How Great is the 2017 draft class?

[Mainstreet]

It's fun to watch Karnowski, the center from Gonzaga. He is listed at 7'1", 300 pounds. Surprisingly he is fairly agile.

 

[Mainstreet]

Zack Collins of Gonzaga is helping his draft stock with 14 points, 13 rebounds and 6 blocks.

Gonzaga wins 77- 73 over South Carolina.

 

[SunsTzu]

Despite all the talk and excitement at the top of the draft the guy I really like is OG Anunoby. Obviously the Suns aren't going to be using whatever pick they get at the top of the draft on him, but I'd still love it if they found a way to get him on draft night.

 

[Mainstreet]

Despite all the talk and excitement at the top of the draft the guy I really like is OG Anunoby. Obviously the Suns aren't going to be using whatever pick they get at the top of the draft on him, but I'd still love it if they found a way to get him on draft night.

There is always the chance for a trade down. Anything can happen.

DraftExpress reported he had a possible apparent ACL tear in January? He probably does not last to #33 though.

 

[Mainstreet]

I'm liking Justin Jackson of North Carolina a lot. He should be a good NBA player providing he can hit the 3 point shot. Right now he is projected to go #12 by the DraftExpress Mock.

 

[Mainstreet]

It seems like Jackson heard me and he is currently 4-7 from 3 point range.

 

[slinslin]

Jordan Bell impressed me a lot, would love to grab him at 33.

 

[overseascardfan]

There are a lot of talented bigs that will go in the mid to late first round.

Zach Collins
John Collins
Johnathan Motley
Ivan Rabb
Jarrett Allen

 

[Mainstreet]

Jordan Bell impressed me a lot, would love to grab him at 33.

There is a good chance he will be there. I wouldn't mind drafting him one bit.

The player I'm starting to like is Justin Jackson. He looks ready to play. If the Suns look to trade down to any extent, he might be a player to look at. DraftExpress has him rated #12th in their mock. I'm not sure why he didn't come out earlier unless he needed to improve his 3 point shooting, which he has.

 

[GatorAZ]

Really hoping for either Fultz or Tatum.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Really hoping for either Fultz or Tatum.

If Fultz is their Suns have to take him. But they need a PF, Dudley can not play next year as a PF. Suns have to draft or sign a back up for Chriss

 

[Mainstreet]

If Fultz is their Suns have to take him. But they need a PF, Dudley can not play next year as a PF. Suns have to draft or sign a back up for Chriss

Dudley is under contract for two more years. I'm not sure where the Suns play him if not at PF.

 

[SirStefan32]

If Fultz is their Suns have to take him. But they need a PF, Dudley can not play next year as a PF. Suns have to draft or sign a back up for Chriss

What else is Dudley going to play? He is too slow to play 3, so there isn't much else he can play. Ahead of him in the rotation though, we should have Bender as well. Warren can play some minutes at the 4 as well, especially if the Suns draft Jackson.

 

[Carolinacacti]

Dudley is to slow to play the 4.

 

[Mainstreet]

Dudley is to slow to play the 4.

Dudley is too slow period.

He is alright as a bench player. What else are the Suns going to do with him unless they include him in a trade.

Edit: Dudley just hit two 3 point shots while I wrote this. He heard you.

 

[Mainstreet]

What else is Dudley going to play? He is too slow to play 3, so there isn't much else he can play. Ahead of him in the rotation though, we should have Bender as well. Warren can play some minutes at the 4 as well, especially if the Suns draft Jackson.

Actually Dudley played alright tonight with 15 points, 9 rebounds and 3 steals. I won't mention shooting percentage. He moves slow but he got there tonight.

 

[slinslin]

I am shocked that people still like Anuoby. Stayed in college, was only a mid first to lare lottery last year. Still a non-existant offensive player and a serious injury now.

 

[slinslin]

If Fultz is their Suns have to take him. But they need a PF, Dudley can not play next year as a PF. Suns have to draft or sign a back up for Chriss

PF is very low on the "need" priority unless you plan on playing without a center.

 

[slinslin]

per 100 posessions

Player A
29.7ppg 13.4rpg 5.4apg 3.1spg 1.9bpg 5topg 110.7ortg 96.0drtg 55.9%TS 55.2%eFG 54.9%2s 37.8%3s 56.6%FT 4.7 3PA 9.0FTA 13.3%TRB 18.2%AST 3.1%STL 27.2%USG 4.9WS 5.1 OBPM 5.6 DBPM 10.7 BPM

Spoiler

Josh Jackson, Kansas
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-jackson-2.html

Player B
29.1ppg 13.7rpg 3.5apg 3.2spg 0.8bpg 4.6topg 111.2 ortg 87.6drtg 55.1%TS 50.1%eFG 47.8%2s 37.1%3s 74.2%FT 6.5 3PA 9.9FTA 14.1%TRB 11.6%AST 3.2%STL 26.6%USG 5.7WS 4.8 OBPM 5.4 DBPM 10.2BPM

Spoiler

Stanley Johnson, Arizona
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/stanley-johnson-1.html

 

[3rdside]

Not sure where you're getting your stats from but these two aren't really comparable afaict?

For a small data set the assists and points numbers are worlds apart and that's a big deal, plus player A is an inch taller.

Player A any day of the week (and totally cool with him on draft day).


http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/josh-jackson-2.html

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/stanley-johnson-1.html

 

[3rdside]

I get it - per 100 possessions...

Either way, Jackson averages >50% more assists even going by the 100 poss stats and that is still a big gap.

Like last time with the Ball / Fultz comparison, you can possibly tell more by the raw per game stats.

 

[JCSunsfan]

PF is very low on the "need" priority unless you plan on playing without a center.

I agree. We have Chriss, Bender, and Warren who all can play that spot. Even Sauce can play it in a pinch.

 

[JCSunsfan]

OK. Someone tell me why Fultz is not a mirage. 25 college games is such a small sample size to know for sure who he is. I do not want to build a case for or against, just want a true picture of who he is.

I am thinking that if the pick is not top 3, trading would be a possibility.

 

[Russ Smith]

OK. Someone tell me why Fultz is not a mirage. 25 college games is such a small sample size to know for sure who he is. I do not want to build a case for or against, just want a true picture of who he is.

I am thinking that if the pick is not top 3, trading would be a possibility.

He's a very good scorer. He can pass the ball, he's certainly not a selfish player but he's a scoring guard who can play PG not a PG who can score.

He was a horrible defender in college but that's somewhat easy to defend on a bad team, it isn't easy to play good defense on a bad team and get no reward it's easy to just be a bad defender.

Really good 3 point shooter from college range, and has a variety of finishing moves inside.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Arguments for Ball? He is two inches taller, looks like a better defender, better passer and facilitator, more cerebral.