I feel bad for Nash, J-Rich, and Amare, all of those guys on the defensive end. They're just bad defenders, but they have the misfortune of playing on a team full of other bad defenders (outside of Hill who amazes me every night), and they are obviously just TERRBILY coached on that end, especially at the end of games, and it makes them look even worse.

If Amare played for the Hornets you wouldn't hear a thing about him, or for the Jazz, just like you don't hear anything about Boozer or West even though both of those guys are just monstrously bad defenders. And West is much more pathetic on the boards than Amare somehow.

Agreed, Barbosa, Amare, and Porter just get bashed constantly every game thread and the other 10 or 15 comments are actually positive and good about whats really going on in the game.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Amare keeps his mouth shut.

in what universe? He's talked about wanting to be the man and needing more touches off the court and has the most Ts/ejections on the court. If anything, the kid needs to learn HOW to keep his mouth shut because unless you're gonna walk the walk, you're just gonna like foolish talking the talk.

He works his ass off to become a better player.

how so? His defense is still below average, his rebounding is down this year and his assist/turnover ratio is worse than last year... oh yeah, and his shooting percentage's down this year. But yeah, he sure has worked his ass off to become a better player.

BUt nothing will be good enough for imbiciles like you.

why do you take criticisms of someone who has no relation to you whatsover so personally dude? It just wreaks of complete and utter stupidity on your part... but then, so does pretty much everything you say!

 

[dodie53]

wow.
suns win again,
too bad Hortford didn't play.

go suns!

 

[Mainstreet]

Amare was supposed to be the Suns dominant big man. However, Shaq has taken over this role. It's easy to see why many fans are disappointed. I just don't see Amare becoming a good defender or a good rebounder. He needs to have these skills along with scoring to become what most fans envisioned.

 

[SirStefan32]

First you bitch about name calling then you call most of the posters here idiots and imbeciles... You're a special one.

Talking to you any further is pointless. Your love affair with Amare is matched only by Andrews with Shaq.

Well, to be fair, he called us "imbiciles" not "imbeciles"

 

[Cheesebeef]

I think you're right. I just hate the fact that he has the ability to be the best power forward in the history of the league, but his heart just isn't in it. If Amare would put half as much effort into defense and rebounding as Barnes or Amundson do, he would be THE best player in the league.

I want him to be the MVP, I want him to be up there with Kobe, Lebron, DHoward and Wade. I know he can do it, and it just kills me when I watch him put no effort into defense and rebounding.

I don't know why you think he can do it. He simply doesn't have the bball IQ that those guy have, and truth be told, he doesn't have their heart... and in the case of Bron, Howard and Wade, their ridiculous athleticism. He used to and AMAZED with ridiculous explosiveness and continued to get better and better to the point that I really believed he was going to be the best PF ever, but those knee surgeries robbed him of that "other worldly" athleticism and what we're seeing now, more and more, is that that is what made him so special. He was the fastest, quickest, most explosive big man in the game and now he's just another really athletic big man with a solid jumper... and nothing else.

 

[atikiN]

This team has a ton of flaws. Every single player on this team, HAS A LOT OF FLAWS. I guess no one else saw Jason Richardson getting absolutely taken to town by RONALD FREAKIN MURRAY? No one else noticed him yell "Ole!" as he opened up the baseline for Flip to drive by and dunk?

And when I suggested of putting LB in for JRich, the genius Bayless2Budinger called me a "fickle fan".

Amare gets it the worst, but Barbosa is right there with him when he doesn't play well. It gets really old, really fast.

The difference is LB doesn't talk about being "The Man" and doesn't complain about not being an MVP. I always come to LB's defense since he knows how to shut up and play, something Amare has yet to master.

I feel bad for Nash, J-Rich, and Amare, all of those guys on the defensive end. They're just bad defenders, but they have the misfortune of playing on a team full of other bad defenders

Again only 1 of the three mentioned runs his mouth instead of letting his game do the talking.

 

[cly2tw]

in what universe? He's talked about wanting to be the man and needing more touches off the court and has the most Ts/ejections on the court. If anything, the kid needs to learn HOW to keep his mouth shut because unless you're gonna walk the walk, you're just gonna like foolish talking the talk.



how so? His defense is still below average, his rebounding is down this year and his assist/turnover ratio is worse than last year... oh yeah, and his shooting percentage's down this year. But yeah, he sure has worked his ass off to become a better player.



why do you take criticisms of someone who has no relation to you whatsover so personally dude? It just wreaks of complete and utter stupidity on your part... but then, so does pretty much everything you say!

Yet, most successful offensive plays in crunch time involve Amare in one or another form on this team. they finally went away from a tired Shaq in the end and went to Nash-Amare and bang they got the game nailed. who cares whether he gave up a couple off. reb. on the other end when we were winning!

 

[SirStefan32]

Did anyone else think that Amare picked up his 4th foul intentionally?

 

[atikiN]

Well, to be fair, he called us "imbiciles" not "imbeciles"

Haha, my mistake. I'm no longer insulted

 

[atikiN]

Yet, most successful offensive plays in crunch time involve Amare in one or another form on this team. they finally went away from a tired Shaq in the end and went to Nash-Amare and bang they got the game nailed. who cares whether he gave up a couple off. reb. on the other end when we were winning!

Like the successful offensive plays vs the Spurs and Timmy "5 Fouls" Duncan?

 

[cly2tw]

The difference is LB doesn't talk about being "The Man" and doesn't complain about not being an MVP. I always come to LB's defense since he knows how to shut up and play, something Amare has yet to master.

