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We get Amare back?

With JJ playing at such a high level, there are gunna be alot of open looks for both Marion & Amare. Pluss Barbosa sitting out at 3...

I cant weight to see the outcome.




I honestly think Camby & Oakfor would be the best 2 offseason moves for this team to become a contender.

PG- Vujanic, Barbosa
SG- Johnson, Barbosa
SF- Marion, Zarko
PF- Amare, Okafor,Lampe
C-- Camby, Okafor, Lampe


I dont think we will need KC, once Vujanic joins the team.

Okafor fills both backup PF & C, meaning we could use Jake as trade bait or White.


I am dreaming but this would be an Idea situation IMO.
 
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Originally posted by BEERZ
We get Amare back?

With JJ playing at such a high level, there are gunna be alot of open looks for both Marion & Amare. Pluss Barbosa sitting out at 3...

I cant weight to see the outcome.




I honestly think Camby & Oakfor would be the best 2 offseason moves for this team to become a contender.

PG- Vujanic, Barbosa
SG- Johnson, Barbosa
SF- Marion, Zarko
PF- Amare, Okafor,Lampe
C-- Camby, Okafor, Lampe


I dont think we will need KC, once Vujanic joins the team.

Okafor fills both backup PF & C, meaning we could use Jake as trade bait or White.


I am dreaming but this would be an Idea situation IMO.

So, who is KC? ....or, are you just trying to have a thread without mentioning "whats-his-name"?:D
 
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Re: Re: How good will we be when...

Originally posted by Wally
So, who is KC? ....or, are you just trying to have a thread without mentioning "whats-his-name"?:D
Jacobsen...
 

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Originally posted by BEERZ

I honestly think Camby & Oakfor would be the best 2 offseason moves for this team to become a contender.

PG- Vujanic, Barbosa
SG- Johnson, Barbosa
SF- Marion, Zarko
PF- Amare, Okafor,Lampe
C-- Camby, Okafor, Lampe

I dont think we will need KC, once Vujanic joins the team.

Okafor fills both backup PF & C, meaning we could use Jake as trade bait or White.

No way in the world do you trade Voskuhl. He is really cheap in comparison to what he does. Plus you are planning on having an injury prone player at center, backed up by an undersized rookie and a second year man who is 19 yaers old with minimal experience.

As a general rule, most teams have 5 guards, 2 SF and 5 inside guys. Typically, one or two of the guards can also play some SF and the SF players can play small ball at PF in a pinch.

The reason for this setup is to prepare for injuries. Right now the Suns have only four guards and one of them (CJ) is playing SF due to injuries. At the same time, against the Hawks the Suns had both of their centers foul out and had to use a 6'8" forward at the #5 position for a while.

None of this means that backup players cannot be traded. It just means that what you get in return had better be a significant improvement over what you have. The advantage of staying pat is that at least the playes know the system.
 

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I agree George. No way do you trade Voskuhl. He works hard every night and sets a good example of work ethic and heart (also at a very low price). In terms of the emotional makeup of a player I would want on this team... he represents it.

If every player played as hard as Jake, especially considering his limited talent, this team would be awesome.
 

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How good will they be when Amare Stoudemire returns, and Cabarkapa but gets healthy?

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Joe, the sky is the limit if the chemistry and coaching continues to develop.
 

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I don't think you trade Jake either. He has the fire and the intelligence to become the clubhouse leader on this team. We have alot of talent, but not alot of leadership. Jake seems to be taking that on. He is beginning to project a presence on the floor I haven't seen from him before.

I love the way bodies fly and opponents get angry whenever he's around.
 

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Jake is becoming one of my favorite players, and I think if he is able to cut down on the offensive fouls, he will be a very solid center. Many think he'll never be more than a backup, but he's a better starter than at least half the starting centers in this league.
 

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Shaq
Magoire
Ming
Divac
Camby
Rasho
Ratliff
Dalembert
Curry
Kwame
Dampier
Davis
O'Neal
Wright
Bosh
Okur
Z
Grant
LaFrentz

Those are definately better than Jake.

