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Am I the only one who thinks the Hightower trade was premature? The risk of injury in preseason is very real, and Beanie has not exactly been the model of health. Lombardi even said during the NFLN cut-in that his upright running style and height make him more suspectible to big hits and injury than most running backs. Now with the loss of Ryan Williams, THT, who did manage to stay healthy for the most part, would come in mighty handy IMO.

At the very least shouldn't the Cardinals have hung on to THT until the END of preseason? Sure THT didn't have a great year last year, but I just wonder how much of it was due to the departure of his running backs coach to K.C.?
 

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Am I the only one who thinks the Hightower trade was premature? The risk of injury in preseason is very real, and Beanie has not exactly been the model of health. Lombardi even said during the NFLN cut-in that his upright running style and height make him more suspectible to big hits and injury than most running backs. Now with the loss of Ryan Williams, THT, who did manage to stay healthy for the most part, would come in mighty handy IMO.

At the very least shouldn't the Cardinals have hung on to THT until the END of preseason? Sure THT didn't have a great year last year, but I just wonder how much of it was due to the departure of his running backs coach to K.C.?
Lombardi is a tool. He was so transparent in the teams he likes. He couldn't say a bad thing about Cleveland and McCOY or Green Bay but it obvious he's not a fan of the Cards, Chiefs, or Dolphins. If you're going to be analyst on a national show, at least be objective.
 

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I wonder if Washington is going to get blown out tonight. :D

Tim had a 70yd TD run vs New Orleans in the playoffs and we lost 45-14 and then again last season he goes 80 against Atlanta and we lost 41-7.

The Cards are a strange franchise.

Yes, and in both games, once he broke off the big one, Whiz was pretty much finished running the ball.
 

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Some guy named Roy Helu is doing almost as well as Hightower. Are the Colts even trying?

Good point. It is still August, everybody.

I hope TH has a great season, but in January, there's going to be an enormous list of people tied for first place for yards gained on Friday nights.
 

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Timmy is a very solid running back who should only become better under the tutiledge of Mike Shannahan. First, Mike WILL see to it that Timmy gets to pack the ball for a reasonable number of carries, (not the paltry attempts to run that Whiz called here). Next, Shannahan WILL cure Timmy's fumblitis. No he won't set him on the pine after such an incident. He more than likely will put him right back into the game and give him the ball some more. Then, the next few practices, he will probably run him ragged, all the while sending tacklers to try to strip the ball away from Timmy. Eventually he will cure the problem that Whiz simply chose to punish Timmy for.
 

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Tim Hightower in Washington = Mike Anderson in Denver. Both were overachieving running backs that ran hard every play. Both were pretty versatile backs, and were coaches favorites. Neither lasted after they demonstrated they couldn't hold onto the ball.

Hightower will do well until he starts fumbling. Shanahan has no patience for it and will change running backs as soon as it happens. Also, keep in mind that teams don't game plan in the pre season, so players aren't' targeting him as a fumbler.

Good player + good system could work out though.
 

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Nothing new here. We trade or lose a RB and they tear it up for someone else. He had 58 yard run....he has 70 yards on 6 carries and a TD. Tonight.

First off when you take the one run out he avg about 2.2 yards per carry and lastly, he's not with us anymore and except when we play them I don't care what he does from here on out. He stunk the place out the last two years. IMO.
 

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Timmy is a very solid running back who should only become better under the tutiledge of Mike Shannahan. First, Mike WILL see to it that Timmy gets to pack the ball for a reasonable number of carries, (not the paltry attempts to run that Whiz called here). Next, Shannahan WILL cure Timmy's fumblitis. No he won't set him on the pine after such an incident. He more than likely will put him right back into the game and give him the ball some more. Then, the next few practices, he will probably run him ragged, all the while sending tacklers to try to strip the ball away from Timmy. Eventually he will cure the problem that Whiz simply chose to punish Timmy for.

This is exactly what will happen!!! And exactly what should have happened here. Whiz is an odd bird with this thing. Can you imagine if Adrian Peterson was drafted by Whis??
 

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First off when you take the one run out he avg about 2.2 yards per carry and lastly, he's not with us anymore and except when we play them I don't care what he does from here on out. He stunk the place out the last two years. IMO.

Well you must really be thrilled that Beanie is taking over then right???
 

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The Cardinals line sucks, there isn't a whole lot to it. Any RB will look better in Washington than here.
 

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I ran some numbers; take away all of his catches, and Fitz hasn't done anything spectacular. Why are we paying him $120 million?

This was quick napkin math, I may need to double check it.
 

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Timmy is a very solid running back who should only become better under the tutiledge of Mike Shannahan. First, Mike WILL see to it that Timmy gets to pack the ball for a reasonable number of carries, (not the paltry attempts to run that Whiz called here). Next, Shannahan WILL cure Timmy's fumblitis. No he won't set him on the pine after such an incident. He more than likely will put him right back into the game and give him the ball some more. Then, the next few practices, he will probably run him ragged, all the while sending tacklers to try to strip the ball away from Timmy. Eventually he will cure the problem that Whiz simply chose to punish Timmy for.

I cannot agree with any of that.

Shannahan will cure his fumbling problem ? Ok, what are the lotto numbers for tonight.

If you have a back that need 20+ carries to do anything in the NFL, then you don't have an NFL back. I don't know where this "backs need more carries" is coming from but in the modern day NFL, you have to do more with less. This league is a passing league, and there is no two ways about that. Look how many games that premeir back got 20+ carries and get back to me.

