How Great is the 2017 draft class?

[JCSunsfan]

I think Sun fans can agree that the Suns need some defense, Enforcer? Trade the high pick for two mid-round picks. Josh Jackson stock fell in my draft.

Why?

 

[Carolinacacti]

Free throws. big game and he missed one by a foot........

 

[ColdPickleNachos]

Free throws. big game and he missed one by a foot........

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Trading a high first rounder for two mid-first rounders would be horrible value. College freshman will have flaws and they will make mistakes. Passing up on a top pick in this draft would make me feel worse than Lebron did after he airballed this free throw in a clutch situation.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

I can't understand why people on this board think trading NBA draft picks is ANYTHING like trading NFL draft picks. The trades in NBA are much rarer, particularly at the top (yes they happen, but not nearly every year) and volume of picks rarely equates to moving up. In fact, the whole moving up or moving down is really an NFL thing.

 

[BC867]

Well, since no one else is trying. Played for the Celtics, Dodgers and Cubs, and drafted by the Chicago Bears. Also the first NBA player to shatter a backboard.

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I knew that Chuck Connors played 1B in the Brooklyn Dodgers organization for the Montreal Royals, their top farm team. But I didn't know that he played for the Celtics. And I did know that baseball's Gene Conley, a pitcher on the Boston Braves, was a backup Center on the Celtics. OK, now I'll google Connors.

Edit: Chuck did play in one game for the Dodgers, but a few for the Cubs.

 

[JCSunsfan]

http://www.thasportsjunkies101.com/lonzo-ball-top-pick/

Oh boy. Slin is going to love this article.

Seriously. I would love to see what some of you think of it. I still think Fultz and Ball are close.

 

[pokerface]

http://www.thasportsjunkies101.com/lonzo-ball-top-pick/

Oh boy. Slin is going to love this article.

Seriously. I would love to see what some of you think of it. I still think Fultz and Ball are close.

That was interesting...

Ohhh slinnnn ....We need your input on this!

 

[3rdside]

Timing.

Was thinking overnight my statement that I'd prefer the #2 pick assuming that fultz will go #1 so we can get ball and avoid having to choose between the two if we got the #1...I basically came round to the view that I want #1 and would take Ball there regardless....this article probably confirms as much even though the PnR numbers are worrying.

Surely though there's no rule that says you have to PnR in the NBA? Wouldn't you just adjust your offence to suit your style?


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[sunsfan88]

I'm sure there are or gonna be a dozen articles on why Fultz is way better than Lonzo too. If I wasn't so lazy to do a simple google search, I'd find one right now and post it.

Btw that article doesn't spend enough time talking about the distraction that Lonzo and his pathetic excuse for a father Lavar will be for the team that drafts him. The only team that they will be happy with is the Lakers since the kid's from near LA or else their gonna find a way to force their kid to LA.

 

[3rdside]

I'm sure there are or gonna be a dozen articles on why Fultz is way better than Lonzo too. If I wasn't so lazy to do a simple google search, I'd find one right now and post it.

Btw that article doesn't spend enough time talking about the distraction that Lonzo and his pathetic excuse for a father Lavar will be for the team that drafts him. The only team that they will be happy with is the Lakers since the kid's from near LA or else their gonna find a way to force their kid to LA.

At some point one has to nail their opinion to a mast (did I mention the NBA Draft Power Rankings game lol?).

I think I'm just about there with Ball.

And there's this take on Lavar:

http://www.foxsports.com/watch/the-herd-with-colin-cowherd/video/907424835840

 

[slinslin]

Colin Cowherd is the Sean Hannity of sports. None of what he thinks, says or writes should be taken seriously.

 

[3rdside]

I get the impression you're the Sean Hannity of this board.

 

[JCSunsfan]

Colin Cowherd is the Sean Hannity of sports. None of what he thinks, says or writes should be taken seriously.

Well Slin, I agree with you in this one. Cowherd is an idiot. I have no problem with LaVar Ball pressuring his kids. I have a problem with him shooting off his big mouth to the media, making his kids success about himself, ripping his kids high school coach in front of the team, trying to gather the team to himself and coach it behind the back of th real coach, trying to cash in on his kids career, disrespecting the greats of basketball, making generally stupid claims, and so much more.

Cowherd is a master at creating a ridiculous straw man argument.

 

[JCSunsfan]

LaVar Ball is a huge distraction. But I would take the best player regardless of who his parents are.

 

[3rdside]

Well Slin, I agree with you in this one. Cowherd is an idiot. I have no problem with LaVar Ball pressuring his kids. I have a problem with him shooting off his big mouth to the media, making his kids success about himself, ripping his kids high school coach in front of the team, trying to gather the team to himself and coach it behind the back of th real coach, trying to cash in on his kids career, disrespecting the greats of basketball, making generally stupid claims, and so much more.

Cowherd is a master at creating a ridiculous straw man argument.

I don't disagree with your views on Cowherd generally, but on this one he makes a valid point.

