Here we go: GSW, MIN and CLE show interest in Amare

[Divide Et Impera]

I have no idea, but my posts are only in direct response to the alleged Gambo rumor. I'm not so sure this makes any sense, but I'll play anyways....

 

[Chaplin]

I wish people would actually check the trades to make sure they would actually be legal under current CBA rules. Gambo's the worst at it.

 

[slinslin]

Gambo and Ash are ridiculous today saying Iguodala for Amare is too good for the Suns.

Iggy is seriously overpaid and Philly wants to get rid off him.

 

[Mainstreet]

Let 'em complain....the D'Antoni/Nash/Amare era was very memorable and successful......but it's time to blow it up,change gears and create another title run 4-5 years from now.

Maybe if the Suns had kept DA and Nash together the Suns would still be winning about 57 games a year and fans might still be dreaming they are a contender. Not bad compared to the reality of the Suns without DA. Who is going to guarantee the Suns are a title contender 4-5 years from now.

I'm not opposed to trading Nash but I would prefer trading Amare. I believe the Suns could right the ship if they placed another PG besides Nash (even Dragic) at crunch time to relieve the pressure he receives. Gentry needs to have Dragic on the court with Nash especially to close out games. Opposing teams are just tormenting Nash all night long with strong double teams. I'm sure you must see it. This would wear out even a younger PG. Opposing teams have figured out that if you stop Nash you stop the Suns. In a trade, I think a good young rebounding forward that plays defense could fill Amare's shoes on most nights especially if the Suns receive some more talent and picks to go with it.

Also, how happy are you with the Suns coaching now?

Sometimes tomorrow never comes.

 

[devilalum]

Maybe if the Suns had kept DA and Nash together the Suns would still be winning about 57 games a year and fans might still be dreaming they are a contender. Not bad compared to the reality of the Suns without DA. Who is going to guarantee the Suns are a title contender 4-5 years from now.

I'm not opposed to trading Nash but I would prefer trading Amare. I believe the Suns could right the ship if they placed another PG besides Nash (even Dragic) at crunch time to relieve the pressure he receives. Gentry needs to have Dragic on the court with Nash especially to close out games. Opposing teams are just tormenting Nash all night long with strong double teams. I'm sure you must see it. This would wear out even a younger PG. Opposing teams have figured out that if you stop Nash you stop the Suns. In a trade, I think a good young rebounding forward that plays defense could fill Amare's shoes on most nights especially if the Suns receive some more talent and picks to go with it.

Also, how happy are you with the Suns coaching now?

Sometimes tomorrow never comes.

No way. Under DA Dragic and Lopez would still be sitting on the bench and you can't understate the value of Marion. In Da's scheme. Without Marion SSOL would never have worked.

 

[jlove]

Well, Amare said he'd be ok with Philly, and an Amare/Iggy deal is a good start. There are a couple different variations of a Suns/Sixers deal that would work for both teams.

Amare for Iggy/Speights/draft pick
Amare/JRich for Iggy/Speights/Dalembert/draft pick
Amare/Lou for Iggy/Speights/Young

The combination's are endless. In any deal with Amare and Iggy the Suns NEED to get Speights in return to take the PF position over.

 

[JS22]

Well, Amare said he'd be ok with Philly, and an Amare/Iggy deal is a good start. There are a couple different variations of a Suns/Sixers deal that would work for both teams.

Amare for Iggy/Speights/draft pick
Amare/JRich for Iggy/Speights/Dalembert/draft pick
Amare/Lou for Iggy/Speights/Young

The combination's are endless. In any deal with Amare and Iggy the Suns NEED to get Speights in return to take the PF position over.

Iggy / Speights for Amare / filler and I'm interested.

 

[Mainstreet]

No way. Under DA Dragic and Lopez would still be sitting on the bench and you can't understate the value of Marion. In Da's scheme. Without Marion SSOL would never have worked.