Finally, Whiz punished Hightower ? Tim Hightower is a professional football player, and on top of that he is grown man. It is HIS JOB to hold onto the football, and he was not doing HIS JOB. If Whiz sits the guy he is a tyrant, if he plays the guy he doesn't hold him to accountability. That is a no win situation, and a situation that if Hightower held onto the damn ball once and a while would not be brought up.

It is also unfair to Whiz to say he didn't stick with Hightower. For 3 years Whiz has been supporting Hightower, and tried to work through these fumbling problems. There is article after article in AZCARDINALS.COM documenting this. To say Whiz never put Hightower back in the game after a fumble is not true. Furthermore, there were always two backs in AZ while Hightower was in here. How fair is it to sit one of Hightowers competitors on the bench after he just screwed up ? Not very in my book.

This is the NFL. Professional football. Whiz's job is to discipline players who do not do theirs. If Whiz doesn't take Hightower out of the game then Whiz is not doing his job.

Plus Hightower had 1 year on his contact. Are we really going to pay a back who has a very average ypc, little to no ability to break tackles, and has fumbling issues a fat new contract ? I hope not.

Finally, not only did Hightower fumble a lot, but his turnovers were back-breaking. They killed, drives, momentum, and lost games for us.

If we are sorry sympathetic to player's feelings when they screw up, we should have never traded Kolb, and should be ragging on Whiz about how he is too much of a tyrant, and punnished Derek Anderson for his turnover problems right ?

Again, I find that statement to untrue, and unfair.

I liked Tim as a player, I really did. I suffered with the guy every time he coughed the ball up, because I was rooting for him so hard. But, he played his way out of AZ, IMO. Being one of his bigger supporters, I hit the end of my patience last year with him.

I hope him nothing but the best with the Broncos.
 
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Tim Hightower in Washington = Mike Anderson in Denver. Both were overachieving running backs that ran hard every play. Both were pretty versatile backs, and were coaches favorites. Neither lasted after they demonstrated they couldn't hold onto the ball.

Hightower will do well until he starts fumbling. Shanahan has no patience for it and will change running backs as soon as it happens. Also, keep in mind that teams don't game plan in the pre season, so players aren't' targeting him as a fumbler.

Good player + good system could work out though.

Shanahan has always taken good RB and made them look great, let me add Olandis Gary, Reuben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis...all good with Shanahan not as good in other systems so I'm not surprised that TH looks great
 

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Shanahan has always taken good RB and made them look great, let me add Olandis Gary, Reuben Droughns, Tatum Bell, Clinton Portis...all good with Shanahan not as good in other systems so I'm not surprised that TH looks great

Agreed and, of course, the dictionary picture example is Terrell Davis although he may have better than just good despite being just a 6th round draft choice.

THT gave the Cardinals three good years despite the fumbles. I'll never forget his critical first down in the Eagles playoff game. That was probably his greatest moment in a Cardinal uniform IMO.
 

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I cannot agree with any of that.

Shannahan will cure his fumbling problem ? Ok, what are the lotto numbers for tonight.

If you have a back that need 20+ carries to do anything in the NFL, then you don't have an NFL back. I don't know where this "backs need more carries" is coming from but in the modern day NFL, you have to do more with less. This league is a passing league, and there is no two ways about that. Look how many games that premeir back got 20+ carries and get back to me.

Finally, Whiz punished Hightower ? Tim Hightower is a professional football player, and on top of that he is grown man. It is HIS JOB to hold onto the football, and he was not doing HIS JOB. If Whiz sits the guy he is a tyrant, if he plays the guy he doesn't hold him to accountability. That is a no win situation, and a situation that if Hightower held onto the damn ball once and a while would not be brought up.

It is also unfair to Whiz to say he didn't stick with Hightower. For 3 years Whiz has been supporting Hightower, and tried to work through these fumbling problems. There is article after article in AZCARDINALS.COM documenting this. To say Whiz never put Hightower back in the game after a fumble is not true. Furthermore, there were always two backs in AZ while Hightower was in here. How fair is it to sit one of Hightowers competitors on the bench after he just screwed up ? Not very in my book.

This is the NFL. Professional football. Whiz's job is to discipline players who do not do theirs. If Whiz doesn't take Hightower out of the game then Whiz is not doing his job.

Plus Hightower had 1 year on his contact. Are we really going to pay a back who has a very average ypc, little to no ability to break tackles, and has fumbling issues a fat new contract ? I hope not.

Finally, not only did Hightower fumble a lot, but his turnovers were back-breaking. They killed, drives, momentum, and lost games for us.

If we are sorry sympathetic to player's feelings when they screw up, we should have never traded Kolb, and should be ragging on Whiz about how he is too much of a tyrant, and punnished Derek Anderson for his turnover problems right ?

Again, I find that statement to untrue, and unfair.

I liked Tim as a player, I really did. I suffered with the guy every time he coughed the ball up, because I was rooting for him so hard. But, he played his way out of AZ, IMO. Being one of his bigger supporters, I hit the end of my patience last year with him.

I hope him nothing but the best with the Broncos.

Excellent post, I agree with everything you said here.

Steve
 

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THT has by far outplayed his draft position. If he didn't have fumbling issues I highly doubt he is traded. I hope he runs all over the NFC East teams and our hate division rivals.

He had a Q like mentality in that he ran like his hair was on fire. Dang the torpedoes and full speed ahead. Tough as nails and gave it his all every play.

It's a shame he had the fumbling issues with us.

Arian Foster was an undrafted free agent. That's a guy who outplayed his draft position.

Tim Hightower was a 5th round draft pick who isn't good enough to start for a good team in the NFL. He's an average #2 back who can't catch the ball out of the backfield and fumbles constantly.

He performed exactly to his draft position.
 

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