That being said, the concern with Lavar is that he is too overbearing and that Lonzo is intimidated by him a little and that his character will be affected by this, and not in a good way.

Maybe he grows out of it once he's away from his Dad.

Assuming Lavar hasn't overstepped the mark with his son - and that is a big assumption because I sense the slightly nervous nature of Lonzo - then I have no problem with Lavar.

I don't know if you've seen the documentary Trophy Kids (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3231100/) but it's a great insight into sporting kids and their parents. The basketball and football dads are literally unbelievable (but then so are parts of the USA as I'm witnessing with Trump and co!).

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Fitz is a good example of not letting ridiculous family impact his performance and importance to the team. With some distance and age I expect Lonzo will do the same.

 

[3rdside]

fitz?

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

fitz?

Football analogy. Larry Fitzgerald has an outspoken father and ridiculous brother. It made no impact on his career.

 

[slinslin]

Football analogy. Larry Fitzgerald has an outspoken father and ridiculous brother. It made no impact on his career.

They were no where near as ridiculous as Lavar Ball is.

Lavar Ball is on television every day already and Lonzo is not even drafted.

Fitzgerald father occasionally gave interviews.

 

[Ouchie-Z-Clown]

Fitz

They were no where near as ridiculous as Lavar Ball is.

Lavar Ball is on television every day already and Lonzo is not even drafted.

Fitzgerald father occasionally gave interviews.

fitz's father and brother repeatedly bashed the cardinals told them they didn't know how to use Fitz repeatedly hinted that he was to going to force a move to Minnesota, bashed their qbs. It was as stupid as most of what LeVar says, but a dad saying stupid stuff is no big deal. A dad that has sway over a sons actions is a bigger deal. The Fitz family said dumb thins but Fitz was always the consummate professional. I see nothing from lonzo to make me think he waony be a good teammate. In fact, it's a savvy father like Archie manning that's a greater concern. He DID effectively sway the chargers to trade the draft rights to Eli. That's the type of father/son combo that merits concern.

 

[hsandhu]

There has been talk about tatum not having explosiveness, watching here you can see how quick his step can be and he has very strong handles and a long strides to get by defenders.

Maybe the perceived lack of explosiveness has to do with a lot of standing around when he doesnt have the ball? I know when I watched duke games live, you notice that he doesn't move with out the ball and takes time to make move when he gets the ball.

You see now refined he is for someone who just turned 19, I would be surprised if doesnt at least get to joe johnson in his prime, and that may be the floor.

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[slinslin]

Tatum is a 3 who could play 4 in the league.

Johnson was a 3 who could play 2 in the league.

I don't really see that comparison. I think Tatum is more like Danny Granger, Paul George, Antawn Jamison mix.

 

[slinslin]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobi-Simmons-7247/

With the Raptors pick at #53? DX has him at #51 currently.

I'd say we need a 3rd string PG wether we draft a PG with our top pick or not. Three free agent market for PGs is non-existant, with the best alternative bringing back Price or acquiring a throw in PG in a trade.

Could be stashed in the D-League also. As far as I know NBA roster size will be increased (to 18?) so that teams can hold multiple D-Leauge players.

 

[slinslin]

Fitz

fitz's father and brother repeatedly bashed the cardinals told them they didn't know how to use Fitz repeatedly hinted that he was to going to force a move to Minnesota, bashed their qbs. It was as stupid as most of what LeVar says, but a dad saying stupid stuff is no big deal. A dad that has sway over a sons actions is a bigger deal. The Fitz family said dumb thins but Fitz was always the consummate professional. I see nothing from lonzo to make me think he waony be a good teammate. In fact, it's a savvy father like Archie manning that's a greater concern. He DID effectively sway the chargers to trade the draft rights to Eli. That's the type of father/son combo that merits concern.

All I can remember about his brother is that he commented on twitter. Totally different from Lavar Ball.

And Fitz father occassionally voiced his opinion when Fitz was already in the league, but it was like a once every few years story. Lavar Ball is putting himself out there every day.

And worst since the moment UCLA lost Lonzo Ball has been on national TV alongside his father on multiple programs while his father makes ridiculous statements. Yesterday claiming that Lonzo Ball will win at least 6 championships.

 

[Russ Smith]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Kobi-Simmons-7247/

With the Raptors pick at #53? DX has him at #51 currently.

I'd say we need a 3rd string PG wether we draft a PG with our top pick or not. Three free agent market for PGs is non-existant, with the best alternative bringing back Price or acquiring a throw in PG in a trade.

Could be stashed in the D-League also. As far as I know NBA roster size will be increased (to 18?) so that teams can hold multiple D-Leauge players.

Simmons is not a PG though. He's a freak athlete, he improved shooting this year but his release is still low, he's a push shooter. He's a guy that's very inconsistent, one game he looks like a lottery pick the next game an undrafted player. He really should stay in college but he's apparently declaring today.