Here we go: GSW, MIN and CLE show interest in Amare

[The Commish]

He is a head case but he has tons of talent. A lot more talent than any other player being mentioned. Enough to try and build around.

At first I wasn't fond of the idea at all because I think Beasley should be a SF and that we are set there but I am starting to warm up to the idea of plaing two combo forwards at the 3/4 in the future with Beasley and Clark where Clark is more often the PF then Beasley.

Beasley/Clark/Lopez

That would solidify our frontcourt for the future. And Haslem, Dudley and Frye would be good backups.

With the draft picks we could solidify our backcourt with some youth.

I think the rest of the deal would have to be pretty sweet (ie draft picks) for me to bite. I just don't want him to be the centerpiece of the deal because I question his ability to stay out of trouble.

Would rather have Anthony Randolph (a different kind of headcase).

 

[Ronin]

Beasley might have been one of the most overrated prospect coming out of college.

...and experts were comparing this kid to Kevin Durant.

 

[joshstmarie]

He is a head case but he has tons of talent. A lot more talent than any other player being mentioned. Enough to try and build around.

At first I wasn't fond of the idea at all because I think Beasley should be a SF and that we are set there but I am starting to warm up to the idea of plaing two combo forwards at the 3/4 in the future with Beasley and Clark where Clark is more often the PF then Beasley.

Beasley/Clark/Lopez

That would solidify our frontcourt for the future. And Haslem, Dudley and Frye would be good backups.

With the draft picks we could solidify our backcourt with some youth.

1.) so its ok to trade for headcase a. because hes more talented than headcase b. ? Or are you going to justify that going to rehab for pot is not as bad as having a gun in a violin case?

2.)beasly/clark/lopez is probably the worst frontcourt in the NBA. I mean lopez has like 3 out of 4 good games and now hes the center of the future? I hope he continues what hes doing but he still cant rebound.

 

[slinslin]

1.) so its ok to trade for headcase a. because hes more talented than headcase b. ? Or are you going to justify that going to rehab for pot is not as bad as having a gun in a violin case?

2.)beasly/clark/lopez is probably the worst frontcourt in the NBA. I mean lopez has like 3 out of 4 good games and now hes the center of the future? I hope he continues what hes doing but he still cant rebound.

1) Smoking pot is definately not as bad as having machine guns in a violin case.

And comparing Delonte West and Michael Beasley is definately pushing it because Beasley is a far far better player and in terms of talent in a totally different universe then a scrub like West.

Charles Barkley was a headcase too.

2) Potentially that frontcourt is as good as any frontcourt and young as hell. Clark is the oldest of those 3 and he is what 21?

 

[slinslin]

Beasley might have been one of the most overrated prospect coming out of college.

...and experts were comparing this kid to Kevin Durant.

How could he have been overrated?

He was sensation in highschool and an absolute monster in college who put Durants stats to shame almost.#

He could probably put up 25ppg as a first option like Durant did in his 2nd season. You forgot that Durant has now 3 years of being the first option and green light to do anything on offense. Beasley didn't have it that easy coming to a team that won a ring a year before and has an unquestionable #1 guy already who dominates the ball.

 

[Ronin]

an absolute monster in college who put Durants stats to shame almost.

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[AsUdUdE]

It has been said before, and apparently needs to be said again.. Everyone needs to plan on getting bent over in any trade for Amare at this point...

Seriously, if we got Beasley and 2 first round picks, the Suns should jump for joy and be amazed they got such a deal...

The reailty is Amare is walking next year anyway, meaning if we can get anything other than expirering contracts for him, it will be better for the team...

I will be most upset if the suns trade him for only expiring contracts (ala Googs) just to say money for a couple months... anything above that I will be satisfied... unless we take back some ridiculous contract...

 

[Ronin]

Going to take to long make it look nice....so here's the link.

http://blogs.chron.com/longhorns/2008/02/kevin_durant_vs_michael_beasle.html

Doesn't seem like Kevin Durant was put to shame by Michael Beasley....

 

[Ronin]

How could he have been overrated?

