Henry/Shelton deal Dead, Clement on Market

[CardinalLaw]

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March 1, 2005
Tackle market
L.J. Shelton isn't the only Cardinals tackle on the market. While the Cardinals want a second-round choice for Shelton, a left tackle, they would like a third- or fourth-rounder for Anthony Clement. The Cardinals realize Clement's trade market won't heat up until after the free agent tackles are signed. Once that happens, though, Clement could become an attractive commodity because he is a physical run-blocking right tackle. March 1, 2005
Regarding Henry
The Cardinals no longer have interest in Bills halfback Travis Henry. They seriously considered trading tackle L.J. Shelton to Buffalo for Henry, but they have changed their minds for two reasons. First, they see a great crop of running backs available in the draft. Second, they wanted Henry to play out the final year of his contract before giving him a big contract extension. Henry preferred to get his money now, and that's not a sell for the Cardinals.

 

[Jttsaz]

I was very excited about getting T. Henry!

 

[LVCARDFREAK]

Sign Jordan, draft Pacman at #8, seems simple enough to me!

Keep Shelton and get a 4th rounder for Clement (if possible)

 

[Russ Smith]

THe reality is we had no idea what Henry we were getting so giving him a long term deal with guaranteed money might have backfired. Afterall there has to be SOME reason Buffalo drafted a guy coming off a catastrophic knee injury and is now trading Henry? Maybe they think he wants too much or is too injury prone?

 

[TheCardFan]

THe reality is we had no idea what Henry we were getting so giving him a long term deal with guaranteed money might have backfired. Afterall there has to be SOME reason Buffalo drafted a guy coming off a catastrophic knee injury and is now trading Henry? Maybe they think he wants too much or is too injury prone?

Dissapointing if true...but I believe in GREEN!

 

[Shane]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/clayton/qhits.html



March 1, 2005
Tackle market
L.J. Shelton isn't the only Cardinals tackle on the market. While the Cardinals want a second-round choice for Shelton, a left tackle, they would like a third- or fourth-rounder for Anthony Clement. The Cardinals realize Clement's trade market won't heat up until after the free agent tackles are signed. Once that happens, though, Clement could become an attractive commodity because he is a physical run-blocking right tackle. March 1, 2005
Regarding Henry
The Cardinals no longer have interest in Bills halfback Travis Henry. They seriously considered trading tackle L.J. Shelton to Buffalo for Henry, but they have changed their minds for two reasons. First, they see a great crop of running backs available in the draft. Second, they wanted Henry to play out the final year of his contract before giving him a big contract extension. Henry preferred to get his money now, and that's not a sell for the Cardinals.

Does what I bolded seem to be a dumb way of doing business by the Cards? That really puzzles me?

 

[SweetD]

O'well

 

[ajcardfan]

Does what I bolded seem to be a dumb way of doing business by the Cards? That really puzzles me?

It would make sense if they are nervous about his health.

I'm fairly surprised to hear we're shopping Clement and Shelton. That means we HAVE to sign a RT in free agency or take one at #8. Getting a cheaper back than Henry in the draft would almost rule out taking one at #8.

Of course, this could all be smoke by the Cards to force a pick out of Buffalo along with Henry.

 

[jefftheshark]

We could still be negotiating. No deal is ever done until the side with the stronger hand walks away at least once.


In the famous words of' Bluto' Blutarsky: Over? Did you say over? NOTHING is over until WE decide it is.

The Shark

 

[Shane]

It would make sense if they are nervous about his health.

I really dont buy that argument. He doesnt have a "major" injury concern. The guy you draft or Lamont Jordan etc.... could go out and blow a knee the first day of training camp? With the Cards luck that would likely happen anyway.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Does what I bolded seem to be a dumb way of doing business by the Cards? That really puzzles me?

Not when you consider the guy has had injury problem and got relegated to the bench last season.

If worse came to worse - if Henry put up HUGE stats and was worthy of a HUGE contract, we had the franchise tag to keep him around. For once - I actually think the Cards got it right on that one. Henry at this point doesn't deserve a HUGE extension - if he was coming off two years ago - in a heartbeat, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" league and lately Henry hasn't done squat. It's a big year for RBs - no need to panic.

 

[SweetD]

I thought it was first reported the Cards didn't want him unless he signed an extension now it's because he wanted an extension? Which is it?

 

[ajcardfan]

I really dont buy that argument. He doesnt have a "major" injury concern. The guy you draft or Lamont Jordan etc.... could go out and blow a knee the first day of training camp? With the Cards luck that would likely happen anyway.

I agree. I think what we are really seeing is posturing in negotiations. Hell, Henry's agent could even be in on it with the Cards too.

 

[RobbleRobble]

Too early to rekindle the "Lamont Jordan to the Cardinals" lovefest?

 

[TheCardFan]

I agree. I think what we are really seeing is posturing in negotiations. Hell, Henry's agent could even be in on it with the Cards too.

Very true.

Both teams have come out recently and said "were not releasing our guy if we can't find a trade".

I think the Cards are strong arming both Henry (who wants to be a starter and I am sure would play out his final year as a starter rather than the same money as a back-up in Buff) and Buffalo (for an additional draft pick).

Both players are proven NFL starters that were demoted and both have injuries in their past. I think the lack of LT's and the glut of RB's gives us the advantage on this one.

