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Captain of Team Conner
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1? The players in the locker room still rally around him. You don't see a mutiny in the locker room about Kyler not being their guy. That alone is worth at least a couple of points.
Scoring him a 1 is bias seeping through.
Watt and Conner are both known to be workout warriors. So 2 or 3, out of 60? You have a few of these on every team. Again, this is a really silly line in the sand.
This narrative is kind of stupid, TBH. Kyler comes to the facility to work out when he's here because it's a better and more private facility than he'd have access to in whatever condo he stays in here during the season.Kyler has already been working out at the team facilities this off season. To stop working out there now the rest of the team is doesn't look great.
It’s an interesting exercise though, no?1? The players in the locker room still rally around him. You don't see a mutiny in the locker room about Kyler not being their guy. That alone is worth at least a couple of points.
Scoring him a 1 is bias seeping through.
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I agree for the most part.It’s an interesting exercise though, no?
My scoring:
Raw Physical Talent - 9 (dock a point due to height)
Decision Making Ability - 6 (think he’s not in the great category but he’s likely above average)
Leadership - 4 (seems well-liked, but doesn’t seem a leader)
Maturity - 3.4 (needs to grow a lot but he’s not Ryan leaf)
Yes, you were, and to be honest, it is not an easy name to spell. Especially when it was always pronounced the same as "Cedric." Even his nickname is "Sed."I was close!
It's always funny to me when a player gets drafted, goes to a great system with fantastic coaching, and becomes a great player in the league. It never fails. Someone will say "Man, imagine if we had drafted that guy?" I'm always like "Uh, his career trajectory would not have been the same. We're the Cardinals."If Murray leaves, I'm 100% confident he will figure it out and we will regret it. If he stays, I'm 50% sure he will workout. It's the Cardinals
I agree for the most part.
I tend to think when there is smoke...
But smoke doesn't mean a blazing inferno. Sometimes someone threw a cigarette butt in a trashcan. Murray definitely needs to grow up, but you can say that about 95% of 24 year olds. He just happens to be the supposed leader of a a group of 50+ grown men.
If Murray leaves, I'm 100% confident he will figure it out and we will regret it. If he stays, I'm 50% sure he will workout. It's the Cardinals
Hyperbole Mich?Some of you guys will excuse anything for this kid…. If he was playing like a veteran experienced and under control. Showed amazing leadership skills and had this offense dialed in I wouldn’t care. But he is absolutely the furthest thing from that…. AJ Green(the guy labeled as lazy around here) was just interviewed and said he will attend the voluntary work outs. He stated The biggest thing he needs is to get his communication down with Kyler. Hmmm sounds like it would be a good place for Kyler to be and get that started….
Lol. BorgI think you're being a bit rough. I'd put leadership and maturity at 4.
He isn't Ryan Leaf. He isn't Johnny Manziel.
Not even…. He is very far from any of that at this point…. Yea he’s fun to watch sometimes. Big deal.Hyperbole Mich?
It’s an interesting exercise though, no?
My scoring:
Raw Physical Talent - 9 (dock a point due to height)
Decision Making Ability - 6 (think he’s not in the great category but he’s likely above average)
Leadership - 4 (seems well-liked, but doesn’t seem a leader)
Maturity - 3.4 (needs to grow a lot but he’s not Ryan leaf)
It’s an interesting exercise though, no?
My scoring:
Raw Physical Talent - 9 (dock a point due to height)
Decision Making Ability - 6 (think he’s not in the great category but he’s likely above average)
Leadership - 4 (seems well-liked, but doesn’t seem a leader)
Maturity - 3.4 (needs to grow a lot but he’s not Ryan leaf)
Here's the thing. For a team with no real young foundational talent + old guys its tough to keep getting better and the team improving if he's not at least a 5 in leadership and maturity. Either that or he's a better talent than I realize (I have that anywhere from 8 to 9 as well).I do think it is interesting.
I think I would score decision a 7, leadership a 5, and maturity 4, while agreeing with physical talent.
There isn't. The burden on proof is those claiming that he isn't a leader, not the other way around.I dunno if he's done more than Murray in three seasons. He definitely had developed more than Murray at the ends of their respective third seasons, but, as I said elsewhere, Josh Allen was a punchline at the beginning of his third season and then just came back from the offseason and got like Reverse COVID when you suddenly are like way better.
In pretty much every qualitative and quantitative category, Kyler was better after two seasons, and probably on really similar tracks through two and a half seasons.
Josh Allen's development in his third year is basically unprecedented.
I mean, the locker room not treating him like Baker Mayfield is a pretty low bar to clear. Where is the evidence that "the players in the locker room still rally around him"? Is there evidence elsewhere in the NFL that pro locker rooms "mutiny" on a QB?
Being liked isn’t being a leader.Maturity isn't leadership. Some of the most well liked guys I know are nothing more than big children I wouldn't trust to feed my pets.
spot on.I agree for the most part.
I tend to think when there is smoke...
But smoke doesn't mean a blazing inferno. Sometimes someone threw a cigarette butt in a trashcan. Murray definitely needs to grow up, but you can say that about 95% of 24 year olds. He just happens to be the supposed leader of a a group of 50+ grown men.
If Murray leaves, I'm 100% confident he will figure it out and we will regret it. If he stays, I'm 50% sure he will workout. It's the Cardinals
I believe you said “the furthest . . . “Not even…. He is very far from any of that at this point…. Yea he’s fun to watch sometimes. Big deal.
How do you know? This whole leader thing is all conjecture at best. You can tell me for a fact that his teammates in the locker room isn't showing that he is a leader?
This is madness the levels some of you will go through to try and prove a point.
Lol. There’s only a burden of proof on anyone that wants to assert a position on a message board. So if you believe, and want to argue, he’s a good leader the burden of proof is on you. If someone wants to assert the opposite the burden is in them. This isn’t a court of law where there are rules governing who has to meet any thresholds.There isn't. The burden on proof is those claiming that he isn't a leader, not the other way around.
I wonder if one of their sources is Dan Bickley...I mean, it’s only been widly reported by multiple national media members that his leadership skills are questionable at best. I’m sure there are some teammates who see him as a leader, but compared to guys such as Russ, Brady, and others, Kyler leaves much to be desired.
Just today, Colin provided some anecdotes about the KM situation. He is directly connected to Steve Keim.
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I don't want to argue that he is a good leader, nor have I ever said that he was. I never have. It is the loud voices that are claiming that he is not a leader that I am talking about.Lol. There’s only a burden of proof on anyone that wants to assert a position on a message board. So if you believe, and want to argue, he’s a good leader the burden of proof is on you. If someone wants to assert the opposite the burden is in them. This isn’t a court of law where there are rules governing who has to meet any thresholds.
So more conjecture, got it.I mean, it’s only been widly reported by multiple national media members that his leadership skills are questionable at best. I’m sure there are some teammates who see him as a leader, but compared to guys such as Russ, Brady, and others, Kyler leaves much to be desired.
Just today, Colin provided some anecdotes about the KM situation. He is directly connected to Steve Keim.
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