I can't deny Marion had a large role in SSOL at PF. However, there never would have been an effective SSOL in Phoenix without Nash. DA needed Nash to run his system (see NY). This was the case of a perfect player matched with the right system.

I think Dragic would have fit DA's system but Lopez not so much. Maybe the Suns would have drafted a different center than Lopez if DA was not forced out. This might not have been bad.

Anyway I don't know why I'm even talking about DA anymore except I'm nostalgic and know future success will not come easy. I guess I liked winning and being in contention every year sort of like Utah or Dallas who have yet to win a championship. Last season and this season are downers.

 

[carey]

Iggy / Speights for Amare / filler and I'm interested.

I've been saying Iggy / Speights for a week. It's the best return on talent out there which is probably why Philly balks unless Amare decides not to opt out or signs an extension.

 

[mojorizen7]

I can't deny Marion had a large role in SSOL at PF. However, there never would have been an effective SSOL in Phoenix without Nash. DA needed Nash to run his system (see NY). This was the case of a perfect player matched with the right system.

I think Dragic would have fit DA's system but Lopez not so much. Maybe the Suns would have drafted a different center than Lopez if DA was not forced out. This might not have been bad.

Anyway I don't know why I'm even talking about DA anymore except I'm nostalgic and know future success will not come easy. I guess I liked winning and being in contention every year sort of like Utah or Dallas who have yet to win a championship. Last season and this season are downers.

I attest the success of SSOL to several key pieces coming together at the right time. Briefly:
1) D'Antoni's philosophy of attacking with no regard of the shot clock.
Speed,athleticism,freedom and chemistry.
2) Nash was the perfect quarterback to run it...the ultimate unselfish
distributor who could also score.
3) Amare Stoudemire's athleticism,size and aggressive, intimidating style
of attacking the rim while being able to run & face up inside.
4) Shawn Marion. Could run and also extremely athletic. His ability to get
open in transition was a perfect compliment to Nash.
5) The rest of the NBA wasn't ready to defend this.

Sounds a little like the GSOT RAMS who won a title in '99....except they had a pretty good defensive team too. Apples and oranges maybe....but i think not.

 

[Mainstreet]

I attest the success of SSOL to several key pieces coming together at the right time. Briefly:
1) D'Antoni's philosophy of attacking with no regard of the shot clock.
Speed,athleticism,freedom and chemistry.
2) Nash was the perfect quarterback to run it...the ultimate unselfish
distributor who could also score.
3) Amare Stoudemire's athleticism,size and aggressive, intimidating style
of attacking the rim while being able to run & face up inside.
4) Shawn Marion. Could run and also extremely athletic. His ability to get
open in transition was a perfect compliment to Nash.
5) The rest of the NBA wasn't ready to defend this.

Sounds a little like the GSOT RAMS who won a title in '99....except they had a pretty good defensive team too. Apples and oranges maybe....but i think not.

Nice summary. Anyway I enjoyed the ride and the vision of sugar plums while it lasted. I think Sarver will sell the franchise soon and then I can hopefully enjoy watching the Suns rebuild with a good GM. I just do not have faith in the Suns FO anymore.

 

[cly2tw]

No way. Under DA Dragic and Lopez would still be sitting on the bench and you can't understate the value of Marion. In Da's scheme. Without Marion SSOL would never have worked.

No way! Under DA, Dragic and Lopez would have never been on the Suns team as the picks would have been converted in hard currencies like the USD.

 

[mojorizen7]

I just do not have faith in the Suns FO anymore.

Neither do I.
It seems that Sarver/Kerr's SUNS have become the little kid on the block who all the other kids make fun of.....and when the little kid tries to make friends,make trades or socialize with them, they buddy-up just long enough to steal his lunch money with a smile.

 

[slinslin]

This might be my preferred deal I guess.