 

[Shane]

Not when you consider the guy has had injury problem and got relegated to the bench last season.

If worse came to worse - if Henry put up HUGE stats and was worthy of a HUGE contract, we had the franchise tag to keep him around. For once - I actually think the Cards got it right on that one. Henry at this point doesn't deserve a HUGE extension - if he was coming off two years ago - in a heartbeat, but this is a "what have you done for me lately" league and lately Henry hasn't done squat. It's a big year for RBs - no need to panic.

If that happens and he puts up huge numbers you risk losing him after one season and are back in the same boat as this year. The guy could get an even bigger deal elsewhere in a year that wont be as plentiful at RB next season. Just seems to me that smart business would be to sign him now. IMO his success in the past speaks for itself. His injury concerns arent major.

 

[Russ Smith]

I agree. I think what we are really seeing is posturing in negotiations. Hell, Henry's agent could even be in on it with the Cards too.

he's been hurt the last 2 seasons which may explain the Cards concerns.

he's also on record saying his last year in Buffalo was all about showcasing himself for his next team. And he's said repeatedly he wants to be in Miami.

So I think it makes sense the Cards wanted to find out is he the guy who put up 2 great years or the guy who got benched this year for McGahee.

If I were Henry and I realized I'm probably not going to Miami where I want to play, I'm going to demand a big money extension so at least I get a big bonus and get paid now.

The option we WOULD have is keep him this year and then if we're impressed franchise him, but that's not the cheapest way to keep players and it's quite clear the Cards don't want to use the franchise tag to keep players unless absolutely necessary.

I think it's entirely possible the Cards figured Henry was either going to get a huge deal upfront, or he'd play here one year and go FA looking for a big deal.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Dissapointing if true...but I believe in GREEN!

Green has a plan, Henry did not fit his system, this is a deep RB draft, Get a back that fits the system.

 

[Cheesebeef]

IMO his success in the past speaks for itself. His injury concerns arent major.

honestly - if he was that successful and his injury concerns weren't a factor - it just doesn't make sense that ONE - Buffalo tookt he biggest gamble in the draft with MacGahee a couple eyars ago and TWO - that Willis was ble to put Henry's ass on the bench so easily.

Bottom line - his past production is just what it is - PAST - the shelf-life of running backs ain't all that high - I have no problems with the decision especially considering the bumper crop of RBs in FA, the draft and through Trade this offseason.

 

[Shane]

honestly - if he was that successful and his injury concerns weren't a factor - it just doesn't make sense that ONE - Buffalo tookt he biggest gamble in the draft with MacGahee a couple eyars ago and TWO - that Willis was ble to put Henry's ass on the bench so easily.

Bottom line - his past production is just what it is - PAST - the shelf-life of running backs ain't all that high - I have no problems with the decision especially considering the bumper crop of RBs in FA, the draft and through Trade this offseason.

I disagree. He was benched due to an injury and never got his job back. Happens a lot in the NFL.

Also Why not draft the guy? Like many have said on this site many times if it works out then awesome. If not then you have trade bait later. Its win win.

They drafted McGahee after a 1400 yard season and 12+ TDs. I dont see why they would have been concerned?

 

[Shane]

Green has a plan, Henry did not fit his system, this is a deep RB draft, Get a back that fits the system.

Thats obviously not true or Green never would have considered the trade to begin with

 

[Russ Smith]

I disagree. He was benched due to an injury and never got his job back. Happens a lot in the NFL.

Also Why not draft the guy? Like many have said on this site many times if it works out then awesome. If not then you have trade bait later. Its win win.

They drafted McGahee after a 1400 yard season and 12+ TDs. I dont see why they would have been concerned?

He wasn't injured when he got benched, he was healthy. He got hurt later in the year.

He fumbled 11 times in that 1400 yard season so they may have been concerned about that. he also missed 3 games as a rookie with a knee injury so there were reasons to wonder if he was their long term answer.

He's a good player but as Cheese said, people thought they were nuts to take McGahee that high, one would have to assume they had concerns about Henry or they would have never done that.

 

[AntSports Steve]

I think Green likes Henry, if the price is right. Henry must have wanted too much money upfront. I'm sure if his contract demands were reasonable, he would be trade to the Cards. Sounds like the Buf/Cards got it worked out, but Cards/Henry didn't find a good middle ground.

With all the RBs available via draft and FA, Henry probably had to big of value for himself.

Let's see how things shake out.

 

[DevonCardsFan]

Thats obviously not true or Green never would have considered the trade to begin with

Henry is not a Green System guy, neither was Smith.

 

[Shane]

He wasn't injured when he got benched, he was healthy. He got hurt later in the year.

He fumbled 11 times in that 1400 yard season so they may have been concerned about that. he also missed 3 games as a rookie with a knee injury so there were reasons to wonder if he was their long term answer.

He's a good player but as Cheese said, people thought they were nuts to take McGahee that high, one would have to assume they had concerns about Henry or they would have never done that.

I dunno Russ maybe the fumbling was a concern. That may be. But hardly a concern warranting looking for a replacement when that is something can be coached out of you.

I think they saw a value(like everyone on ths board advocates) much like BPA in ther opinions and went for it albeit a risky one. You guys IMO are reading to much into them drafting Mcgahee especially considering that he may have nver played again. It was a risk and one that worked for them.

His two seaons with the BIlls were not just good they were HUGE!