Again only 1 of the three mentioned runs his mouth instead of letting his game do the talking.

Why should how anybody talks affects how you evaluate his game and his value to the team? Should we just sit him because he talked so big that your assessment of his value to the team went so down?

We'd have lost the game if not for his play late in the crunch time. Deal with that when bashing him.

 

[Chaplin]

Did anyone else think that Amare picked up his 4th foul intentionally?

Of course not. He was pissed about his 3rd foul and was over-aggressive.

I don't think Amare is infallible, but I don't think he's a waste of space like most of the people on this thread. I mean, intentional? Come on!

I personally thought he did well defensively early in the game and did a good job playing defense without fouling out late in the 4th.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Yet, most successful offensive plays in crunch time involve Amare in one or another form on this team. they finally went away from a tired Shaq in the end and went to Nash-Amare and bang they got the game nailed. who cares whether he gave up a couple off. reb. on the other end when we were winning!

here's my bottom line. Defense wins titles. And Amare just flat out doesn't play on that side of the court... and he's unclutch more often than not on the other side of the court... bad combo for the guy who "wants to be the man!"

 

[Cheesebeef]

Why should how anybody talks affects how you evaluate his game and his value to the team? Should we just sit him because he talked so big that your assessment of his value to the team went so down?

We'd have lost the game if not for his play late in the crunch time. Deal with that when bashing him.

and we probably would have put the game away a lot earlier if he wasn't giving up offensive rebounds and getting in foul trouble and not hustling for loose balls all night long. no game comes down to just one play at the end. Amare just gives half-hearted effort what seems like at least 30% of games. That PATHETIC from our best player.

 

[Blackification]

Lol and the man comments are still going.. even though they are months old when the team was a complete mess.

Also, Amar'e isn't the only one who needs to just shut his mouth and play, some of the fans need to shut theirs and watch because I feel it to be hypocritical to speak your mind when you are unhappy and then tell someone else to stop speaking theirs when they are unhappy.

 

[cly2tw]

Like the successful offensive plays vs the Spurs and Timmy "5 Fouls" Duncan?

Going by numbers, the offense were mostly inept without involving him. That's a fact. Failure from time to time is part of the statistics. So, what's your point? Would you ask that we ignore him on offense because he failed once, or what?

 

[SirStefan32]

I don't know why you think he can do it. He simply doesn't have the bball IQ that those guy have, and truth be told, he doesn't have their heart... and in the case of Bron, Howard and Wade, their ridiculous athleticism. He used to and AMAZED with ridiculous explosiveness and continued to get better and better to the point that I really believed he was going to be the best PF ever, but those knee surgeries robbed him of that "other worldly" athleticism and what we're seeing now, more and more, is that that is what made him so special. He was the fastest, quickest, most explosive big man in the game and now he's just another really athletic big man with a solid jumper... and nothing else.

I believe it in part because every once in a while he will have a 2 minutes of incredibly good defense and blocking out, and in part because I am a homer, and I want him to be the best.

You are right about athleticism though. I kinda forgot how insanely athletic he was until I watched couple of Suns games from a few years ago when they were on NBA TV. He was really a freak of nature.

You are also right about basketball IQ, though I must admit that he's been getting better. Just tonight he picked up 2 assists in situations where he would have picked up 2 offensive fouls by charging right into people. He has no heart though- NONE.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Of course not. He was pissed about his 3rd foul and was over-aggressive.

I don't think Amare is infallible, but I don't think he's a waste of space like most of the people on this thread. I mean, intentional? Come on!

who's saying he's a waste of space? Oh yeah, no one, but i guess in Chap's black and white world of hyperbole only, a criticism of a guy who's super talented but frustrating the hell out of you is a waste of space.

 

[Mainstreet]

Besides LB the Suns bench is not looking as solid as it did earlier in the season. I think Barnes' erratic play is a big reason. It especially shows when Grant Hill is not putting up double figure points.

 

[Covert Rain]

Of course not. He was pissed about his 3rd foul and was over-aggressive.

I don't think Amare is infallible, but I don't think he's a waste of space like most of the people on this thread. I mean, intentional? Come on!

I personally thought he did well defensively early in the game and did a good job playing defense without fouling out late in the 4th.

I am with you. Amare is just the current fad. He statistically is playing much better defense this year and despite a few lapses, I thought he played good defense for most of the stretches.

Amare's defense is not what bothered me in this game. It's his inability to do anything around the rim other then dunk sometimes.

 

[Chaplin]

who's saying he's a waste of space? Oh yeah, no one, but i guess in Chap's black and white world of hyperbole only, a criticism of a guy who's super talented but frustrating the hell out of you is a waste of space.

Wanna get personal? Take it to PM.

 

[Cheesebeef]

I believe it in part because every once in a while he will have a 2 minutes of incredibly good defense and blocking out, and in part because I am a homer, and I want him to be the best.

you believe it because every once in a while, he has a great 2 minute stretch. I love ya Stef, but man, denial just ain't a river in Egypt!

You are right about athleticism though. I kinda forgot how insanely athletic he was until I watched couple of Suns games from a few years ago when they were on NBA TV. He was really a freak of nature.

yup - dude was on LeBron's ridiculous level. It made him unstoppable, which is why I always found it dumbfounding that people here thought he was better after the surgeries than he was before it. I guess I can write that denial river thing again here, but what's the point? I'd rather go back to the Cards board where I can go crazy and not have to read such hyperbolic statements from Chap and Bayless2Buddinger.