He was sensation in highschool and an absolute monster in college who put Durants stats to shame almost.#

He could probably put up 25ppg as a first option like Durant did in his 2nd season. You forgot that Durant has now 3 years of being the first option and green light to do anything on offense. Beasley didn't have it that easy coming to a team that won a ring a year before and has an unquestionable #1 guy already who dominates the ball.

Kevin Durant never had it easy either.
Kevin Durant never had a Dwayne Wade on his team, but that didn't stop him from growing as a player.

 

[joshstmarie]

1) Smoking pot is definately not as bad as having machine guns in a violin case.

And comparing Delonte West and Michael Beasley is definately pushing it because Beasley is a far far better player and in terms of talent in a totally different universe then a scrub like West.

Charles Barkley was a headcase too.

2) Potentially that frontcourt is as good as any frontcourt and young as hell. Clark is the oldest of those 3 and he is what 21?

Machine gun?? I heard it was an RPG.

Yea potentially I GUESS they could be, but youre putting alot of hope in 2 guys that have for the most part showed nothing so far in their careers, especially clark. I know its hard to guage where hes at right now but are you seriously prepared to hand over the keys to rolo and EC right now?

To be honest Im not a huge fan of any trade proposals Ive seen out there so far. Unfortunatly we arent going to get value for amare like we should. Its wierd how his value hasnt really gone up much even since last year. Oh well. At least the next few weeks will be interesting.

I still like my

Z
Hickson
Powe
West
1st rounder deal

maybe tack on a future 1st?

I gotta think the cavs would be willing to add a little extra not only to get amare but also to entice lebron to stay in cle for the long haul.

 

[slinslin]

How can you honestly like that deal it offers absolutely nothing to us except role players.

There is no upside to that deal, no talent, nothing.

 

[slinslin]

Kevin Durant never had it easy either.
Kevin Durant never had a Dwayne Wade on his team, but that didn't stop him from growing as a player.

For a young player it is a better situation to get playing time non stop and grow into that role rather than go to an already good team and fight for minutes.

 

[slinslin]

Going to take to long make it look nice....so here's the link.

http://blogs.chron.com/longhorns/2008/02/kevin_durant_vs_michael_beasle.html

Doesn't seem like Kevin Durant was put to shame by Michael Beasley....

He scored more, rebounded more, shot 8% better from the field.

Despite playing 9 games less Beasley had 3 more double doubles, he had 3 40+ scoring games Durant none, he had a freshman ncaa record high 44 point game, a Big 12 reboudning high game of 24.

I am not sure how that link doesn't prove my point that Beasley had more outstanding college numbers.

 

[The Commish]

Machine gun?? I heard it was an RPG.

Yea potentially I GUESS they could be, but youre putting alot of hope in 2 guys that have for the most part showed nothing so far in their careers, especially clark. I know its hard to guage where hes at right now but are you seriously prepared to hand over the keys to rolo and EC right now?

To be honest Im not a huge fan of any trade proposals Ive seen out there so far. Unfortunatly we arent going to get value for amare like we should. Its wierd how his value hasnt really gone up much even since last year. Oh well. At least the next few weeks will be interesting.

I still like my

Z
Hickson
Powe
West
1st rounder deal

maybe tack on a future 1st?

I gotta think the cavs would be willing to add a little extra not only to get amare but also to entice lebron to stay in cle for the long haul.

Yeah I don't like that deal either. There is nothing to build around. I like Hickson, but he's not a centerpiece and that 1st rounder won't be worth much.

The expirings are nice but we can get a way better deal elsewhere that nets us either young talent and/or a nice draft pick.

 

[joshstmarie]

i guess it depends on how you feel about hickson.

Like I said in my previous post, all of those contracts will be gone when steve nashes are up so even if they all turn out to be absolute crap we at least wont have our hands tied when Jrich, nash, hill are gone. that IS what you want right? Id rather have that then have beasly with an albatross contract that his going to get when he teases us with one good contract year.

Powe is still an interesting prospect to me. I did find out hes tore his knee up a couple of other times in college so it would be a risk, but agian we can either ditch him or if he comes back and contributes can sign him to a pretty small contract.

west may have some issues but hes proved he can be a very versitile 6/7th man. I like him.