Kaman, Mutombo, Ostertag, Jerome James, Olowokandi, Skinner, Bardley... It is tough to say that Jake is really better than any of these.

Orlando is probably the only teams that would start Voshkul if they are at full strength.
 

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Originally posted by Mainstreet
Joe, the sky is the limit if the chemistry and coaching continues to develop.

The Suns don't really know what they have. The core of JJ, Shawn, and Amare should be enough to make them a competitive team. What really matters is whether the other young players develop as well as hoped:

Lampe - He has the size, athleticism, and skills to be a very good player. The question is "how good and when"? His skills are outside player skills, so he may play but not be the center the Suns need. What they hope is that he can be the kind of high post center that would get them a championship.

Barbosa - He is an amazing athlete and very unpolisihed. No one knows if he will ever be a first rate PG, but he will certainly play. If he develops the point guard skills to go with his athletic ability, the Suns could be a big factor.

Carbakapa - He has been injured or recovering from injury for most of his career in Phoenix, but in brief stretches he has looked very good. The main challenge he faces is to deal with the physical aspect of the game and to get strong enough to play defense. At minimum he will be fine backup player, but he has the ability to be much more than that.

Vujanic - He has been called the best guard in Europe. At minimum, his outside shooting ability should make him a valuable addition on a team that regularly gets zoned. It s not clear if he is any closer to being a full fledged point guard than Barobasa, but he will certainly play.

Jacobsen - Casey was drafted as a shooter, but lately his main role has been on defense. CJ's overall game keeps improving such as changing direction on his drives to the basket and even hitting short jumpers. He seems to be willing to work hard and this has shown up with his 4 to 5 rebounds a game over the past couple of weeks.

White - Jahidi is often mentioned as a candidate for trade or to be dumped for cap space. But his overall game keeps improving and he gives the Suns a level of toughness they have usually lacked. White has been in the NBA for a while, but has not been pushed to develop his skills. He needs to lose weight to become quicker, but he may have more potential than most people realize. For example, this season White averages more rebounds per minute than Dampier's career average (.316 to .272). At the age of 29, Dampier jumped from 6.6 rpg to 11.6 rpg in one year.

Voskuhl - If the Suns do upgrade the center position, Jake could be one of the best backup centers int he league right now. As he improves and maybe even gets some respect, he could be a key player on a championship team. His short jump shot is a huge addition to his pick and roll offense.

Overall, even without draft picks and FA's, the Suns look like a solid playoff team in as soon as they get healthy and a little more experienced. To get to the elite level, they will need more, but maybe not a huge amount.
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Shaq
Magoire
Ming
Divac
Camby
Rasho
Ratliff
Dalembert
Curry
Kwame
Dampier
Davis
O'Neal
Wright
Bosh
Okur
Z
Grant
LaFrentz

Those are definately better than Jake.

Kaman, Mutombo, Ostertag, Jerome James, Olowokandi, Skinner, Bardley... It is tough to say that Jake is really better than any of these.

Orlando is probably the only teams that would start Voshkul if they are at full strength.

Its true, Slin, Chap might have been overstating his case slightly. I don't think he was expecting someone to produce a list.

That said, I think underestimating Jakes value significantly.
 

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I love this scrappy way in which Jake Voskuhl plays, but there's no way he is better than half of the starting centers in the NBA. I still don't think he has the physical tools to be the starting center on a great team. I do think he could play quality minutes on a great team though.

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Originally posted by George O'Brien
The Suns don't really know what they have. The core of JJ, Shawn, and Amare should be enough to make them a competitive team. What really matters is whether the other young players develop as well as hoped:

Lampe - He has the size, athleticism, and skills to be a very good player. The question is "how good and when"? His skills are outside player skills, so he may play but not be the center the Suns need. What they hope is that he can be the kind of high post center that would get them a championship.

Barbosa - He is an amazing athlete and very unpolisihed. No one knows if he will ever be a first rate PG, but he will certainly play. If he develops the point guard skills to go with his athletic ability, the Suns could be a big factor.