Phoenix Suns trade:
Amare Stoudemire, Jason Richardson, Leandro Barbosa
Phoenix Suns get:
Jermaine O'Neal(exp), Etan Thomas(exp), Matt Harpring(exp), Daequan Cook, Phoenix 2010 1st, Miami 2010 1st, Toronto 2010 1st


Oklahoma Thunder trade:
Etan Thomas, Matt Harpring, Phoenix 2010 1st,
Oklahoma Thunder get:
Leandro Barbosa, Udonis Haslem, Dorrell Wright


Miami Heat trade:
Jermaine O'Neal, Udonis Haslem, Dorrell Wright, Daequan Cook ,Miami 2010 1st, Toronto 2010 1st
Miami Heat get:
Amare Stoudemire, Jason Richardson

 

[slinslin]

If Sarver would sign off this deal, by all means go for it imo.

Iguodala/Brand/76ers 2010 pick for Amare/JRich

We would save 2.7M$ right now which could be enough to get under the luxury tax.

We would have to dump Barbosa though to absorb Brands contract and stay under the tax next year.

 

[TucsonDevil]

Gambo and Ash are ridiculous.

There, fixed that for you.

The G & A show is really just a long commercial for heating and cooling, jewelry stores, and locational promotions, sprinkled with really crappy analysis of sports/widely speculative trade rumors.

I can't stand that show. I tune in every now and then (between commercials of other shows) and find G&A promoting something, nearly every time. Seriously, its a 5 hour commercial. Also, I wonder if advertisers know that I run the opposite way of a Gambo endorsement.

 

[Sunshooter]

If Sarver would sign off this deal, by all means go for it imo.

Iguodala/Brand/76ers 2010 pick for Amare/JRich

We would save 2.7M$ right now which could be enough to get under the luxury tax.

We would have to dump Barbosa though to absorb Brands contract and stay under the tax next year.

If 76ers really make this offer, just do it.

 

[TucsonDevil]

If 76ers really make this offer, just do it.

Yes, but then your big signing would be Brand... since he still has $50+M owed to him. And, adding insult to his injuries, he is not the near All-Star he was 2 years ago.

 

[Divide Et Impera]

You guys are crazy proposing ANY deal that brings in Brand or any long term has been. I'd rather let Amare walk - seriously....

 

[Sunshooter]

Yes, but then your big signing would be Brand... since he still has $50+M owed to him. And, adding insult to his injuries, he is not the near All-Star he was 2 years ago.

You need to trust the team physio. And Iguodala is a very attractive addition.

PG: Nash/Dragic
SG: Iguodala/Barbosa
SF: Hill/Dudley
PF: Brand/Amundson
C: Lopez/Frye

 

[overseascardfan]

Someone mentioned a great proposal on another thread:

MIA trades: C Jermaine O'Neal, PF Michael Beasley, PG Mario Chalmers & 1st rounder (they have 2)

PHX trades: C Amare Stoudamire & SG Jason Richardson

Why does MIA do this: They a low post scorer in Amare to compliment Wade, it will help them with LeBron if Amare and Wade stay.

Why PHX does this: They get an expiring contract, young F, young PG & a 1st rounder (will probably be late).

New lineup:

C O'Neal / Lopez
PF Beasley / Frye / Amundson
SF Clark / Dudley
SG Hill / Barbosa
PG Nash / Dragic / Chalmers

I would even consider re-signing O'Neal to a REASONABLE contract in the off-season. Lineup looks promising but if Nash and Hill want out I accomodate them and get more youth and picks.

 

[Chaplin]

Why would the Heat want JRich, a proven starter in the league?

 

[JS22]

I've been saying Iggy / Speights for a week. It's the best return on talent out there which is probably why Philly balks unless Amare decides not to opt out or signs an extension.

With the way Amare has been playing recently it looks like Iggy / Speights would be too much.

 

[slinslin]

Ric Bucher says the epicenter of talks is Suns-Wizards right now with Sixers also unlikely to stand pat.

 

[nashman]

Beasley would not be included in any deal with Miami, thats just funny no way they trade him!