How Great is the 2017 draft class?

[CardsSunsDbacks]

I have seen a Jackson comparison to Winslow. While I believe Jackson is longer and more athletic their college stats are nearly identical. Curious what someone with a little more knowledge of both of them in college thinks about that comparison.

 

[hcsilla]

I have seen a Jackson comparison to Winslow. While I believe Jackson is longer and more athletic their college stats are nearly identical. Curious what someone with a little more knowledge of both of them in college thinks about that comparison.

Winslow is definitely a comparison for Jackson that comes to anyone's mind regarding their body type/movement/athleticism.

However, Jackson is longer, more versatile and polished than Winslow was in college.

So, he seems a rich man's Winslow which is not a bad thing at all.

 

[Phrazbit]

All I can remember about his brother is that he commented on twitter. Totally different from Lavar Ball.

And Fitz father occassionally voiced his opinion when Fitz was already in the league, but it was like a once every few years story. Lavar Ball is putting himself out there every day.

And worst since the moment UCLA lost Lonzo Ball has been on national TV alongside his father on multiple programs while his father makes ridiculous statements. Yesterday claiming that Lonzo Ball will win at least 6 championships.

Part of it is the media fascination over his antics. That will fade.

 

[Cheesebeef]

Part of it is the media fascination over his antics. That will fade.

agreed.

 

[sunsfan88]

It's pretty amazing that Fultz at 6'4 has the same wingspan as Jackson does at 6'8. At least according to DX anyway.

 

[sunsfan88]

agreed.

The media fascination will get even bigger once that kid a pro athlete. If his dad continues to spout off the same nonsense like he does now, he will get his own ESPN page and the team and the kid will be left answering questions about what his dad said all season long.

 

[slinslin]

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[Russ Smith]

Part of it is the media fascination over his antics. That will fade.

A big part of it IMO is ESPN is dying and they're doing anything they can to try and drum up viewers and Lavar is eating it up.

 

[Russ Smith]

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Said the guy who sat out the end of the season because his "knee hurt. "

While the other guy was playing with his mom in the hospital a jammed thumb, a bruised side from a hard fall, and then tweaked his hamstring in the first half and stayed in.

Yep that Fultz is just "about that action", or inaction.

Great player, terrible comeback after sitting out so much.

 

[slinslin]

You have no idea about what was going on there, pure speculation. You dont know what Washington wanted or what Fultz wanted or what doctors thought.

Plus their season was over, it would be an incredibly stupid move by Fultz and Washibgton to play even at 1000% for the risk that the projected #1 pick could suffer a career ending injury.

Also the mother situation is not exactly something that makes Lonzo look good.

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

I would love to be rooting for either side of that rivalry, to be honest.

 

[Mainstreet]

You have no idea about what was going on there, pure speculation. You dont know what Washington wanted or what Fultz wanted or what doctors thought.

Plus their season was over, it would be an incredibly stupid move by Fultz and Washibgton to play even at 1000% for the risk that the projected #1 pick could suffer a career ending injury.

Also the mother situation is not exactly something that makes Lonzo look good.

This is what concerns me. Was Fultz sitting out because of the injury or the draft? Both would bother me. I don't remember college freshman shutting it down for the draft. And if he was sitting because of injury, this raises questions as well.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

This is what concerns me. Was Fultz sitting out because of the injury or the draft? Both would bother me. I don't remember college freshman shutting it down for the draft. And if he was sitting because of injury, this raises questions as well.

Combo of both? Maybe he had a relatively minor injury and didn't play the last few games to avoid risking making it worse before the draft?

 

[JCSunsfan]

This is what concerns me. Was Fultz sitting out because of the injury or the draft? Both would bother me. I don't remember college freshman shutting it down for the draft. And if he was sitting because of injury, this raises questions as well.

Their season was over. Maybe he had a slight injury. So he goes out and does not play as well because he is injured, or he aggravates the injury. Millions of dollars at stake. Sitting is a wise thing to do given the circumstances.

If his team was actually competing for something, that is a different matter.

 

[sunsfan88]

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Gosh this kid will struggle in the NBA with that weird ass looking jumper. Even some of the greatest in the NBA are making fun of it already.

 

[JCSunsfan]

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Gosh this kid will struggle in the NBA with that weird ass looking jumper. Even some of the greatest in the NBA are making fun of it already.

I think the funniest thing is that LeBron is making them!

 

[Mainstreet]

Their season was over. Maybe he had a slight injury. So he goes out and does not play as well because he is injured, or he aggravates the injury. Millions of dollars at stake. Sitting is a wise thing to do given the circumstances.

If his team was actually competing for something, that is a different matter.

Millions of dollars may be at stake but I think it is ridiculous a freshman is being shut down before the draft. He appears to have been flying below the radar in high school. If he is actually injured, this is a different thing. He missed 6 out of the last 8 college games. I think this would raise some red flags.