Carbakapa - He has been injured or recovering from injury for most of his career in Phoenix, but in brief stretches he has looked very good. The main challenge he faces is to deal with the physical aspect of the game and to get strong enough to play defense. At minimum he will be fine backup player, but he has the ability to be much more than that.

Vujanic - He has been called the best guard in Europe. At minimum, his outside shooting ability should make him a valuable addition on a team that regularly gets zoned. It s not clear if he is any closer to being a full fledged point guard than Barobasa, but he will certainly play.

Jacobsen - Casey was drafted as a shooter, but lately his main role has been on defense. CJ's overall game keeps improving such as changing direction on his drives to the basket and even hitting short jumpers. He seems to be willing to work hard and this has shown up with his 4 to 5 rebounds a game over the past couple of weeks.

White - Jahidi is often mentioned as a candidate for trade or to be dumped for cap space. But his overall game keeps improving and he gives the Suns a level of toughness they have usually lacked. White has been in the NBA for a while, but has not been pushed to develop his skills. He needs to lose weight to become quicker, but he may have more potential than most people realize. For example, this season White averages more rebounds per minute than Dampier's career average (.316 to .272). At the age of 29, Dampier jumped from 6.6 rpg to 11.6 rpg in one year.

Voskuhl - If the Suns do upgrade the center position, Jake could be one of the best backup centers int he league right now. As he improves and maybe even gets some respect, he could be a key player on a championship team. His short jump shot is a huge addition to his pick and roll offense.

Overall, even without draft picks and FA's, the Suns look like a solid playoff team in as soon as they get healthy and a little more experienced. To get to the elite level, they will need more, but maybe not a huge amount.

Nice Post :thumbup:
 

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Some of these guys are PF's such as J O'Neal, Kwame
and Bosh; but I agree with the notion that Voskuhl is not really an upper level center. That is why I am so concerned about finding a real starting center.
 

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Could Dice be the Suns Center? I am not sure how much money he would be willing to take but, I am thinking he would be a nice fit at C or a good bench peice for the right amount.
 

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Originally posted by SweetD
Could Dice be the Suns Center? I am not sure how much money he would be willing to take but, I am thinking he would be a nice fit at C or a good bench peice for the right amount.

This is too speculative to worry about.

1. No one knows if he will ever be healthy enough to play.
2. No one knows if what it would cost to re-sign him if he can play.
3. No one knows if he could play center if he was healthy.

:confused:
 

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I think the Phoenix Suns will probably be totally content to let Antonio McDyess and his gimpy legs walk away this summer.
 

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They would be content to let him walk, but if they think they can take advantage of his injury history to sign good vet backup cheap, they might do it.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I think the Phoenix Suns will probably be totally content to let Antonio McDyess and his gimpy legs walk away this summer.

Assuming he CAN walk. :D
 

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Originally posted by slinslin
Shaq
Magoire
Ming
Divac
Camby
Rasho
Ratliff
Dalembert
Curry
Kwame
Dampier
Davis
O'Neal
Wright
Bosh
Okur
Z
Grant
LaFrentz

Those are definately better than Jake.

Kaman, Mutombo, Ostertag, Jerome James, Olowokandi, Skinner, Bardley... It is tough to say that Jake is really better than any of these.

Orlando is probably the only teams that would start Voshkul if they are at full strength.

Well, outside of being a complete and utter jerk about it (what else is new), there can be good arguements for several of those guys--specifically, Grant, LaFrentz, Okur, Wright, Dalembert and Divac.
 

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Originally posted by Joe Mama
I love this scrappy way in which Jake Voskuhl plays, but there's no way he is better than half of the starting centers in the NBA. I still don't think he has the physical tools to be the starting center on a great team. I do think he could play quality minutes on a great team though.

Joe Mama

It's funny how people still actually think that "good" starting centers actually exist. A good 75% of slin's list are power forwards.
 

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Originally posted by Chaplin
It's funny how people still actually think that "good" starting centers actually exist. A good 75% of slin's list are power forwards.

Not quite, but several should be like Camby and Grant.

Some of the confusion has to do when a guy plays center on offense and PF on defense and vice versa. A high post center with a low post PF makes it hard to figure out which is center.
 

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