 

[Yuma]

I think Cleveland is the only scenario that makes sense. They get another player to help put them on a par with Boston and LA, and we get MONEY (Luxury tax beneficiary)! Seems like a win/win, and in character with both team's strategy. Cleveland is in the win now mode, and we are looking for financial relief. Don't know why this trade isn't done, except maybe Cleveland doesn't really want Amare. I mean, Amare and Shaq didn't work too well for us.

 

[joshstmarie]

Yeah I don't like that deal either. There is nothing to build around. I like Hickson, but he's not a centerpiece and that 1st rounder won't be worth much.

The expirings are nice but we can get a way better deal elsewhere that nets us either young talent and/or a nice draft pick.

the thing is no one is offering (from what ive seen) any youngs to build around besides beasley. Id be real scared to try and put a team around him at this point in his career. I think its a huge risk.
Like I said in my last post, I think this dude just screams contract year player/stats.

seems like most teams are offering hickson like prospects as long as we take their big long obnoxious contracts IE GS with biedrens/randolph/curry.

cleavland may be the only team that doest.

 

[slinslin]

My top choices whether realistic options or not would be

1. Curry/Randolph+fillers
2. Brook Lopez+fillers
3. Beasley, mid first rounders+fillers
4. Iguodala+pick or speights

 

[The Commish]

the thing is no one is offering (from what ive seen) any youngs to build around besides beasley. Id be real scared to try and put a team around him at this point in his career. I think its a huge risk.
Like I said in my last post, I think this dude just screams contract year player/stats.

seems like most teams are offering hickson like prospects as long as we take their big long obnoxious contracts IE GS with biedrens/randolph/curry.

cleavland may be the only team that doest.

I'd rather re-sign Amare than do the Cleveland deal.

Young players and picks or bust in my opinion. No point in getting a bunch of expirings back when we could just let Amare walk anyways (Hickson isn't enough for me to pull the trigger).

Also what's everyones gauge on the willingness/ability of the Suns FO to lure top flight free agents? I don't have a ton of confidence in them to be honest.

I think we all overrate cap space from a basketball perspective. This day and age players rarely jump ship because of Bird Rights. There have been numerous teams over the years who have geared up to sign top flight free only to overpay the leftovers. Personally I think the best way for this team to rebuild is with young guys and picks because they're cheap (fits our profile). Suns fans are ready to move forward and get excited about watching young guys develop.

Also if you're able stack enough chips, you can make a move for a big name player down the road ala Boston.

 

[Ronin]

For a young player it is a better situation to get playing time non stop and grow into that role rather than go to an already good team and fight for minutes.

Miami wasn't that good.

 

[slinslin]

Miami wasn't that good.

Yeah, they only won the finals a year before..

 

[Ronin]

He scored more, rebounded more, shot 8% better from the field.

Despite playing 9 games less Beasley had 3 more double doubles, he had 3 40+ scoring games Durant none, he had a freshman ncaa record high 44 point game, a Big 12 reboudning high game of 24.

I am not sure how that link doesn't prove my point that Beasley had more outstanding college numbers.

Kevin played on a better team than Michael Beasley
Kevin sharerd most of the scoring load with D.J. Augustin at Texas.
Yet the numbers were almost the same as michael beasley's....who was the number 1 option for Kansas State.

 

[Ronin]

Yeah, they only won the finals a year before..

but they had the number 2 pick

 

[devilalum]

Also if you're able stack enough chips, you can make a move for a big name player down the road ala Boston.

The Suns sell their "chips" for cash.

 

[elindholm]

No point in getting a bunch of expirings back when we could just let Amare walk anyways

Right, exactly. Everyone is worried about losing Stoudemire "for nothing," but better that than to be artificially committed to a bunch of mediocre talent for the next two or three years.

Just remember when the Suns traded Barkley to Houston. Their chemistry went straight to hell, none of the players they got was worth anything (for Phoenix), and all it did was delay their rebuilding process.