It's been a rapid ascension for Fultz, going from being an overlooked high school player to a potential top pick in the NBA draft. Fultz plays with a deliberate pace and is a true point guard -- but with the temperament to be an explosive athlete and scorer.

The year went far from expected. Washington suffered its worst record under Romar. Fultz missed six of the final eight games of the season because of his sore right knee, raising concerns there could be a long-term issue that could have an impact on his NBA status.

Despite the injury, Fultz had moments that wowed. He scored 30 or more points in three straight games in conference play, including a season-best 37 points and eight assists in an overtime win over Colorado. Fultz nearly had a triple-double against Washington State and led Washington in scoring in 20 of his 25 games.

If I were an NBA team I would want a larger body of work to look at before bestowing him the #1 pick in the draft. Certainly I would want to know the reason and severity of the sore right knee. Also he needs to be worked out against good opponents prior to the draft.

I'm not saying I don't like the player but I do not view him as an automatic lock for the first pick.

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/ncb/id/18874356

 

[Mainstreet]

Combo of both? Maybe he had a relatively minor injury and didn't play the last few games to avoid risking making it worse before the draft?

This could be correct.

I guess I want to see a player play unless he is injured. If he is injured and he never recovers from the injury to play again in college, this concerns me. If he is worried about making it worse before the draft, then I worry some more.

If the Suns should draft him then I feel any questions have been cleared up. I'm not down on him as a player.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Millions of dollars may be at stake but I think it is ridiculous a freshman is being shut down before the draft. He appears to have been flying below the radar in high school. If he is actually injured, this is a different thing. He missed 6 out of the last 8 college games. I think this would raise some red flags.





If I were an NBA team I would want a larger body of work to look at before bestowing him the #1 pick in the draft. Certainly I would want to know the reason and severity of the sore right knee. Also he needs to be worked out against good opponents prior to the draft.

I'm not saying I don't like the player but I do not view him as an automatic lock for the first pick.

http://www.espn.com/espn/wire/_/section/ncb/id/18874356

This is certainly fair.

 

[ASUCHRIS]

After his performance in last year's Finals, I can no longer question James's greatness as a basketball player. But he's still a king-sized douche and a terrible role model.

Ridiculous. In all of sports, its harder to find a better role model than Lebron. He's NEVER been in trouble in spite of being under the most intense spotlight from high school on. He is married to the mother of his children and speaks out on social issues. He plays his ass off, works hard on both ends, and is extremely unselfish.

I know "The Decision" was obviously a terrible choice, but what else is there really to criticize?

 

[sunsfan88]

One thing that when it comes to Fultz that people are overlooking is that he's a humble, underrated kid. Players like that are gonna have a chip on their shoulder to prove everyone else wrong.

On the other hand, a player like Lonzo Ball's hunger might not be as much since his dad has hyped him so much and he went to a big basketball school and all that.

 

[CardsSunsDbacks]

Ridiculous. In all of sports, its harder to find a better role model than Lebron. He's NEVER been in trouble in spite of being under the most intense spotlight from high school on. He is married to the mother of his children and speaks out on social issues. He plays his ass off, works hard on both ends, and is extremely unselfish.

I know "The Decision" was obviously a terrible choice, but what else is there really to criticize?

Pretty much this. Outside of "the decision" I really don't understand the hate he gets.

 

[elindholm]

Ridiculous. In all of sports, its harder to find a better role model than Lebron. He's NEVER been in trouble in spite of being under the most intense spotlight from high school on. He is married to the mother of his children and speaks out on social issues. He plays his ass off, works hard on both ends, and is extremely unselfish.

I know "The Decision" was obviously a terrible choice, but what else is there really to criticize?

I agree that "terrible role model" was an overstatement. But everything he does traces back, conspicuously, to his incessant self-promotion. He can't be happy for a teammate who hits a game-winning shot; instead, it's "I'm proud that I did the right things so that he could be in a position to succeed." The charity publicity I've see has been consistent with that frame of mind as well. There's a difference between doing good in order to do good, and doing good so that you can boast to the world, "Look how good I am!"

 

[sunsfan88]

Isn't it kind of funny that not a single player from any of the remaining final 4 teams is projected to even be a top 10 pick in this year's draft?

Shows you how much winning matters in the NCAA and yet when they get drafted into the NBA, there's an immense pressure on winning for these 19 and 20 year olds.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Isn't it kind of funny that not a single player from any of the remaining final 4 teams is projected to even be a top 10 pick in this year's draft?

Shows you how much winning matters in the NCAA and yet when they get drafted into the NBA, there's an immense pressure on winning for these 19 and 20 year olds.

Its all about the immaturity of the "one and done's".