Here we go: GSW, MIN and CLE show interest in Amare

[devilalum]

What exactly can be done about Amare's contract?

Can he sign an extension as part of a trade deal? Seems like I remember reading that you can't do that during the season.

 

[joshstmarie]

Right, exactly. Everyone is worried about losing Stoudemire "for nothing," but better that than to be artificially committed to a bunch of mediocre talent for the next two or three years.

This makes no sense since we would be rebuilding in 2 years anyways, why not stock up younger talent and see what we have instead. Id rather suck and have players we are grooming for the future. why not start the process now?
With the cleavland trade we have a guy with some pretty decent potential and probably a pick or two as well. If none of that pans out we wouldnt be committed to any of those guys past next year.. so how is just letting amare walk a smart decision at all?

 

[slinslin]

What exactly can be done about Amare's contract?

Can he sign an extension as part of a trade deal? Seems like I remember reading that you can't do that during the season.

I think the Suns could sign him to a 3yrds 57 million extension like Gasol did and trade him.

 

[slinslin]

Kevin played on a better team than Michael Beasley
Kevin sharerd most of the scoring load with D.J. Augustin at Texas.
Yet the numbers were almost the same as michael beasley's....who was the number 1 option for Kansas State.

Wait didn't you just before argue that it is an advantage to play with other good players but now you say Durants stats are worse because he played with one of the best PGs in college that year?

 

[elindholm]

This makes no sense since we would be rebuilding in 2 years anyways, why not stock up younger talent

Because there are other ways to get young talent. Draft picks will be for sale this summer, and there will be some decent young players available for MLE money once the big names fall. If the Suns are going to dump Stoudemire, they should make sure that his money goes to players they actually want, even if that means waiting for a few more months.

 

[joshstmarie]

Because there are other ways to get young talent. Draft picks will be for sale this summer, and there will be some decent young players available for MLE money once the big names fall. If the Suns are going to dump Stoudemire, they should make sure that his money goes to players they actually want, even if that means waiting for a few more months.

The only draft picks that are going to be for sale are second rounders..maybe a late late first rounder...maybe. It was suggested that the suns would buy out Z this year putting them under the salary cap. So basically we would be paying for a guy thats on year two of a mid first round rookie contract, along with possibly a pick or two. As opposed to nothing.

basically making that trade doesnt hinder us from any of your "visions" for next years free agents or draft picks.

 

[elindholm]

The only draft picks that are going to be for sale are second rounders..maybe a late late first rounder...maybe.

If that turns out to be true, it will be the first time in years that there were no picks in the 20s for sale. Especially in this upcoming FA market and with the economy in shambles, my guess is that you'll see at least as many picks available this draft as in a typical year, not fewer.

It was suggested that the suns would buy out Z this year putting them under the salary cap.

Luxury tax. There's no way for the Suns to get under the cap this year.

 

[joshstmarie]

Luxury tax. There's no way for the Suns to get under the cap this year.

yea. sorry thats what I meant.

 

[tobiazz]

One road block in the way of trading Stoudemire for value is that Bosh is also on the block. That may slow things down as teams try to pit the Suns against the Raptors.

If I were Miami, I would rather pair Bosh with Wade. I think GS would prefer Stat since they have plenty of perimeter shooters. CLE might be a toss up since Lebron plays inside and out.

 

[SirStefan32]

I would love Randolph, Curry and a first rounder, but I really see no point to Biedrins when we already have Lopez. He has 4 years left on his contract.
I would LOVE to get B. Lopez from the Nets, but there is no way they are going to trade Lopez.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

they should make sure that his money goes to players they actually want, even if that means waiting for a few more months.

ugh, but i don't want the suns to get the players they want. those players suck.

 

[Mainstreet]

ugh, but i don't want the suns to get the players they want. those players suck.

So true for the most part.

 

[Gaddabout]

Ugh. How many success stories are there in the NBA where players are "groomed?" In most cases, they either come out of the gate showing obvious talent or they fail. The number of players who grow up in the NBA are rare, Nash being the rarest of the rare.

 

[Ronin]

Wait didn't you just before argue that it is an advantage to play with other good players

It is.

but now you say Durants stats are worse because he played with one of the best PGs in college that year?

Cmon now...Beasley stats aren't that much better Kevin Durant's. Kevin Durant was still pretty good player while sharing the number 1 scoring role.

 

[Sunburn]

Ugh. How many success stories are there in the NBA where players are "groomed?" In most cases, they either come out of the gate showing obvious talent or they fail. The number of players who grow up in the NBA are rare, Nash being the rarest of the rare.

Obviously they look for players with talent. You don't just pick a guy off the street. But lots of young guys are groomed. Granger comes to mind. Jermaine O'neill. A lot of the European guys. Dirk, Bargnani, Gallinari. Pretty much every draft pick is a grooming project. It's rare to have a guy come in and be an immediate star.

 

[slinslin]

Word is that Detroit and New Jersey are pushing the most for a trade.

Detroit would give up their unprotected pick, but the John Wall chance would be tiny. They might even make the playoffs with Amare. Other than that draft pick Detroit pieces are absolutely terrible however.

 

[devilalum]

Miami

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...heat-amare-stoudemire-s012510,0,6362844.story

 

[slinslin]

Yeah I see Miami and New Jersey as the most likely destinations.

Detroit is just.. it is hard to come up with a scenario where we don't take Prince who is signed until 2011 for 11M$.

And for the future the only pieces they have is that pick and Jerebko.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

Miami

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...heat-amare-stoudemire-s012510,0,6362844.story

I could be talked into a package built around Beasley, he'd be a great return for Amare.

 

[slinslin]

We could probably absorb James Jones contract which would increase Miami's capspace.

Beasley, Jones, Haslem and their 2 mid first rounders for Amare, Amundson and Collins, or even Grant Hill.

That would be ideal. I'd like to see a frontcourt of Beasley/Clark/Lopez in the future.

Beasley individually is the most talented player mentioned in any trade so that would be my prefered choice either way.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

But, doesn't Beasley effectively play as a big 3? I'm not saying that's bad, but I would think he makes Clark obsolete (or Dudley). This coming from a guy who sees Clark as a future cog.

I gotta say, though. If we got those 2 picks, I'd have to sign on to this. Get Washington from Ark and Warren from OU and we'd be looking good!

Dragic-Warren-Beasley-Washington-Lopez/FA/Trade

 

[slinslin]

Why not play Beasley at the 3 and Clark at the 4. They have the size. Clark isn't a prototype PF but it would be an interesting combo of two forwards who will hopefully both be versatile enough to interchange positions basically.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

Well, if that were the case, I might want to trade one of the MIA picks (w/, say, Barbosa) to move up for Aldrich. If we traded Stoudemire/Barbosa for Beasley/Aldrich/Warren/cap space, I think we'd be alright going forward. Then we could let Nash play out his contract and move into a backup role soon and we could work on moving JRich for other pieces....

Dragic-Warren-Beasley-Clark-Aldrich

 

[slinslin]

Willie Warren? Hate that guy, would rather trade up for Travis Henry.

 

[Ronin]

Noah (Los Angeles, CA)

It seems like all the signs are pointing toward Amare going to New Jersey. Are Simmons, Battie, Lee, Yi, Mavs '10 pick and Warriors '12 pick enough to make both sides happy if Amare agrees to an extension?
Chad Ford (1:15 PM)




I was told nothing serious going on with NJ and Phoenix at the moment. They are starting to like Yi and that's a lot to give up for Stoudemire when you could just sign him out right this summer as a free agent and keep those 2 picks and Yi.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30511
I found this on the Chicago Realgm board
Chad Ford Chat.